Thaifriends Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 hours ago, cmsally said: Held by whom ? The cafe, the internet provider ??? Ah a search , seems to suggest this is in fact very recent and very much in international news! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/10/thai-cafes-forced-to-track-customers-wifi-use-sparking-free-speech-fears For maketing by VoIP companies. Happens in the UK also. Its common. Later police can retreive the data for any crimnal investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDaddy66 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 They don't really collect data. They simply archive log files. It is standard and automatized (this host to this IP/domain , + datetime). They don't watch what's inside the transaction : this would be totally illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moldresistant Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 minutes ago, Vacuum said: Why use cloudflare instead of the dns supplied by the vpn? In case of DNS leaks like this https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dns-leaks-can-destroy-anonymity-using-vpn-stop/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tandor Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 hours ago, canopus1969 said: nothing to worry about says Thai police Translated, you do need to worry !! ..well they can put the pressure on the service providers and access it all from them..but they expected the little guy to be their agents and do all the sifting through for them..LO Silliness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmsally Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 So each person has to log in with ID? Otherwise how can you detect which log file goes back to which customer. Or are they going to rely on the device details linking the person to the IPs. Might be possible for phones but more tricky for laptops etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 5 hours ago, topt said: Just curious Is this a separate piece of software you have put on her phone? He said...."open google maps, click on timeline...." As long as you know someone's Google password it's simple. Check your own and see what I mean. EDIT: But also read posts 27 to 29 which mention that you CAN turn timeline off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Tyrrell Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 VPN SERVICE !! PROBLEM SOLVED !! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time to grow Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 7 hours ago, steven100 said: If it has assisted in catching criminals then I'm all for it. He was just being straight about the issue and answering the question as needed. what's the problem …. The problem is, it's a lie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odisan Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 "Such measures helped in the capture of serious criminals, he added. " But it took 12 years to start. How then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HHTel Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 It seems they have got the guide book from China "How to run an authoritarian state" and they're following it page by page! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ttrd Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 RE - Coffee shops/net cafes collecting WIFI data * Good, it would have been a an issue if they collected personal data and not only data about their WIFI ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 https://www.privacytools.io/ https://www.eff.org/pages/tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almer Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 All you lot who refuse or cant be bothered to do a TM30 you might want to reconsider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peixotorms Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 collecting data for an internet provider or wifi spot is trivial. Most enterprise or business routers have options to log all your http traffic. It's like a vpn on the router, logging all requests. In china you can use a vpn, but after a while that too gets blocked. That's because although they cannot see inside, they can see what type of traffic (encrypted) you using. Therefore, if they cannot see, then better block it completely because you must be up to no good if you are trying to access youtube or google maps. so much for the EU privacy laws and gdpr stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pluto56 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 After reading this I feel like I just landed in China. Without a Visa. Thank you mister policeman I feel so much safer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablosbmb Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 6 hours ago, Vacuum said: Talking about using a lap top. Oh, you can have one of mine then???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inactiveposter Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 A VPN is not a guarantee. Some provide data to third parties. Here’s a link to a discussion of the +/- of VPN’s - https://medium.com/tebs-lab/do-vpns-actually-protect-your-privacy-5f98a9cec90a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topt Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, VBF said: He said...."open google maps, click on timeline...." As long as you know someone's Google password it's simple. Check your own and see what I mean. EDIT: But also read posts 27 to 29 which mention that you CAN turn timeline off It has been answered several times already but if you read my reply (#25) to his reply post I don't have Google on my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traubert Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 7 hours ago, Vacuum said: Talking about using a lap top. Put it in a femidom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkymover Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 all that , just so they can get to see what good porn sites we are using, wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topt Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 1 hour ago, moldresistant said: In case of DNS leaks like this https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/dns-leaks-can-destroy-anonymity-using-vpn-stop/ Thanks for the link. You may want to have a read of this to see what this guy says about Cloudflare - https://thatoneprivacysite.net/choosing-the-best-vpn-for-you/ The VPN comparison tables are a bit of an eye opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VBF Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 35 minutes ago, topt said: It has been answered several times already but if you read my reply (#25) to his reply post I don't have Google on my phone. Bit confusing.... I was answering how you can track people who do have Google (the "standard" if you use an Android phone) and @BritManToo was discussing how a girlfriend was being tracked. Yes I agree if you've rooted the phone and don't have Android as an OS it changes the game, but that would be a minority of people, don't you think? Edit: you thanked me whilst i was updating my comment - thank you too! ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefaultName Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Apologies if this has been covered already, I haven't read the entire thread. Remember when all bars had to have surveillance cameras? Well, you still see the odd one, but that pretty much died a death - and I never heard of anyone actually having any problems because of them. Of course, if you're really worried, don't use WiFi. Simples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matzzon Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Wiggy said: Then there's no need to collect the data. Don´t worry, it´s just for statistic purposes. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moldresistant Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 37 minutes ago, topt said: Thanks for the link. You may want to have a read of this to see what this guy says about Cloudflare - https://thatoneprivacysite.net/choosing-the-best-vpn-for-you/ The VPN comparison tables are a bit of an eye opener. Not related to the DNS but he's talking about VPN services that use CloudFlare DDoS protection, because they give out free SSLs for websites that hook into their service. They do have access to a lot of data for sure that way though most big name VPN providers don't do that anyways. Now DNS is different. The reason I use CloudFlare 1.1.1.1 DNS is to fragment the data - CloudFlare only gets your DNS data, wherethe local ISP here normally has customer's DNS, content of non-HTTPS traffic (Cloudflare gets a non-zero percentage of this anyway), billing information, real identity etc. Normally the ISPs can tie your DNS records to a real identity, where CloudFlare can only make inferences from the data and the source IP location. It gives two companies an incomplete picture, rather than one knowing EVERYTHING. CloudFlare promise to not do so is also a non-zero consideration - it's clearly unenforceable/you would never know, but the mere promise is probably better than many ISPs. More info https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/04/how-to-keep-your-isps-nose-out-of-your-browser-history-with-encrypted-dns/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amdy2206 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 If there is nothing to worry about why do they need to do it?? China and Big Brother influence getting everywhere. How can once every 90 days seriously catch any criminals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moldresistant Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 If you use Firefox it's easy to fragment your data with DNS over HTTPS. Just click Preferences > Network Settings and scroll down to the bottom. You can use another DNS provider if you're not comfortable with CloudFlare or even make your own recursive DNS server using a cheap Raspberry Pi running Unbound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisperone Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 I'm sure big brother to the north is helping them out in the collection process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain 776 Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted October 10, 2019 Share Posted October 10, 2019 Next step is to have the cell towers track your phone at all times, just for the data. Not to worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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