UK election must not delay Brexit from October 31 - Javid

[Loiner]

On the contrary - our new 'Brexit' government is led by people who voted against Theresa May's Brexit deal agreed with Europe.  In that case, whom can we trust to get an acceptable deal?  Traitors, or the opposition?  Given that Boris voted against a deal acceptable to the Conservative government, it seems like Hobson's Choice.  Good on you, Boris. Boris the Lad can anything
It seems like a stark choice.  
 
 

On the contrary to your contrary. Treasonous Theresa’s deal was a Surrender Treaty, nicknamed BRINO, which could have shackled us to the EU for ever. She was and still is a traitor, as are all Remainers. The opposition are also acting as traitors in not supporting Brexit, purely in their own political interests.
If no one can get an acceptable deal, then No Deal is more than acceptable.

[Loiner]

You're lucky you're not British. 

I can't see a better deal than May's going through, so as I see it, it's May's deal or no Brexit.  That's why we appoint a government.

We are also lucky he’s not British. Most Remainers have shown to be not really British, no matter what puce coloured passport somebody gave then. I revel in their embarrassment and cringing.

It’s already not May’s Deal three times, so No Deal, not no Brexit.

[Loiner]

On the contrary; the go ernment's Brexit plans were undermined by hard brexiteers who voted against the govenrment.  Admit responsibiltiy,  It was the hard brexiteers that prevented brexit.

On the contrary, the govt’s (May and the rest) plans were to trick us into BRINO.
Admit the truth, the ERG saved us from subjugation. I hope they are coming again soon with the cavalry.

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

We are also lucky he’s not British. Most Remainers have shown to be not really British, no matter what puce coloured passport somebody gave then. I revel in their embarrassment and cringing.

It’s already not May’s Deal three times, so No Deal, not no Brexit.

Oi Mr Loiner I am British strong and proud and European too. We are not leaving on October 31st (and collect 2000 baht from Malagateddy)  and then we will get rid of Boris and co. And hopefully our sites will be on getting rid of Brexit itself. 

[Loiner]

Oi Mr Loiner I am British strong and proud and European too. We are not leaving on October 31st (and collect 2000 baht from Malagateddy)  and then we will get rid of Boris and co. And hopefully our sites will be on getting rid of Brexit itself. 

More of a servile crawling apologist I would have thought. There will be a few more twists and turns before 31st October.
I hope Malagateddy is getting the beers in.

[welovesundaysatspace]

5 hours ago, sanemax said:

It has been the EU

The EU doesn’t have a say in the UK leaving. Get your facts right. 

 

5 hours ago, sanemax said:

and the remainers who have prevented what the people of the UK voted for

The people of the UK voted for the current parliament to represent them. That’s not being prevented as we can see at the moment. You can’t overturn parliamentary representative democracy with a paper tiger advisory referendum. 

[StreetCowboy]

5 hours ago, Loiner said:

On the contrary to your contrary. Treasonous Theresa’s deal was a Surrender Treaty, nicknamed BRINO, which could have shackled us to the EU for ever. She was and still is a traitor, as are all Remainers. The opposition are also acting as traitors in not supporting Brexit, purely in their own political interests.
If no one can get an acceptable deal, then No Deal is more than acceptable.

Maintain whatever fantasy you want in order to pretend that you are the victim.  Your Boris betrayed Brexit, and now it is gone.  It was not the Remainers who stabbed you in the back, it was not they who let you you down and betrayed your trust for their own personal gain.

[DannyCarlton]

8 hours ago, Scot123 said:

Do you think so? We the people do not want a deal, we want out. We are starting to see them panic about an election as they know they are finished, they lied to their constituents and betrayed their party. No EU gravy train job for them. Roll on the election. 

"We the people" 555. "We" the minority of people. please don't talk as if you represent the majority in the UK....you don't.

 

True, they lied before the referendum, "An extra 350m/week for the NHS" 555, "The withdrawal agreement will be the easiest deal ever" 555, "We'll negotiate a deal that is of net benefit to the UK" 555.

 

Yes, drain the swamp, kick Johnson and the ERG into the long grass.

[alanrchase]

8 hours ago, Scot123 said:

We the people are the over 17 million who voted to leave the EU. Cameron said if you vote leave and no deal then we leave under world trade rules. We voted to leave and we want to leave. Is that simple enough. Those treasonous MPs were all voted in on the ticket carrying out leave. They lied so please explain who they are representing because it is not the people who voted for them or their party. Watch this space. Its not over by a long shot. 

You talk as though Cameron promised to leave under WTO rules if there was no deal. He was warning people that trading under WTO rules could be the end result of voting leave. Of course, the leave campaigns just labeled that as more project fear as it would never happen. 

[David in the north]

I can still see the idea of  a Common Market being a good one.

I voted for it in 1974 (or 1975) but as is becoming normal - we were lied to. No mention of a United States of Europe, EU army & so on & so forth. I just cannot understand how British people can tolerate the idea of the country being ruled by foreign, overpaid troughers in Brussels.

Edited September 6, 2019 by David in the north

[Baerboxer]

15 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Such a shame you and your no deal brexiteer buddies didn’t think about that when you controlled parliament and your no dealers were sabotaging the only current deal on offer.  

 

That time of control has passed and you no longer have the numbers to achieve your aims. 

 

Talk all you want about what must happen, but you don’t call the shots anymore and parliament has you by the short and curlies and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. 

 

May must be laughing herself sick right now. 

 

There's little doubt Boris, Javid and the other vegetables are aiming for a no-deal exit. That was the only way they could get the backers they needed to get the PM role. No doubt parliament as a whole are making the mess they created even worse with little sign of that changing.

 

But there's also no doubt that the deal May "negotiated" was absolutely <deleted> and no one would accept such a one sided lopsided agreement.

 

The EU took advantage of a weak PM who selected a poor team. If they don't want to recognize that too there is no chance of a deal.

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

There's little doubt Boris, Javid and the other vegetables are aiming for a no-deal exit. That was the only way they could get the backers they needed to get the PM role. No doubt parliament as a whole are making the mess they created even worse with little sign of that changing.

 

But there's also no doubt that the deal May "negotiated" was absolutely <deleted> and no one would accept such a one sided lopsided agreement.

 

The EU took advantage of a weak PM who selected a poor team. If they don't want to recognize that too there is no chance of a deal.

Whatever view someone may have on may’s deal or brexit itself, does not change the fact that the current debacle is entirely upon the no deal minority. 

 

johnson has also shown the most base form of hypocrisy by expelling 21 mps for doing exactly what he did. 

Edited September 6, 2019 by Bluespunk

[transam]

12 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Cannot reply to this......I should but I won't....Be pointless.....????

[billd766]

13 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

We which people? We you people, or we other people.  Luckily, we elect parliament to look after our interests on a continuous basis, and our government agreed an exit deal with Europe.  Sadly, that was sabotaged, and now it looks like Brexit will never happen.  Ask Boris how that happened.

You should really be asking Teresa May what happened over the last 3 years and not Boris.

 

There was an agreement between 27 member countries of the EU, actually the negotiators of the exit deal but there was NOT an agreement with the 28th country which of course the UK. Teresa May was doing the "negotiating for the UK and brought back a deal.

 

She tried to get it ratified 3 times in parliament and failed each time so there was NO agreement signed by the UK no matter which way you try to twist or distort the facts. It actually took here and the Remainer cabinet 3 years to screw Brexit up into the FUBAR mode.

 

IMHO at the next general election there will be a massive clear out and de-selection, both at Tory Party level and also at constituency level as many of the local constituencies may not accept candidates foisted on them by the party level officials.

 

I don't think that the Labour party will be much better off either.

[billd766]

13 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

On the contrary; it wa the Brexiteers who stabbed our Prime Minister in the back.  Our Prime Minister negotiated with Europe on good faith, to be betrayed by the hard liners in her her party, who now find themselves powerless in the face of the parliamentary democracy they now seek to undermine.

 

Hoist by their own petard, as I think they say in Europe....

I am sure that I remember Teresa May saying that she would take the UK out of the EU and that a no deal was better than a bad deal. I can't be bothered to scroll back through all the memes to find them and most people are sick of them anyway.

 

Please explain how Boris stabbed Teresa May in the back and how all the hard liners forced parliament to abandon her deal, and while you are at it can you please explain how much input the leaver MPs have had over the past 3 years.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Cannot reply to this......I should but I won't....Be pointless.....????

Just ignore him. I have for a while now.

[dunroaming]

15 hours ago, Scot123 said:

Do you think so? We the people do not want a deal, we want out. We are starting to see them panic about an election as they know they are finished, they lied to their constituents and betrayed their party. No EU gravy train job for them. Roll on the election. 

This is somewhat the nub of the problem.  When you say "We the people" what you mean is "I".  We all use "the people" when we are giving our view but actually the country is split.  Some of the people want a deal and a soft Brexit, some want to remain and some want out with no deal.  So respectfully, don't think you speak for "the people", you may speak for some of the people but not for me or anyone I know.  Just the same as I don't speak for you.

 

I do agree though that we should have a general election when the time is right.  Johnson and his thugs (never thought I would refer to Jacob Rees Mogg  as a thug ????) took on parliament and were beaten.  Now the other parties will decide when it is best to have that election. 

[joecoolfrog]

19 hours ago, Scot123 said:

Do you think so? The treasonous traitors are now sh@ting themselves and the prospect of an election scares them as most lied to their constitutes about supporting the will of the people. The people are angry, very angry. No EU gravy train job awaits them now. Roll on the election. Clear our swamp. 

The traitors are those who have pushed for no deal regardless of the consequencies.

[joecoolfrog]

19 hours ago, Scot123 said:

Do you think so? We the people do not want a deal, we want out. We are starting to see them panic about an election as they know they are finished, they lied to their constituents and betrayed their party. No EU gravy train job for them. Roll on the election. 

Check the polls , a considerable majority of the electorate is AGAINST no deal , you are either misinformed or delusional.

[beautifulthailand99]

5 hours ago, transam said:

What on earth are you talking about, are you OK, are you alone...?

Thanks for the concern , yes I'm fine and yes I'm alone...my wife doesn't put up with keyboard clacking when there are household chores to be done. Keeps me away from pornhub hey !

[kingdong]

22 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Such a shame you and your no deal brexiteer buddies didn’t think about that when you controlled parliament and your no dealers were sabotaging the only current deal on offer.  

 

That time of control has passed and you no longer have the numbers to achieve your aims. 

 

Talk all you want about what must happen, but you don’t call the shots anymore and parliament has you by the short and curlies and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. 

 

May must be laughing herself sick right now. 

It was you and remained rabble including pm May who prevented any deal being made.

[joecoolfrog]

19 hours ago, Scot123 said:

Because they were Remainer MP's who lied to their leave constitutes and got elected then went straight back to remainer mode. Their consstituants demanded them to resign but they have no morals. We need new laws in the UK that when you change your mandate you resign and hold a bi election and when you get kicked out your party or leave then there is a bi election called. These MP's know they now stand no chance of re-election now. I personally think they thought Boris would not make good on his threat and call an election. They were wrong. Its going to be a landslide victory for the Brexot party and the leave MP's. The people are very angry. 

Absolute rubbish , a complete and utter fabrication. It was the Tory Brexiters ( Euro reform group ) who voted down Mrs Mays deal , basicly because they wanted no deal.

Its a matter of public record and some of us warned that it might mean the end of Brexit. If you want to appoint  blame then examine the evidence , dont simply lie in order to confirm your bias.

Edited September 6, 2019 by joecoolfrog

[joecoolfrog]

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

It was you and remained rabble including pm May who prevented any deal being made.

Not true but if it makes you feel better then stay in denial. It was Rees - Mogg and co who sabotaged the Brexit deal.

Ironic that the arch Brexiters are to blame for perhaps no Brexit at all but thats arrogance and greed for you.

Edited September 6, 2019 by joecoolfrog

[kingdong]

3 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Absolute rubbish , a complete and utter fabrication. It was the Tory Brexiters ( Euro reform group ) who voted down Mrs Mays deal , basicly because they wanted no deal.

Its a matter of public record and some of us warned that it might mean the end of Brexit. If you want to appoint  blame then examine the evidence , dont simply lie in order to confirm your bias.

It wasn,t a deal it was a scheme that would have kept us on forever.

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

Not true but if it makes you feel better then stay in denial. It was Rees - Mogg and co who sabotaged the Brexit deal.z

There were 432 MPs that voted againgst Mrs May deal, is there a slight possibility that some of those MPs were Labour, just asking?

Edited September 6, 2019 by vogie

[StreetCowboy]

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

There were 432 MPs that voted againgst Mrs May deal, is there a slight possibility that some of those MPs were Labour, just asking?

Normally, the Opposition oppose the Government, but, with a majority, such opposition supports debate but no more.  Unless your party is riddled with back-stabbing traitors who have no interest in supporting their party in government.  Corbyn could not stop Brexit.  the LDP could not stop Brexit, nor could the SNP.  But Boris and his mates did.  Good job, Boris.

 

[joecoolfrog]

15 minutes ago, kingdong said:

It wasn,t a deal it was a scheme that would have kept us on forever.

So I keep being told but where was the alternative deal as proposed by Rees - Mogg and his Euro reform buddies ?

Boris is basicly proposing Mays deal with amendments to the backstop ( which she also tried for ) so is he a traitor also ?

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Normally, the Opposition oppose the Government, but, with a majority, such opposition supports debate but no more.  Unless your party is riddled with back-stabbing traitors who have no interest in supporting their party in government.  Corbyn could not stop Brexit.  the LDP could not stop Brexit, nor could the SNP.  But Boris and his mates did.  Good job, Boris.

 

I notice you use the word "normally" I don't think there is anything normal about this parliament, suffice to say there is more to the failure of Mrs May to get her deal through parliament than blaming 20 members of the ERG. Would you agree?

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

I notice you use the word "normally" I don't think there is anything normal about this parliament, suffice to say there is more to the failure of Mrs May to get her deal through parliament than blaming 20 members of the ERG. Would you agree?

If every Tory MP had voted for the deal, it would have passed. We would have been out in March.

 

Absolutely no point in blaming anyone else for the delays. The deflection has worn thin. Facts are facts, as remainers have been trying to tell Brexiteers for nearly 4 years now. When will you start listening?

[beautifulthailand99]

100 of thousands of young people are registering to vote and Labour/LibDems are running a huge campaign to get them. GAME ON. 

 

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