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12 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

I shouldn't be surprised at such breathtaking ignorance, but I am. 

 

The famous builders (imperialists -oh and raaaacccists too) of the British Empire tended to be educated in the Classics.  They did not assume that civilization could be built on a chemistry degree, important as the latter has proven to be.

I suppose such ignorance of the classical roots of modern European civilization is just par for the course for hermetically-sealed Remainer minds.

 

As a ps, I would add that study of Latin, a hugely important source of the English language (and other European languages) would undoubtedly help to stem the tide of ignorance that has finally brought us to text messaging as the finest flower of our civilization.

The education to which you refer was a ‘liberal arts’ education in which Greek and Latin were/are components.

 

The purpose of learning these languages was not any intrinsic value of the languages themselves (though they are handy for crossword puzzles( but to enable reading the Classical Greek and Roman texts.

 

On the basis of what you post, I’m not convinced you’d support the wider application of a ‘liberal arts education’.

 

There’s a reason it is maintained in the UK’s top public schools while almost entirely expunged from the nation’s state schools.

 

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17 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

She has a doctorate in physics.

The title of Angela Merkel's dissertation was: "Investigation of the mechanism of decay reactions with simple bond breaking and calculation of their rate constants on the basis of quantum chemical and statistical methods". In her doctoral thesis, Merkel examined the influence of spatial correlation in bimolecular elementary reactions in dense media and received the rating "very good". With her doctor thesis, Merkel contributed to research in the field of statistical and physical chemistry at the Central Institute for Isotope and Radiation Research.

 

 

Pleased to hear that she has such a Doctorate because she didn't get one based on common sense in the real world.

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6 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

As a scientist she was very successful. A dissertation in physics is extremely difficult in the field of natural sciences. The basic physics research forms the basis, among other things, also for the rocket technology.

 

Your Flat-headed polemic does not help.

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17 minutes ago, tomacht8 said:

As a scientist she was very successful. A dissertation in physics is extremely difficult in the field of natural sciences. The basic physics research forms the basis, among other things, also for the rocket technology.

 

Your Flat-headed polemic does not help.

I hope one day someone will explain how humour works, too subtle for you was it?

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7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I can.

 

And I don’t have a degree in Classics, from Oxford or anywhere else.

 

Though I’be often considered it as a nice way to spend some time and money,

 

7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I can.

 

And I don’t have a degree in Classics, from Oxford or anywhere else.

 

Though I’be often considered it as a nice way to spend some time and money,

 

So? 

 

My 12 year old is teaching herself Korean - writing and speaking and communicates with Korean friends. In addition to learning English, Thai and Chinese at school.

 

But she isn't yet first, masters of doctors degree standard. And will only be so, academically, after studying at that level.

 

Are you suggesting education isn't important?

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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The education to which you refer was a ‘liberal arts’ education in which Greek and Latin were/are components.

 

The purpose of learning these languages was not any intrinsic value of the languages themselves (though they are handy for crossword puzzles( but to enable reading the Classical Greek and Roman texts.

 

On the basis of what you post, I’m not convinced you’d support the wider application of a ‘liberal arts education’.

 

There’s a reason it is maintained in the UK’s top public schools while almost entirely expunged from the nation’s state schools.

 

 

Regarding your last sentence. And why do you believe it is?

 

Interestingly, if you check, you'll find that many many of Britain's "socialists" enjoyed public school educations, and make sure their offspring do to. They don't send their children to the fantastic equal for all state schools they and their party created. Even though, amazingly, some would be hard pressed to explain how they financed it. But of course, never seem to get challenged!

 

Preparation for university is the aim of public schools. Delivering what the state deem acceptable is unfortunately the aim of many state schools.

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32 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Possibly.

 

What's really funny is holding sessions to establish suitable candidates for the top EU executive job - then ignore all the applicants and appoint someone who didn't go through the process; who cheated on her PhD; whose defense department is undergoing investigation for corruption and dodgy defense contracts.

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1. Article 17 of the Treaty on European Union, as amended by the Treaty of Lisbon, lays out the procedure for appointing the President and their team. The European Council votes by qualified majority for a nominee for the post of President, taking account of the latest European elections. This proposal is then put before Parliament which must approve or veto the appointment. If an absolute majority of MEPs support the nominee, they are elected. The President then, together with the Council, puts forward their team to the Parliament to be scrutinised. The Parliament normally insists that each one of them appear before the parliamentary committee that corresponds to their prospective portfolio for a public hearing. The Parliament then votes on the Commission as a whole; if approved, the European Council, acting by a qualified majority, appoints the President and their team to office.

 

2. UVL no cheated in her PhD.

The dissertation revealed clear deficiencies in the introduction. "Specifically, it is about errors in the form of the adoption of foreign text passages, without correctly marking the original authors." But: "In the central part of the dissertation, no deficiencies were found." And from the point of view of the university, this part seems to be more important than the mistakes in the introduction: "The results of the dissertation were scientifically new, valid and of practical relevance," says Baum.

 

In addition, neither the Commission nor the Senate of the College of the Minister would suggest a deception intention. UVL has made different mistakes (sometimes called a wrong source, sometimes none) but according to the Commission did not want to deceive.

She made mistakes but did not deliberately cheated.

 

3. Basically, all armament orders are checked for corroption. This is systemically justified and is not specific to UVL.

 

if you look at it all in detail, it's not funny anymore.

 

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1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

 

So? 

 

My 12 year old is teaching herself Korean - writing and speaking and communicates with Korean friends. In addition to learning English, Thai and Chinese at school.

 

But she isn't yet first, masters of doctors degree standard. And will only be so, academically, after studying at that level.

 

Are you suggesting education isn't important?

Not at all.

 

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Nothing wrong with the UK economy or the EU's for that matter. The problem is uncertainty and the markets hate that. When the UK decides it's path and the EU's future can be seen for the next 5 years, then all this drama will dissipate and the markets will be happy and stop acting like children.

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6 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

Predictions are the Lib Dems will win

 

The poll suggests that the Liberal Democrats are on 43% ahead of the Tories (28%), the Brexit Party (20%) and Labour (8%). The Greens and Plaid Cymru did not stand. The poll of 509 adults was conducted online between the 10th and 18th of July and the election will be held on 1 August. In 2017, the Liberal Democrats finished second in the seat – on 29% while Labour finished third on 17%.

 

So, again one seat less for Boris

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16 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

She has a doctorate in physics.

The title of Angela Merkel's dissertation was: "Investigation of the mechanism of decay reactions with simple bond breaking and calculation of their rate constants on the basis of quantum chemical and statistical methods". In her doctoral thesis, Merkel examined the influence of spatial correlation in bimolecular elementary reactions in dense media and received the rating "very good". With her doctor thesis, Merkel contributed to research in the field of statistical and physical chemistry at the Central Institute for Isotope and Radiation Research.

I didn't even understand the title, perhaps it would have helped if I could read ancient Greek.

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6 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I should be surprised at such breathtaking ignorance, but I am not!

 

English is a Germanic language, descended from the West Germanic branch (As opposed to the Nordic languages in the North Germanic branch) through Anglo-Frisian. Latin is part of a totally different group, the Italic language group which includes Italian, French, Romansch, Spanish and Portuguese. Latin per se has never been a source of the English Language, apart from a few words and place names left behind by the Romans. The Italic influence on English as spoken today comes through French largely in the Middle Ages. As for "other European languages", they are part of the Germanic, Slavic, Baltic, Celtic, Hellenic groups, or "Outliers" like Armenian. None of these are derived from Latin.

 

You may say that we (And other European countries) "Built" our empires, but what we really did was send our gunboats round the world to steal other peoples land and turn them into 2nd class citizens in their own countries. The Israelis have copied us well. 

 

Kindly check your mind for hermetic sealants!! (Yes hermetic does come from Latin as every plumber know).

 

ps You couldn't get a Chemistry degree in the days of Empire building, it hadn't been invented, I guess you were speaking figuratively.

 

Anglo-Norman, which the Battle of Hastings brought us, is not a Latinate language then?  

Hm, one learns something new every day.  Clearly you are not in the habit of combing the OED now and again to see which words are from Latin and which from the mongrel variety of European languages that you mention.

It might open your mind, thus reducing the need for sealant...

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6 minutes ago, blazes said:

 

Anglo-Norman, which the Battle of Hastings brought us, is not a Latinate language then?  

Hm, one learns something new every day.  Clearly you are not in the habit of combing the OED now and again to see which words are from Latin and which from the mongrel variety of European languages that you mention.

It might open your mind, thus reducing the need for sealant...

I’ll wager there are more words in the British English language that are directly derived from Indian languages than from Latin.

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2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ll wager there are more words in the British English language that are directly derived from Indian languages than from Latin.

The two most languages inherited are Germanic and French. Germanic meaning Danes, Norse and even Dutch and French is a Latin based language.

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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’ll wager there are more words in the British English language that are directly derived from Indian languages than from Latin.

 

Wager?55555555555555555555

 

I'll wager a fiver, Chomper, that you are the first, the very first, poochai on Thai Visa to have used the word "wager"....but at least we give you full credit for using a truly Anglo-Saxon verb.

All is forgiven, Chomps.  We love you. all of us.

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3 hours ago, blazes said:

 

Anglo-Norman, which the Battle of Hastings brought us, is not a Latinate language then?  

Hm, one learns something new every day.  Clearly you are not in the habit of combing the OED now and again to see which words are from Latin and which from the mongrel variety of European languages that you mention.

It might open your mind, thus reducing the need for sealant...

Well briefly before this diversion is put to bed. The Angles Saxons and Jutes arrived mainly in the 5th century AD, and established the English language over 500 years before 1066. Then the Normans bought French, (And their foul feudal system) which they, then comprising the upper class continued to speak, but the big majority of ordinary britons kept speaking English. Gradually over the next 300years the speaking of French died out, but not before it had added a very large amount of French (Not Latin BTW) vocabulary to the English which we still speak. So our language is still basically a Germanic language whether you like it or not. 

I will grant you it is a fairly complicated matter, but check this from an Historian:- https://blocs.mesvilaweb.cat/Subirats/?p=58896

To describe other non Italic Indo-European languages as a mongrel variety, is just horribly and unjustifiably pompous. Their origins are older in many cases than Latin. Do languages only become non-mongrel when taught to snotty little toffs in English public schools? 

 

However back to the main subject whatever languages he speaks. A Tory voter apparently said this recently  

“I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I’m almost beginning to feel nostalgic for Theresa May’s blundering incompetence – at least she wanted the job for the job’s sake, rather than to feed her ego. Seriously, everyone needs to calm down. What’s the worst that could happen?

I think everyone is overreacting. It’s not like there is any sort of precedent for a nation, electing a blond philandering gaffe-prone New York-born racist, and narcissistic  anti-establishment candidate, who went on to make the nation his own personal plaything and a global laughing stock."

.............................."Oh.......... Sh#t.”

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On 7/27/2019 at 6:49 AM, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes same gloom and doom peddling since the Brexit referendum. The UK would lose 900,000 thousand jobs and everyone would be living in cardboard boxes. Whilst back from La la land everyone knows that there is record low level of unemployment and things are not as bad, no matter how much the doom and gloomers, keep wanting us to believe.

 

Typical Reuters rhetoric. Brexit crises. It was the UK are leaving Europe the other day. Obviously not many at Reuters went to school and did geography or they all really believe that the EU is Europe. More probably they just like to publish lies for their EU masters, like the BBC.

 

Unemployment figures are hard statistical data. Surveys from business people are filed with maybe, possible, could  be, might happen.

Yes let's go to the most reliable source for our data - The Daily Express  - Brexit has saved the old thunderer - just when joe public was getting tired of Diana and Madeleine conspiracies out comes the Excess and it's  tawdry sister tit-central The Star to stir the pool of Brexit ignorance. I note one of the first policies Boris healined was tax cuts for the rich - so it's boss Desmond  pornographer in chief (who can forget Asian Babes - the only good thing he ever published) will be considerably richer than thou. Keep drinking the BoJo kool-aid and enjoy your measly baht whilst you can. That said good news if we get out for some - looks like our kettles will be safe under BoJo - but that wouldn't affect me I use a Nespresso capsule coffee maker - proper Remainer drink. 

 

Image result for daily express brexit

 

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6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Yes let's go to the most reliable source for our data - The Daily Express  - Brexit has saved the old thunderer - just when joe public was getting tired of Diana and Madeleine conspiracies. I note one of the first policies Boris healined was tax cuts for the rich. Keep drinking the BoJo kool-aid and enjoy your measly baht whilst you can. 

I have to say you are one of the most bitter posters here. Have you lost some money. Personally when i lived and worked in Thailand the pound depreciating was great for me I saved more. Down form 75 Baht to the pound to 42. Now I live and work overseas (for now) I am doing Okay but I would take any hit to be rid of the corrupt EU.

 

I am not selfish. It is not about what baht to pound exchange rate it is now for me. It is a bigger picture. This is something many remainers and Europeans 'seem to jump on', all the time.

 

We were conned into joining the EU, it hasn't worked for the UK and we had a democratic referendum, and the majority voted leave.

 

Except democracy or you sound like a bitter poster for selfish personal reasons.

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2 hours ago, blazes said:

 

Wager?55555555555555555555

 

I'll wager a fiver, Chomper, that you are the first, the very first, poochai on Thai Visa to have used the word "wager"....but at least we give you full credit for using a truly Anglo-Saxon verb.

All is forgiven, Chomps.  We love you. all of us.

He probably had to go on a 10 week intensive British Englsh' course because we all know different.

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18 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I have to say you are one of the most bitter posters here. Have you lost some money. Personally when i lived and worked in Thailand the pound depreciating was great for me I saved more. Down form 75 Baht to the pound to 42. Now I live and work overseas (for now) I am doing Okay but I would take any hit to be rid of the corrupt EU.

 

I am not selfish. It is not about what baht to pound exchange rate it is now for me. It is a bigger picture. This is something many remainers and Europeans 'seem to jump on', all the time.

 

We were conned into joining the EU, it hasn't worked for the UK and we had a democratic referendum, and the majority voted leave.

 

Except democracy or you sound like a bitter poster for selfish personal reasons.

Yes I have lost money but then I had plenty to lose. But that's irrelevant we are are committing and act of great national harm for nothing- what's not to be bitter about. Anyway as a fervent Express reader you should know the answer who killed Diana ? Nigel Garvie awarded me post of the day yesterday and there wasn't an ounce of bitterness in there just cogent analysis not copied from elsewhere. Ta Nigel keep up the good work. 

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By the way your Brexit Hero BoJo 'serial philanderer' Johnson wants to have an amnesty for half a million illegal immigrants and guarantee unilaterally permanent residency for the 3.2 EU citizens already here which May never did.  Which is the right and fair thing to do (for Farage's ex wife) .....I hope you will all join in my support for this truly liberal measure. 

 

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36 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I have to say you are one of the most bitter posters here. Have you lost some money. Personally when i lived and worked in Thailand the pound depreciating was great for me I saved more. Down form 75 Baht to the pound to 42. Now I live and work overseas (for now) I am doing Okay but I would take any hit to be rid of the corrupt EU.

 

I am not selfish. It is not about what baht to pound exchange rate it is now for me. It is a bigger picture. This is something many remainers and Europeans 'seem to jump on', all the time.

 

We were conned into joining the EU, it hasn't worked for the UK and we had a democratic referendum, and the majority voted leave.

 

Except democracy or you sound like a bitter poster for selfish personal reasons.

Since I have put him on ignore I find I need less councilling.

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3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Since I have put him on ignore I find I need less councilling.

Good I ignore no-one. LG I suggest you follow Vogie's wise words. I have too much time on my hands and keep threatening to get off this thread but Grouse and TebBe seem to have gone so Nigel , Chomper and other unsung heros need the likes and support. 

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