just been turned down for my married extension

[Jonah Tenner]

12 hours ago, dayo202 said:

No IO said because my O imm visa was processed and approved in jomtien I couldn't renew

in  pathum thani, IO told my wife it don't matter what extension  I was going to apply for.

As you I had my original O non-imm from Jomtien last year. Moved to Roi Et this winter. Got my retirement extention renewed in Roi Et last month, no problem (30 minutes).

[dayo202]

10 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

Does your yellow house registration book show that you are living at an address in Pathum Thani?

 

 

yes

[dayo202]

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

Yes, even the OP is speculating.

Maybe the OP can answer the question as to whether the specific reason for his refusal was because he used an agent previous.

the IO was very concerned and the IO was thinking a agent was involved for my O imm in pattaya.

There was two reason the IO spoke to my wife about.

1. IO wanted proof of my stay in pattaya by a rent agreement or a TM30 slip, I didn't have any proof  because the agent sorted everything for me, I just handed the agent my passport and he did his magic etc...  

2. when jomtien issued my NON 0 imm visa the date was 19 jun 2018 and the date of my retirement extension was issued the date was 25  jun 2018 with a expiry date 16th Sept 2019 pathum thani immigration wanted to know why only 6 days between my NON 0 imm visa and retirement extension being issued.

pathum thani immigration now want me to cancel my NON 0 imm by me doing a broader run, and getting a fresh me NON 0 imm based on marriage in laos Vientiane.

 

Edited August 3, 2019 by dayo202
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[from the home of CC]

6 minutes ago, dayo202 said:

the IO was very concerned and the IO was thinking a agent was involved for my O imm in pattaya.

There was two reason the IO spoke to my wife about.

1. IO wanted proof of my stay in pattaya by a rent agreement or a TM30 slip, I didn't have any proof  because the agent sorted everything for me, I just handed the agent my passport and he did his magic etc...  

2. when jomtien issued my NON 0 imm visa the date was 19 jun 2018 and the date of my retirement extension was issued the date was 25  jun 2018 with a expiry date 16th Sept 2019 pathum thani immigration wanted to know why only 6 days between my NON 0 imm visa and retirement extension being issued.

pathum thani immigration now want me to cancel my NON 0 imm by me doing a broader run, and getting a fresh me NON 0 imm based on marriage in laos Vientiane.

 

imo he wants you to start over because if he continues on with the existing visa he's complicit. Not allowing the continuation with an obvious illegal act, doesn't surprise me in the least that he's protecting himself. Financial auditing will be a new tool also and if the banks are compelled to assist investigation you can kiss this agent scam goodbye.  

[Isaanbiker]

5 hours ago, glegolo said:

Yeah that is the cost and the resulat of using "agents" down in the human swamp of Jomtien/Pattaya. I guess the IO;s in P. Thani preferable do NOT want to even come near extensions done by these f:ng agents and their counterpoart IO;s in J/Pattaya....

 

Lesson learned I guess?? Or??

 

glegolo

It doesn't look like he's learned anything. 

 

 

[Isaanbiker]

21 minutes ago, dayo202 said:

the IO was very concerned and the IO was thinking a agent was involved for my O imm in pattaya.

There was two reason the IO spoke to my wife about.

1. IO wanted proof of my stay in pattaya by a rent agreement or a TM30 slip, I didn't have any proof  because the agent sorted everything for me, I just handed the agent my passport and he did his magic etc...  

2. when jomtien issued my NON 0 imm visa the date was 19 jun 2018 and the date of my retirement extension was issued the date was 25  jun 2018 with a expiry date 16th Sept 2019 pathum thani immigration wanted to know why only 6 days between my NON 0 imm visa and retirement extension being issued.

pathum thani immigration now want me to cancel my NON 0 imm by me doing a broader run, and getting a fresh me NON 0 imm based on marriage in laos Vientiane.

 

pathum thani immigration now want me to cancel my NON 0 imm by me doing a broader run, and getting a fresh me NON 0 imm based on marriage in laos Vientiane.

 

How can Pathumthani immigration tell you that you have to go to Vientiane? Why not Savannakhet? Are you closer to Vientiane? 

[dayo202]

1 minute ago, Isaanbiker said:

pathum thani immigration now want me to cancel my NON 0 imm by me doing a broader run, and getting a fresh me NON 0 imm based on marriage in laos Vientiane.

 

How can Pathumthani immigration tell you that you have to go to Vientiane? Why not Savannakhet? Are you closer to Vientiane? 

IO just said I need to leave Thailand, IO just happened to say Vientiane don't really matter where.

 

[dayo202]

9 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

It doesn't look like he's learned anything. 

 

 

I have 

[glegolo]

3 hours ago, Don Mega said:

Thanks, so I assume you are just talking shit then.

Post no; 93...........

quote:

2. when jomtien issued my NON 0 imm visa the date was 19 jun 2018 and the date of my retirement extension was issued the date was 25  jun 2018 with a expiry date 16th Sept 2019 pathum thani immigration wanted to know why only 6 days between my NON 0 imm visa and retirement extension being issued.

pathum thani immigration now want me to cancel my NON 0 imm by me doing a broader run, and getting a fresh me NON 0 imm based on marriage in laos Vientiane.

unquote

 

You have quit down I guess now,,,

 

glegolo

Edited August 3, 2019 by glegolo

[jacko45k]

16 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

imo he wants you to start over because if he continues on with the existing visa he's complicit. Not allowing the continuation with an obvious illegal act, doesn't surprise me in the least that he's protecting himself. Financial auditing will be a new tool also and if the banks are compelled to assist investigation you can kiss this agent scam goodbye.  

IMO you are wrong, I see some knucklehead IO that believes the extension should match the reason the original Non-Imm-O was issued on. There was a past post on this issue, which may well have been the same office (can't remember can't find it). He may, as UJ suggested, also want to push the OP into getting a retirement extension, as it is easier to process. 

All the rest is fantasy, agents aren't going to be purged, they cover too many car payments.

[jacko45k]

6 minutes ago, glegolo said:

Post no; 93...........

quote:

2. when jomtien issued my NON 0 imm visa the date was 19 jun 2018 and the date of my retirement extension was issued the date was 25  jun 2018 with a expiry date 16th Sept 2019 pathum thani immigration wanted to know why only 6 days between my NON 0 imm visa and retirement extension being issued.

pathum thani immigration now want me to cancel my NON 0 imm by me doing a broader run, and getting a fresh me NON 0 imm based on marriage in laos Vientiane.

unquote

 

You have quit down I guess now,,,

 

glegolo

That is interesting, missed that post while responding to earlier one. An obvious answer is the money was already seasoned and the guy needed to leave Thailand for 3 months, but more important is that Phatum Thani looked in such detail, and their suspicions were aroused. Hmm, not such a nuckle head!

[smedly]

3 hours ago, sumrit said:

No. he's not. 

 

My mate was offered a back hand extension directly from an IO in Jomtien 3-4 years ago on his first ever visit to Thailand. He refused the offer and did thing 'legally'. But the offer was to change his 30 day exempt to a 90 day non O, then give him a 12 month retirement extension and a multi re-entry permit, all for 15k and completed in about three days.

 

Even without other 'anomalies', He couldn't open a bank account before he arrived here so it was impossible for him to have seasoned the 800K baht for three months. The process he was offered had to be illegal for that reason alone.

The only part of what you describe (that wasn't legal) was not having the funds in the bank, there is no stamp in the passport stating this, I would also assume there is nothing in the system that states it either

 

The OP's system record and passport are exactly the same as anyone's that didn't use an agent, so unless this information was provided by the OP I don't see how the IO was aware - except ………………….…...

 

The only way an IO could detect some issue (agent use) would be to look at a banking history around the date of previous extension, it would be pretty obvious that the previous financial requirements were not met

[Tanoshi]

12 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

He may, as UJ suggested, also want to push the OP into getting a retirement extension, as it is easier to process. 

If your married to a Thai and show less than 800K, they have no option other than to process an extension based on marriage.

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, smedly said:

The only way an IO could detect some issue (agent use) would be to look at a banking history around the date of previous extension, it would be pretty obvious that the previous financial requirements were not met

There would not be bank book copies going back 2 months (previously 3) as I am required to submit.

[from the home of CC]

3 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

IMO you are wrong, I see some knucklehead IO that believes the extension should match the reason the original Non-Imm-O was issued on. There was a past post on this issue, which may well have been the same office (can't remember can't find it). He may, as UJ suggested, also want to push the OP into getting a retirement extension, as it is easier to process. 

All the rest is fantasy, agents aren't going to be purged, they cover too many car payments.

the IO was very concerned and the IO was thinking a agent was involved for my O imm in pattaya.

There was two reason the IO spoke to my wife about.

1. IO wanted proof of my stay in pattaya by a rent agreement or a TM30 slip, I didn't have any proof  because the agent sorted everything for me, I just handed the agent my passport and he did his magic etc...  

2. when jomtien issued my NON 0 imm visa the date was 19 jun 2018 and the date of my retirement extension was issued the date was 25  jun 2018 with a expiry date 16th Sept 2019 pathum thani immigration wanted to know why only 6 days between my NON 0 imm visa and retirement extension being issued.

pathum thani immigration now want me to cancel my NON 0 imm by me doing a broader run, and getting a fresh me NON 0 imm based on marriage in laos Vientiane.

 

Actually the reason is above (from the OP). So IMO you are wrong, it's the scam dates that raised the red flag and rightfully too. The 'fantasy' imo is that people are continuing to count on corruption to keep them living here. And like every change that has happened in the last few years, when first reported many said 'it'll never happen" lol. It's a matter of time when some a**hole foreigner uses this scam to stay here and commits a serious crime and during the investigation it all comes out how he scammed to stay here. Problem is that all of us that do things legally get painted by all that don't..

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

If your married to a Thai and show less than 800K, they have no option other than to process an extension based on marriage.

I would expect them to see what was written on the TM7 first. If you do not have the 800k, there are options.

[Tanoshi]

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

The OP's system record and passport are exactly the same as anyone's that didn't use an agent, so unless this information was provided by the OP I don't see how the IO was aware - except

No there not.

A Non O and extension are dated within days of issue of each other when using an agent.

An obvious pointer to any IO an agent was used.

 

Under normal circumstances, the Non O would be issued, then the extension issued at least 2 months later after the 2 month seasoning period had elapsed.

[jacko45k]

11 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

the IO was very concerned and the IO was thinking a agent was involved for my O imm in pattaya. <snip to make space>

You make a good point. Did Big Jok get posted to Phatum Thani?????

Edited August 3, 2019 by jacko45k

[Tanoshi]

5 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

I would expect them to see what was written on the TM7 first. If you do not have the 800k, there are options.

Why would I need other options if married and have the 400K.

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:

Why would I need other options if married and have the 400K.

A whole new topic, but the reasons should be clear.

[from the home of CC]

6 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

You make a good point. Did Big Jok get posted to Phatum Thani?????

not my point, came from the OP

[smedly]

1 hour ago, dayo202 said:

2. when jomtien issued my NON 0 imm visa the date was 19 jun 2018 and the date of my retirement extension was issued the date was 25  jun 2018 with a expiry date 16th Sept 2019 pathum thani immigration wanted to know why only 6 days between my NON 0 imm visa and retirement extension being issued.

it is up to you when you apply for an extension during the validity of a 90 day Visa - you might have wanted to apply early because you were leaving the country 

 

Provided you had the seasoned funds 2 months prior to the extension application then it matters not a jot, granted most people wait until the last 30 days of the 90 days because they have the seasoned funds by then

 

The only way an IO will know you used an agent is to check you bank records around the date of your last extension - it would be very obvious you didn't meet the required financials

[smedly]

22 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

There would not be bank book copies going back 2 months (previously 3) as I am required to submit.

you lost me with that one

[Tanoshi]

4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

A whole new topic, but the reasons should be clear.

Only if I don't have the funds or the marriage isn't de jure and de facto.

 

Of course it's easier for the IO to process a retirement extension because his decision isn't questioned.

Marriage extensions have to be approved by regional office and it's no more difficult for the IO to process other than for retirement, other than the fact if he screws the documentation up he's going to get a rollicking from above. That's their fear.

 

I gave 3 reason for the change.

1. I'm now married and should have the extension for my situation.

2. No longer have 800K (a lie)

3. I may possible accept employment and want a work permit (another lie).

 

They can't really argue with that, despite what may suit them.

[Mavideol]

14 hours ago, dayo202 said:

loi, 2 days and 1 night in laos Vientiane/

full package going to cost me 8000B

 

look at the good side, heard the girls are prettier there

[jacko45k]

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

you lost me with that one

An IO may have access to the last extension paperwork. A retirement ext done by an agent would not have the bankbook copies I submit confirming the seasoning. 

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, Tanoshi said:

Only if I don't have the funds or the marriage isn't de jure and de facto.

Or I don't want to supply private pics and have these goons round the house scrounging!

[Tanoshi]

10 minutes ago, smedly said:

it is up to you when you apply for an extension during the validity of a 90 day Visa - you might have wanted to apply early because you were leaving the country 

Read the OP.

He entered on a 30 day VE entry.

[smedly]

2 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Read the OP.

He entered on a 30 day VE entry.

yes and he converted to a type O and then it was extended 

 

Like I said there is no rule that states it must be done in the last 30 days of the 90 - if there is show it to me otherwise stop making stupid arguments - we deal in fact here 

[Tanoshi]

1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

Or I don't want to supply private pics and have these goons round the house scrounging!

The photos are suitable for posting on any site, nothing personal about them.

 

The goons spent less than 10 minutes outside the house, only wanting to take a couple of pictures with our two required witnesses. (First extension only).

As a sociable person they were offered a coffee and biscuits, but declined the offer.