Do you agree that the EU does not want the UK to leave it? 

No reason for the EU to want the opposite.

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Let all this be a lesson to all future governments of whatever hue.

 

Never ever have a referendum again to ask the hoi palloi what they want. 

 

You were elected by them now get on with it. Please yourselves not them. Do what you want to do not what they would want you to to do. 

 

Referendums are now a thing of the past. Only elections count.

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

The government has negotiated the withdrawal agreement (again). This agreement is much the same as the last attempt. The latest attempt has not even got as far as a vote. It is this parliament which cannot agree with this proposed agreement, not the government. So we need a new government asap via a GE.

Far easier and fairer to have a people's vote. Let the people decide.

Manic Monday vote. 

 

10 hours ago, Denim said:

Let all this be a lesson to all future governments of whatever hue.

 

Never ever have a referendum again to ask the hoi palloi what they want. 

 

You were elected by them now get on with it. Please yourselves not them. Do what you want to do not what they would want you to to do. 

 

Referendums are now a thing of the past. Only elections count.

Nice thing about elections is they happen every 3 to 4 years.

The problem with referendums (the preferred tool of demagogues and despots) is they have no sell-by date so it is often hard to tell when they have gone off.

On 10/19/2019 at 10:14 PM, stevenl said:

Better raise those taxes then.

The brexit dividend.

On 10/20/2019 at 7:06 AM, Airbagwill said:

Surely if a PM can't do what parliament has asked him to do, he should resign?

That requires integrity.

21 hours ago, NanLaew said:

And where does this claim of underfunding originate?

From the NHS customers.

One of the largest contributions to brexit was GP and hospital waiting times.

Of course the brexiteers would rather blame the foreigners but with over 100 vacancies in the NHS the argument doesn't hold water and brexit made it worse.

When challenged in interview over doctor suicides the health secretary admitted they were over 10K doctors short. The problem is most acute in mental health with training taking around 13 years.

Lack of foresight and lack of funding.

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

The government has negotiated the withdrawal agreement (again). This agreement is much the same as the last attempt. The latest attempt has not even got as far as a vote. It is this parliament which cannot agree with this proposed agreement, not the government. So we need a new government asap via a GE.

If you do not like the parliament you have, then vote again.

 

“They must go on voting until they get it right.”

57 minutes ago, Airbagwill said:

The problem with referendums (the preferred tool of demagogues and despots) is they have no sell-by date so it is often hard to tell when they have gone off.

There have only ever been 3 national referendums, 1975,2011 and 2016.

How can it be the preferred tool of anyone?

The first 2 were merely confirmation of government policy, the 3rd proved they have no place in UK politics.

Several off topic posts hijacking the topic have been removed also replies

8 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Far easier and fairer to have a people's vote. Let the people decide.

You guys complain about advisory referendums and extol parliamentary sovereignty... until it comes to crunch time. 

3 hours ago, sandyf said:

If you do not like the parliament you have, then vote again.

 

“They must go on voting until they get it right.”

Good. Glad you agree that we need a general election.

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Good. Glad you agree that we need a general election.

The next one is 2022.

 

Plenty of time to sort Brexit out before then.

8 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Far easier and fairer to have a people's vote. Let the people decide.

Disagree of course. Another referendum is a bad choice democratically. The real problem is this useless parliament, which is not making any headway. Time for a GE and then see if any progress can be made after that. Remainers can vote for parties that are likely to champion their cause like the Lib Dems. 

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The next one is 2022.

 

Plenty of time to sort Brexit out before then.

Plenty of time .... how much time have we had already? How much do we need?  This is all horse doo. We need a GE now.

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You guys complain about advisory referendums and extol parliamentary sovereignty... until it comes to crunch time. 

Maybe you should read, mark and understand my post before replying.

16 hours ago, Denim said:

Let all this be a lesson to all future governments of whatever hue.

 

Never ever have a referendum again to ask the hoi palloi what they want. 

 

You were elected by them now get on with it. Please yourselves not them. Do what you want to do not what they would want you to to do. 

 

Referendums are now a thing of the past. Only elections count.

"u were elected by them now get on with it. Please yourselves not them. Do what you want to do not what they would want you to to do."

 

I assume this is a democrat being as sarcastic as possible?

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

We need a GE now.

Right, overturn the will of the electorate. That’s democracy Brexiteer style. 

4 minutes ago, el torro said:

"u were elected by them now get on with it. Please yourselves not them. Do what you want to do not what they would want you to to do."

 

I assume this is a democrat being as sarcastic as possible?

Correct

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

From the NHS customers.

One of the largest contributions to brexit was GP and hospital waiting times.

Of course the brexiteers would rather blame the foreigners but with over 100 vacancies in the NHS the argument doesn't hold water and brexit made it worse.

When challenged in interview over doctor suicides the health secretary admitted they were over 10K doctors short. The problem is most acute in mental health with training taking around 13 years.

Lack of foresight and lack of funding.

This needs a separate thread, as I certainly blame a large part of the NHS failure on the decision to insert a large number of admin. staff( and extremely well paid managers/top staff) into the NHS.....

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

That requires integrity.

"integrity" would be MPs respecting the vote of their constituents ....

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5 minutes ago, el torro said:

"integrity" would be MPs respecting the vote of their constituents ....

65% of Labour voters, voted remain.

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

If you do not like the parliament you have, then vote again.

 

“They must go on voting until they get it right.”

“They must go on voting until they get it right.”

 

Thank you for pointing out the stance of politicians.  It's worked previously - and they're hoping it will work again.

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Plenty of time .... how much time have we had already? How much do we need?  This is all horse doo. We need a GE now.

That will give the EU the excuse (for which they are desperately looking) to give another extension.

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Good. Glad you agree that we need a general election.

As much as we need a referendum.

17 minutes ago, el torro said:

"integrity" would be MPs respecting the vote of their constituents ....

 

11 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

65% of Labour voters, voted remain.

It's impossible to know the number of Labour voters that voted 'remain'.

 

But this has nothing to do with my point.

 

i.e. MPs respecting the vote of their constituents.

8 minutes ago, el torro said:

“They must go on voting until they get it right.”

 

Thank you for pointing out the stance of politicians.  It's worked previously - and they're hoping it will work again.

Do not thank me, you obviously missed the point in it being the signature of @nauseum, who is quite happy to keep having general elections until he gets the parliament he wants.

5 minutes ago, el torro said:

That will give the EU the excuse (for which they are desperately looking) to give another extension.

The EU does not sIt in Westminster, only gives the extension the UK is asking for - desperately- The EU is more exhausted than desperate.