Just now, abrahamzvi said:

No, these are not my facts or someone else's ones. Facts are facts, as opposed to statements or lies. 

Show me the incontrovertible facts that disagree with the statements from the prosecutor.

5 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Biden and the Democrats are <deleted> scared of what Giuliani is uncovering! 

Go, Rudy! ???? 

None of the Democrats are scared at all.  If Biden has done something illegal or his son- it will come out, most likely by the news media. There are plenty of Democrats who can run for President such as Warren and  Sanders who are capable of beating Trump.

 

The issue is not about Biden- it is about Trump calling a foreign Presient and asking him to pursue action against an American citizen running for President of the United States.  This is against the US Consteitution and against the law.  Trump has admitted to doing and so has Rudy- They're both saying we did it and why should anyone care.

 

In addition- Trump is now threatening memberes of the White House staff and the Whistleblower with some type of 'consequences'.  You can't do that.

 

Richard Nixo thought the same as Trump-  'when the President does something. it's never criminal'.  Nixon found iout the hard way- when articles of impeachment were drawn up and he was visited by the Republican leadership who informed him he will be concited and they were prepared to vote against him.

 

As the evidence comes forward- I fully expect the US House to issue  articles of Impreachcment and vote yes to impreach.  At some point- Mitch Mconnl, the Senate Majority Leader and the House Minitory Leader and a delegation of Repubs will visit Trump and give him the same word as Nixon got-  Resign or be removed.  Trump will resign- Pence become President and of course Pence will pardon Trump.

 

Rudy may be indicted and convicted of obstruction and possibly the Attorney General will also.  Once the dominoes start to fall- Trump's so called  friends will bail like rats off a sinking ship.

 

Lest we not forget- the Whistleblower never heard the original call. Other Trumpists who had access to the call-alerted the whistleblower to the issue and there will be more to come.

1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

There are documents released that include the statements from the prosecutor who was fired on Biden's demand that he was indeed investigating Burisma. Official transcripts in his own words. Here is a link to Tim Pool's take on it. He shows the documents. Of course you won't watch it.

 

 

Got to wonder about Trump supporters' inability to make a point without resorting to questionable sources, commentators and authors.

Seen the light, turned philanthropist. Blends in well with the make-believe liars in the WH.

6 hours ago, webfact said:

"Nobody pays my expenses,"

In one TV interview he stated that some of his work related to his Ukraine "mission" was "pro bono."

From the perspective of U.S. Federal Election Campaign laws, that's irrelevant if something of value was being provided to the Trump 2020 election campaign committee. I'm sure Giuliani's time alone is worth $1,000/hr.

As such, not only would Giuliani have violated FEC laws, Trump's election campaign committee would have as well.

6 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

It is kind of sad to see the decline of Rudy. I am old enough to remember back in the 80's when he was a kick-ass prosecutor tossing mob figures into the Big House.

Sadly Rudy's decline may have started decades ago....

 

"The government subsequently nailed Hopkins' mortgage broker, Frank LaMagra, on an unrelated charge and he offered to give up Donald, claiming Trump "participated" in the money-laundering — and volunteering to wear a wire on him....Instead, Lombardi, who discussed the case with Giuliani personally (and with me for a 1993 Village Voice piece called "The Case of the Missing Case"), went straight to Donald for two hour-long interviews with him. Within weeks of the interviews, Donald announced he'd raise $2 million in a half hour if Rudy ran for mayor. Lamagra got no deal and was convicted, as was his mob associate, Louis (Louie HaHa) Attanasio, who was later also nailed for seven underworld murders. Hopkins was convicted of running his gambling operation partly out of the Trump Tower apartment, where he was arrested."

 

From "Peas in a Pod: The long and twisted relationship between Donald Trump and Rudy Giuliani" by Wayne Barrett, NY Daily News

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/wayne-barrett-donald-trump-rudy-giuliani-peas-pod-article-1.2776357

 

26 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Got to wonder about Trump supporters' inability to make a point without resorting to questionable sources, commentators and authors.

Here is video of Giuliani with the documents in his hands. Reading them on ABC,

 

1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

That's not what the fired prosecutor says. He says he refused to stop investigating Burisma.

A classic case of MRDA if ever there was one.

1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

That's not what the fired prosecutor says. He says he refused to stop investigating Burisma.

You want to agree with a prosecutor who was fired for corruption?

 

And just how did his firing help biden? Considering that after he was fired the imvestigation was re opened.

Let's not talk about trump and his minions, let's talk about the price of tea in China !

I don't take the bait, I suggest others don't either. This is all about what the President of the United States and his minions  did or did not do.

 

 

And to think that Rambling Rudy used to be a highly respected man. What has become of this fool? Is he insane, unhinged, or just suffering from a degenerative disease of some sort? The more he talks, the deeper the hole he is creating for both him and his boss. He was virtually exiled for months, as they realized how damaging he was to the president. Why on earth did they allow him to resurface? Bad, bad decision. Now he says it was not about politics. What? The meeting was not about politics? I think the "truth is not truth" guy has completely lost the plot, honor means nothing to him, and he will say or do anything at this stage of his now sorry career. He is an absolute clown. 

Rudy is clearly set up as a fall guy, with guaranteed pardon of course. Others will be thrown under the bus, Pence, maybe even Pompeio. I won't shed a tear about any of them, that's the consequence of doing Trump's biding.

Sadly Mitch will survive the whole affair, whatever the outcome.

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38 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

Here is video of Giuliani with the documents in his hands. Reading them on ABC,

 

If he has any evidence then he better be off to the authorities quick smart with it.

 

Or they could judt be things he typed himself

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

If he has any evidence then he better be off to the authorities quick smart with it.

 

Or they could judt be things he typed himself

You could just have a look eh? You can wash your eyes out with holy water later.

15 minutes ago, Blue Muton said:

A classic case of MRDA if ever there was one.

Which MRDA?

MRDA	Men's Roller Derby Association (formerly Men's Derby Coalition; est. 2007)
MRDA	Mitsubishi Research and Design of America
MRDA	Moldovan Research and Development Association
MRDA	Meeting Recorder Dialog Act
MRDA	Mandy Rice-Davies Applies
MRDA	Mundri Relief and Development Association
MRDA	Missouri Rental Dealers Association
MRDA	Mineral Resources Development Act (Tasmania, Australia)
MRDA	Media Research Directors Association
MRDA	Maine Rural Development Authority
MRDA	Military Recommended Dietary Allowance
MRDA	Multi Resolution Data Access
MRDA	Maple Road Development Association
MRDA	Missouri Round Dance Association
MRDA	Manitoba Riding for the Disabled Association, Inc. (Canada)
MRDA	Mental Retardation Diagnostic Assessment
MRDA	Mercy Relief and Development Asia
MRDA	Ministry Reporting Database Application
MRDA	Mitsubishi Research and Design America, Inc.
MRDA	Manager Radiological Dose Assessment
MRDA	Mission Requirements Definition and Analysis
MRDA	Mission Requirements and Definition Analysis
MRDA	Minerals Regulation and Development Act
MRDA	Multi-Resonant Dipole Antenna
MRDA	Minimum Recommended Daily Allowance

I’m not at all surprised Trump didn’t pay Giuliani, not paying is a habit of his.

 

He didn’t pay Cohen either, but that didn’t keep Cohen out of the slammer.

1 minute ago, canuckamuck said:

Which MRDA?

MRDA	Men's Roller Derby Association (formerly Men's Derby Coalition; est. 2007)
MRDA	Mitsubishi Research and Design of America
MRDA	Moldovan Research and Development Association
MRDA	Meeting Recorder Dialog Act
MRDA	Mandy Rice-Davies Applies
MRDA	Mundri Relief and Development Association
MRDA	Missouri Rental Dealers Association
MRDA	Mineral Resources Development Act (Tasmania, Australia)
MRDA	Media Research Directors Association
MRDA	Maine Rural Development Authority
MRDA	Military Recommended Dietary Allowance
MRDA	Multi Resolution Data Access
MRDA	Maple Road Development Association
MRDA	Missouri Round Dance Association
MRDA	Manitoba Riding for the Disabled Association, Inc. (Canada)
MRDA	Mental Retardation Diagnostic Assessment
MRDA	Mercy Relief and Development Asia
MRDA	Ministry Reporting Database Application
MRDA	Mitsubishi Research and Design America, Inc.
MRDA	Manager Radiological Dose Assessment
MRDA	Mission Requirements Definition and Analysis
MRDA	Mission Requirements and Definition Analysis
MRDA	Minerals Regulation and Development Act
MRDA	Multi-Resonant Dipole Antenna
MRDA	Minimum Recommended Daily Allowance

Not smart enough to narrow it down?

Not smart enough to think of using Google?

 

ok then, as you need some special help:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRDA_(slang)

 

 

1 minute ago, Blue Muton said:

Not smart enough to narrow it down?

Not smart enough to think of using Google?

 

ok then, as you need some special help:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRDA_(slang)

 

 

I got that list from Google.

No idea who Mandy Rice Davies is.

You were just too clever for me. 

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

If he has any evidence then he better be off to the authorities quick smart with it.

 

Or they could judt be things he typed himself

 Exactly,  What's wrong with the US legal institutions? You know, the ones administered under the trump administration, why does the president need to pressure foreign government  to  investigate his political opponents? Can anyone please answer me this?????

and while answering the above can someone please tell me why , otherwise good people are supporting trump? Where is your patriotism? This man is destroying the country, and you all  are running interference for him,

 What is wrong with all of you? 

Unlike other countries that derive their cohesion from a common ethnic identity, America is a country comprised of people from all over the world. what holds us together is a trust that our institutions provide a level field for all. trump is destroying faith in all of these institutions, 

Our free press, our legal system, our intelligence community, OUR CONSTITUTION!!! 

You all need to be ashamed of yourselves !!!! 

 

 

 

28 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not at all surprised Trump didn’t pay Giuliani, not paying is a habit of his.

 

He didn’t pay Cohen either, but that didn’t keep Cohen out of the slammer.

 What difference does it make who paid for the taxi ride my minion took to do my bidding ?

This is all for the consumption of the base , The only reason republicans still support this fraud is fear of the base, If the base starts eroding , trump and giuliani are tost. 

 

 

Edited September 30, 20196 yr by sirineou
typo

2 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

That's not what the fired prosecutor says. He says he refused to stop investigating Burisma.

The (very good, lol) fired prosecutor is a crook who was not fighting corruption!

Ukraine's former Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin has categorically rejected claims by Donald Trump concerning Mr Trump's Democratic rival Joe Biden.

"Mr Klimkin told the BBC that the prosecutor was sacked for corruption. A number of Western bodies, including the EU, had pushed for the prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to be sacked, he said."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49856788

 

Actually, the case against Burisma had been closed in 2012.

 

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-ukraine-buris/ukraine-agency-says-allegations-against-burisma-cover-period-before-biden-joined-idUSKBN1WC1LV

 

Edited September 30, 20196 yr by candide

7 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Biden and the Democrats are <deleted> scared of what Giuliani is uncovering! 

Go, Rudy! ???? 

 

MAGA

Do you understand how ridiculous you sound? MAGA was discredited long ago, when it was found that a PR agency created the line, and field tested it amongst likely voters. Make America great again? Do you really mean make America white again? America is never going to be great again. It is an empire in decline. Has been for some time, but your Master has precipitated that decline dramatically. He is undoing decades of goodwill, established with the US allies throughout the world. And sabotaging any economic gains that have been made with his surly, ignorant, WWF style trade wars. You want to make America great again? Impeach Trump. That would be a good start.

Reuters got this info off the AP wire and it's wrong in it's second para when it says "unsubstantiated" when it speaks of Biden influencing the Ukraine government! The proof came out of Joe's mouth in a television interview, he boasted about it!

2 hours ago, candide said:

The (very good, lol) fired prosecutor is a crook who was not fighting corruption!

Ukraine's former Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin has categorically rejected claims by Donald Trump concerning Mr Trump's Democratic rival Joe Biden.

"Mr Klimkin told the BBC that the prosecutor was sacked for corruption. A number of Western bodies, including the EU, had pushed for the prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to be sacked, he said."

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49856788

 

Actually, the case against Burisma had been closed in 2012.

 

But it said the period under investigation was 2010-2012, and noted that this was before the company hired Hunter Biden.

“Changes to the board of Burisma Limited, which are currently the object of international attention, took place only in May 2014, and therefore are not and never were the subject of (the anti-corruption bureau’s) investigation,” the bureau’s statement said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-ukraine-buris/ukraine-agency-says-allegations-against-burisma-cover-period-before-biden-joined-idUSKBN1WC1LV

 

Then why did Joe say what he said in the interview?

2 minutes ago, TPI said:

Then why did Joe say what he said in the interview?

Why dont you comment on topic.

 

If there is an issue with biden then its the responsibility of US authorities to investigate.

 

This is about trump asking a foregn govt to investigate. An act that is illegal.

 

If biden did anything wrong it is irrelevant to what trump did.

 

Deflect away.

10 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Trump is going to be impeached (there is a Dem majority in the house), and one of the primary reasons is going to be Rudy.

 

It is kind of sad to see the decline of Rudy. I am old enough to remember back in the 80's when he was a kick-ass prosecutor tossing mob figures into the Big House. I am old enough to remember the truly superb job that he did as Mayor of NY around 9/11. These days, I see him on TV and think to myself "There is an old, demented vampire who inexplicably and improbably got lost in the booze". 

 

An open question: how many of you would be happy and confident if Rudy was your lawyer? Anyone? I would not.

 

it bears thinking about...

 

 

 

Rudy is not a nice person.

Some troll posts consisting of cartoons, memes and other assorted none sense removed, this is a discussion forum it is not Facebook, Twitter or SMS

1 hour ago, TPI said:

Then why did Joe say what he said in the interview?

The US, the EU, the IMF, etc... all had the same motive for asking Ukraine to fire the "very good" prosecutor: they did not want the financial aid to Ukraine to end up in corrupt hands.

It's explained in the articles (citing Ukrainian sources) I already linked. Here's another one about the EU position at that time:

 

"The European Union has welcomed the dismissal of Ukraine’s scandal-ridden prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on corruption, even as the country’s political crisis deepened over efforts to form a new ruling coalition and appoint a new prime minister.

Ukraine’s parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding the beleaguered prosecutor’s office of a figure who is accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying moves to root out graft."

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-hails-sacking-of-ukraine-s-prosecutor-viktor-shokin-1.2591190

1 hour ago, TPI said:

Then why did Joe say what he said in the interview?

Because he had nothing to hide as it was US policy at the time to get rid of the corrupt prosecutor (along with the EU, the IMF and other parties) before $1 billion of aid was given.

The prosecutor was not investigating Bidens son and a further investigation after the prosecutor was sacked revealed no issues with the company Bidens son was a director of. 

What don't you guys get about this?

7 hours ago, Caldera said:

Rudy Giuliani's descent is saddening to watch. From 9/11 hero all the way down to pond scum.

Your entitled to your opinion ! But you can't deny he exposes the Washington hypocrisy more than ever. He is truly a whisleblower, IMOP!

Giuliani provides evidence the prosecutor was fired for investigating Burisma.

LINK