"Void without prejudice" stamp in Phnom Penh for second SETV—best available options?

[TWWT]

8 minutes ago, PatOngo said:

So, if you have no income, what happens your funds run out?

I was planning to find a good school and teach. I wasn't going to run out completely, but couldn't have gone through many tourist visas without working (too risky anyway).

Edited October 20, 2019 by TWWT

[PatOngo]

1 minute ago, TWWT said:

I was planning to find a good school and teach. 

And in your planning, you applied for a Tourist Visa?

[TWWT]

Just now, PatOngo said:

And in your planning, you applied for a Tourist Visa?

Yes, should have gotten a METV. Thought I was going to work after 3 months. Didn't want to start working 40 hours per week again. Thought I could easily get a second SETV.

[spiekerjozef]

5 hours ago, ukrules said:

This high season is going to be an eye opener

what high season?

[PatOngo]

1 minute ago, TWWT said:

Yes, should have gotten a METV. Thought I was going to work after 3 months. Didn't want to start working 40 hours per week again. Thought I could easily get a second SETV.

40 hours is not so bad, I'm 65 and still work 50 hrs per week.

[spiekerjozef]

57 minutes ago, SteveK said:

So now it's got to the point where one SETV is too much? I sincerely hope that this report is bogus.

 

If it's not, I would recommend you to use a land crossing from Laos to enter, get your stuff, then don't bother with Thailand again.

it could be...

If he stayed in thailand 90 days or more in the last 6 months they will deny your second tourist visa application. Seen that trend going on lately in neighbouring countries thai consulates. So if OP would have stayed 80 days on his first SETV, then crossed the border and applied for another SETV he would have got his second SETV without problems.

[sillyfool]

you could clear any confusion up by detailing your visa and stay history in thailand over say the last 2 years. 

 

[nickstav]

30 minutes ago, TWWT said:

I was planning to find a good school and teach. I wasn't going to run out completely, but couldn't have gone through many tourist visas without working (too risky anyway).

You can find a good school to teach in Cambodia, or Vietnam (or China..they pay the most) and not have to put up with all the Thai bs.

[GeraldB22]

55 minutes ago, BestB said:

Have you noticed that recently all

the tourists who are denied claim to have sufficient funds but then do not have money for return flight home?

 

 

In my last 2 entries I was pulled into the interrogation queue for those they want to refuse entry for "living on tourist visas". They don't ask anything about money, even if you show them 20,000 baht+ they are not interested. It seems they are tasked with rejecting anyone they think is staying/living in Thailand long term using TV's. Whatever they put as the rejection reason does not correspond to what really happened. You might show 80,000 baht and you still get the stamp given which says "insufficient means of supporting yourself in Thailand". It's just the excuse they give.

 

To those that doubt whether the situation is as bad as this, you should look at the publicly viewable facebook groups for the Visa Run groups. You will see this is now a common situation. On my last trip a lot of people were rejected with just two TV's. If you have 1 TV in your passport you will probably get a 2nd, but not for sure. If you have two then there is a high chance of rejection unless you have a flight ticket to your home country 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2019 by GeraldB22

[baansgr]

1 hour ago, TWWT said:

 

Last minute tickets accross the world are $5000US no?

 

I can live as a tourist and relax in THAILAND, because food costs $1 per meal and rent $200 per month.

I saw a post on FB last week, one way Manila to US 16,000 PHP inclusive...thats only US 300, PP to Manila flight is minimal. Get a friend to sell your belongings and wire you the proceeds.

[Tayaout]

You can come back via land border to get your stuff. Check this thread: 

 

[TWWT]

I'm thinking of going to Vientiene, and then go to the Thai embassy to see if they have any suggestions (especially regarding the "entered Thailand frequently and for long durations using tourist visas" when I've only been in Thailand for 3 months once on one SETV).

 

Depending on what they say, I'll either try to get a SETV in Vientiene or try to get a VE at the land border. There is an appoinent system, right? Do I need an appointment to talk with a consular official? I'll also go to an agency in Phnom Penh to see if they can recommend anything. Any suggestions for a good agency?

[holy cow cm]

As long as all of us long termers on extensions don't get caught up in the crossfire fallout then what ever.

 

For the OP you should just try a land border run like has been suggested, and hope you get lucky with a 30 day. If you do get lucky, get your stuff and get the heck out while you can with it. What city is all your belongings? 

[spiekerjozef]

1 hour ago, TWWT said:

I'm thinking of going to Vientiene, and then go to the Thai embassy to see if they have any suggestions (especially regarding the "entered Thailand frequently and for long durations using tourist visas" when I've only been in Thailand for 3 months once on one SETV).

 

Depending on what they say, I'll either try to get a SETV in Vientiene or try to get a VE at the land border. There is an appoinent system, right? Do I need an appointment to talk with a consular official? I'll also go to an agency in Phnom Penh to see if they can recommend anything. Any suggestions for a good agency?

with a SETV voided in your passport it's gonna be very difficult getting another one in the region. Get a new passport first.

[Leaver]

8 hours ago, ukrules said:

This high season is going to be an eye opener

What high season????

[yogi100]

2 hours ago, baansgr said:

I saw a post on FB last week, one way Manila to US 16,000 PHP inclusive...thats only US 300, PP to Manila flight is minimal. Get a friend to sell your belongings and wire you the proceeds.

What about if his belongings are locked in a hotel or guest house room or any friends he may have in the LOS cannot gain access to them.

 

It's not a good idea these days to leave any belongings you may value in Thailand because any IO who's having a bad day can prevent you from ever seeing them again.

 

I'm just a holiday maker but I won't be leaving any of my stuff with friends or in my hotel in case I get blanked at BKK airport on any future visits.

 

A sad state of affairs which must be of concern to many of us who who simply like to holiday and spend time (and money) in Thailand.

 

They're not really concerned about 'sufficient funds' they simply don't really want Westerners spending a lot of time in their country. I dunno why they can't just come out and say so.

 

Does anyone ever get a welcoming smile from an IO at Swampy airport? I've never seen anyone get one.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 20, 2019 by yogi100

[spiekerjozef]

2 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Does anyone ever get a welcoming smile from an IO at Swampy airport? I've never seen anyone get one.

If you pay them you get one

[TWWT]

13 minutes ago, spiekerjozef said:

Get a new passport first.

Even if I get a new passport, won't the void/denied stamp come up in the system at embassies in different countries? Or land borders and airports?

[yogi100]

8 minutes ago, spiekerjozef said:

If you pay them you get one

I've gotta be fair.

 

Although I've never yet seen one of them smile neither have I ever seen one of them ask for money nor even indicate that a financial donation would be welcome or is expected.

 

Nor has anyone else I know ever experienced it either.

[holy cow cm]

20 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Does anyone ever get a welcoming smile from an IO at Swampy airport? I've never seen anyone get one.

Yes I get them all the time but at Suvarnabhumi as I am on long term yearly extensions for eons and my record of having no overstays is clear. Never tried to push it here like many do.

 

20 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

A sad state of affairs which must be of concern to many of us who who simply like to holiday and spend time (and money) in Thailand.

 

And this unfortunately is the crummy down hurtful side to the ones who just like to come in hang out and leave and then come again. They really should have better way of allowing people in by seeing concrete proof of they work outside the country or are wealthy enough to not be under suspicion. This OP and many others like him are examples of pushing it to the limit with not really having the funds to carry them through legitimately enough.

 

And just to add good luck to him getting in and getting his stuff and then leaving with all intact. 

Edited October 20, 2019 by holy cow cm

[JackThompson]

4 hours ago, TWWT said:

Went to the Phnom Pemh embassy, without going through an agent, and my visa was denied. This is hard to buy??

 

Based on what? How I write? That I state my history, situation and ask for what options I have?

Ignore the haters. 

4 hours ago, TWWT said:

I'm stranded in Cambodia, my stuff is in Thailand, don't have enough money to go back to my home country, and you're comfortable in your chair,  in some guy's thread who's stranded in a foreign country and aleady beaten and kicked to the ground, saying he's making all of this up?

You got a bogus-rejection from a known corrupt-consulate.  Using an agent you MIGHT have received a TV, but they seem to be making them near-impossible to get there, unless you have not been in Thailand for some unknown period of time prior to applying.  Sorry you did not see the posts about that consulate here, before choosing that location for your next SETV.

 

You are not stranded.  As others have said, fly to Vientiane, and enter at Nong-Khai Visa-Exempt.  Have 20K Baht worth of cash to show (can be USD), and the paperwork you used at the consulate (proof of where you are staying, etc).  Chances are, you won't even need that stuff, but better safe than sorry.

 

After you enter the country, immediately apply for a new passport, if you want to get SETVs nearby in the future - unless you can get a job lined-up within 30-days.  Don't wait until the last-minute, then not have time to get your new passport before your permitted-stay runs out.  You can probably extend w/o issue, but it is possible an IO would make an issue due to the lies stamped in your passport by the Phnom Penh consulate.

 

With a new passport, you can hop to various nearby consulates for a few SETVs - though not as many per-passport as in previous times.  You can also get 2 Visa-Exempt entries Per Calendar Year at law-abiding entry points (like Nong Khai) without issue.  These can be extended for 30 additional days each in-country.

[JackThompson]

12 minutes ago, TWWT said:

Even if I get a new passport, won't the void/denied stamp come up in the system at embassies in different countries? Or land borders and airports?

No.  Quite possibly not even a problem at that particular consulate, if you had a fresh passport with no evidence you had been in Thailand before - but I wouldn't go there again.

[yogi100]

15 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Yes I get them all the time but at Suvarnabhumi as I am on long term yearly extensions for eons and my record of having no overstays is clear. Never tried to push it here like many do.

 

 

 

I also enter at Suvarnabhumi and have had annual non imm O visas for years but I don't get them at all nor have I ever done so.

 

A pretty young thing like yourself only gets them because those IOs who smile at you do so because they fancy you and probably want to get to know you better.

 

It might be a good idea to try and cultivate a friendship with one of them. You never know when such a relationship might come in handy at some time in the future.

 

Next time one smiles at you slip him a piece of paper with your phone number on it. But don't do it too obviously as it might land both yourself and the IO concerned in trouble.

 

You're lucky so use it to your advantage, they don't give a plain ugly old goat like myself a second glance!

[holy cow cm]

3 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

I also enter at Suvarnabhumi and have had annual non imm O visas for years but I don't get them at all nor have I ever done so.

 

A pretty young thing like yourself only gets them because those IOs who smile at you do so because they fancy you and probably want to get to know you better.

 

It might be a good idea to try and cultivate a friendship with one of them. You never know when such a relationship might come in handy at some time in the future.

 

Next time one smiles at you slip him a piece of paper with your phone number on it. But don't do it too obviously as it might land both yourself and the IO concerned in trouble.

 

You're lucky so use it to your advantage, they don't give a plain ugly old goat like myself a second glance!

Too funny. I am in my mid 50's in ok looking shape but I probably have a face an aura that they like. But it is true that I always never ever get a grumpy one. 

[SteveK]

Why is a country which is trying to boost tourism going to such lengths to prevent tourist visas from being issued?

[ubonjoe]

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[La Migra]

I think you got your consensus answer; try a VE entry at a land border crossing in Laos (considered more friendly). If denied entry you are no worse off than now. Except you are in Laos vice Cambodia. I would suggest that, if immigration hesitates to let you in, explain that you just need to get your computer and so on, and accept a reduced number of days admission. (Maybe have a flight pre-booked to leave Thailand in 10-15 days)    

I still don't understand why they would put a visa sticker in your PP.  Wouldn't they normally just deny your application for the SETV?       

 

[SteveK]

39 minutes ago, La Migra said:

I still don't understand why they would put a visa sticker in your PP.  Wouldn't they normally just deny your application for the SETV?       

 

The nice helpful people already screwed you for the visa fee, now they're getting even more pleasure by taking one of your passport pages to ensure that your passport runs out faster causing you more headaches in the not so distant future.

Edited October 20, 2019 by SteveK

[BestB]

1 minute ago, SteveK said:

The f*ckers already screwed you for the visa fee, now they're getting even more pleasure by taking one of your passport pages to ensure that your passport runs out faster causing you more headaches.

That is assuming his story is 100% true and from what i read, it is far from it.

 

I am yet read from anyone even with a long history of getting such a stamp from the embassy or a consulate.

[SteveK]

1 minute ago, BestB said:

That is assuming his story is 100% true and from what i read, it is far from it.

 

I am yet read from anyone even with a long history of getting such a stamp from the embassy or a consulate.

Every time we get one of these stories on here, lots of people think it's all made up. Are there really that many people with nothing better to do than come up with fake stories and post them on here? Why would they even bother?