Dividends/ Rental Income Proof of overseas income

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I have read lots of information from various sources that seems to be a little bit contradictory, so I'm hoping to get something a little more concrete with regards to what Jomtien immigration accept.

 

I do not have any pension, my only sources of income are dividends and rental property income. To be quite honest it's still not completely clear to me whether or not they require evidence of the income. But as these are my only 2 sources I wanted to confirm whether they were accepted.

 

So I'm looking for somebody that has had a visa extension in the last 6 months in Jomtien using these forms of income as proof or if you have received visa extension without supplying any evidence of overseas income?

 

Thanks

[BertM]

Your income doesn't have to be a pension. Your proof of income for Thai immigration is showing that you have transferred 65,000 THB or more each month into a Thai bank (a bank book & bank letter is required by Thai immigration). If you're a citizen of one of the countries that are still doing income letters, then you can get the income letter from your embassy and submit the income letter to Thai immigration.

[scubascuba3]

18 minutes ago, BertM said:

Your income doesn't have to be a pension. Your proof of income for Thai immigration is showing that you have transferred 65,000 THB or more each month into a Thai bank (a bank book & bank letter is required by Thai immigration). If you're a citizen of one of the countries that are still doing income letters, then you can get the income letter from your embassy and submit the income letter to Thai immigration.

Mixed reports on this whether proof of income source from a pension is required. Problem for people 50 to retirement age

[Sheryl]

Are you extending based on retirement or based on marriage to a Thai?

[BertM]

24 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Mixed reports on this whether proof of income source from a pension is required. Problem for people 50 to retirement age

Jomtien never requested supporting pension documents from me when I did my extensions there. As you said, quite a problem since most people who are just over age 50 do not have pensions yet. I would think the Thai bank book & bank letter would be the only thing they would need now unless you're submitting an income letter from embassy...

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18 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

Are you extending based on retirement or based on marriage to a Thai?

Retirement

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1 minute ago, BertM said:

Jomtien never requested supporting pension documents

I guess I'm really wanting to know if they require any supporting proof of income or they're just happy to see the money going into the bank regularly. 

 

Obviously the question of with they accept my income is irrelevant if they don't require any proof.

[BertM]

10 minutes ago, 1 said:

Retirement

You do know that you have to transfer the monies each month into a Thai bank, right? You cannot just show them your overseas income. The only other way is to get an income letter from your embassy.

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1 minute ago, BertM said:

You do know that you have to transfer the monies each month into a Thai bank, right? You cannot just show them your overseas income. The only other way is to get an income letter from your embassy.

Yes I have all that covered thanks. 

 

The reason I'm going through this process is because I'm an Australian citizen and the income letter is no longer an option.

[BertM]

Just now, 1 said:

Yes I have all that covered thanks. 

 

The reason I'm going through this process is because I'm an Australian citizen and the income letter is no longer an option.

As I said, the 2 years I did my extension in Jomtien, they never asked for supporting pension documents. This year, I did mine in Bangkok using the 400k in bank for marriage. Maybe, others who did monthly in Jomtien recently will reply with first-hand info.

[Sheryl]

2 hours ago, 1 said:

Retirement

 

For that, you have to show transfers of at least 65k baht from abroad if using the monthly income method.

 

If suing the 800k in the bank method you do not have to show that it came from abroad.

 

in neither case do yo uhave to show the source of the money.

[soisanuk]

20 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

For that, you have to show transfers of at least 65k baht from abroad if using the monthly income method.

 

If suing the 800k in the bank method you do not have to show that it came from abroad.

 

in neither case do yo uhave to show the source of the money.

Each Immigration Office can have their own requirements. The OP mentioned Pattaya Immigration (Jomtien).  I did my retirement extension renewal near the end of June for my July renewal date. I did use the 65k per month and had to show two bank letters (both from Bangkok Bank) - one being the usual verifying the account (also required for those using 800k in bank) and the other being a letter listing all my foreign deposits to the account for the previous 12 months (I originally had bank statements certified by the Bank, but that was not acceptable at Jomtien although I have seen posting on Thavisa that statements were acceptable at other Immigration Offices).  In addition, I had a document from my pension provider showing the source (but since I provided it without being asked, it is possible they may not have required it, but I did note that the Immigration Officer did look at it closely).

 

Likewise, although not needed by the OP, but illustrates the point that each Immigration Office has their own requirements, Jomtien Immigration Office for those using the 800k in the bank to qualify for retirement extension are also required to return in 90 days to show their bank book to verify that they did not let the amount go below 800k during that period - they are give a specific date to report - yesterday, at the Pattaya City Expats Club meeting, one attendee announced that he had gone to Jomtien 2 days before that date and was told that was not acceptable and he had to come back in 2 days.  From all reports I have seen, Jomtien Immigration is the only Office that has that requirement.

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29 minutes ago, soisanuk said:

Jomtien Immigration Office for those using the 800k in the bank to qualify for retirement extension are also required to return in 90 days to show their bank book to verify that they did not let the amount go below 800k during that period - they are give a specific date to report - yesterday, at the Pattaya City Expats Club meeting, one attendee announced that he had gone to Jomtien 2 days before that date and was told that was not acceptable and he had to come back in 2 days.  From all reports I have seen, Jomtien Immigration is the only Office that has that requirement.

As a follow on to that, I actually intend to be using a 400000b deposit with a combined monthly income ( totalling 800000b), so I am curious to see how the reporting of this money with regards to the three months after the the initial application goes. Also what amount of money will be expected to be kept in the bank after that point. 

 

It has no impact on my application but it's just a curiosity.

 

37 minutes ago, soisanuk said:

the other being a letter listing all my foreign deposits to the account for the previous 12 months (I originally had bank statements certified by the Bank, but that was not acceptable at Jomtien although I have seen posting on Thavisa that statements were acceptable at other Immigration Offices).

This is interesting as I was making inquiries at the bank the other day and the lady told me that they would not be able to guarantee these entries in my bank book that were not marked FFT. My understanding of this was that because they are marked SMT that acknowledges a local transfer and Bangkok Bank has no idea of the original origin so they would not be able to offer a letter attesting to the origin.

 

Of course maybe the entries in your book where all FFT Coded.

 

Thanks

[Max69xl]

On 11/3/2019 at 3:30 PM, scubascuba3 said:

Mixed reports on this whether proof of income source from a pension is required. Problem for people 50 to retirement age

Several embassies still issuing income letters only accept income from pension. The OP didn't mention where he comes from.

[Max69xl]

1 hour ago, 1 said:

As a follow on to that, I actually intend to be using a 400000b deposit with a combined monthly income ( totalling 800000b), so I am curious to see how the reporting of this money with regards to the three months after the the initial application goes. Also what amount of money will be expected to be kept in the bank after that point. 

 

It has no impact on my application but it's just a curiosity.

 

This is interesting as I was making inquiries at the bank the other day and the lady told me that they would not be able to guarantee these entries in my bank book that were not marked FFT. My understanding of this was that because they are marked SMT that acknowledges a local transfer and Bangkok Bank has no idea of the original origin so they would not be able to offer a letter attesting to the origin.

 

Of course maybe the entries in your book where all FFT Coded.

 

Thanks

If using the so called combination method = 400k in the bank and 400k from income from your home country, it's accepted at Jomtien immigration. IF you have an income letter from your embassy/consulate then the transfer code is irrelevant.

If you come from the UK,US or Australia you won't get an income letter. THEN, you need (so far), your transfers to be foreign = FTT in the bank book.  It will change in the near future, because Immigration is starting to learn that transfers from overseas don't always shows up as foreign depending on how you transfer the money. A piece of advise, start telling where you come from when asking for help.

[topt]

27 minutes ago, Max69xl said:

Several embassies still issuing income letters only accept income from pension. The OP didn't mention where he comes from.

From post #9 by the OP...........

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The reason I'm going through this process is because I'm an Australian citizen and the income letter is no longer an option.

 

[soisanuk]

17 hours ago, 1 said:

As a follow on to that, I actually intend to be using a 400000b deposit with a combined monthly income ( totalling 800000b), so I am curious to see how the reporting of this money with regards to the three months after the the initial application goes. Also what amount of money will be expected to be kept in the bank after that point. 

 

It has no impact on my application but it's just a curiosity.

 

This is interesting as I was making inquiries at the bank the other day and the lady told me that they would not be able to guarantee these entries in my bank book that were not marked FFT. My understanding of this was that because they are marked SMT that acknowledges a local transfer and Bangkok Bank has no idea of the original origin so they would not be able to offer a letter attesting to the origin.

 

Of course maybe the entries in your book where all FFT Coded.

 

Thanks

First, the 90 day after extension report to Jomtien Immigration is only for those using the 800k on deposit in a Thai Bank.

 

As to using the Combo method, money in bank & monthly income, from 2 or 3 reports I have received from folks using that method that do not have an Embassy Certification as to monthly income (e.g., UK, USA, Australia), Jomtien Immigration approved their extensions BUT wanted to see a document showing source of monthly income (pension), but again as in my case using the 65k monthly income,  those reporting may have  included the income source document and not been specifically asked for it.

 

In those cases, they did have at least 400k in the bank.  Reading the new Police Order that went into effect in Jan 2019 for those not having an Embassy certification, it is unclear whether persons using the combo method have to keep a minimum of 400k in their account all year around, but it could be the case -- the section on using the combo method makes reference back to the section re those using 800k in the bank having to keep a minimum balance of 400k at all times - thus, it could be interpreted that there is also a 400k minimum for those using the combo method; but, so far I have not seen or rec'd any reports that would confirm that is the case, e.g., someone being denied an extension using the combo method because their bank account went below that threshold.

 

As to the comment regarding my bank letter listing my deposits - it was from Bangkok Bank and all the deposits they listed were FTT transfers (not all deposits shown in my bank book because at times when updating after a period of time, many transactions are combined showing net results and no detail, but since they were in my online banking records, they did have the FTT code used by Bangkok Bank to denote a foreign source for the deposit).   When I renewed for July (done in June), the Immigration Officer barely glanced at the photocopies of my bank book and said nothing re the "combined" transactions.

 

Also, as mentioned in my previous post, I originally had bank certified bank statements showing all transaction for the previous 12 months which showed the FTT code for my foreign source deposits, BUT the Immigration Officer did not want to see them and told me to get a letter from my Bangkok Branch showing all foreign source deposits for the 12 months -- she provided me with an example of the letter and emphasized I needed to get it from the Branch where I opened the account as they were the only ones that could do it for a 12 month period (in that regard, I obtained the bank statements at a different Bangkok Bank location and they had to request it from Bangkok, which took about 7 days to receive).  After being told I needed the additional bank letter, I did go immediately to the Branch where I opened the account.  I was directed to the currency exchange window just inside the bank to get the letter and did not have to wait -- but, it still took over an hour to get the letter (100 baht fee) as first, they had to print out a "credit advice" for each deposit (600 baht fee which is not based on the number of "advices" printed) which they used to prepare the letter -- they gave me the "advice" print outs along with the letter, but of course, Immigration wanted only the letter.