snoop1130 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 'Moral call to rest of the world' on climate from hardest hit countries, Obama says By Joseph Sipalan Former U.S. President Barack Obama speaks during an Obama Foundation event in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, December 13, 2019. REUTERS/Lim Huey Teng KUALA LUMPUR (Reuters) - Island nations and poor coastal countries facing the severest effects of climate change offer a “moral call to the rest of the world” to act now, former U.S. President Barack Obama said on Friday. “For those of you who are... experiencing the effects of it right now, there may be some hard questions in terms of adaptation versus mitigation,” Obama said at a youth leaders conference in Malaysia’s capital city of Kuala Lumpur, organized by the Obama Foundation. Island countries that could disappear due to rising sea levels had on Thursday accused rich nations of losing sight of the urgency of the crisis, as a U.N. summit enters the final stretch of negotiations for countries to honor the 2015 Paris Agreement to combat global warming. “Your voice, your witness to what’s happening right here and now, is a moral call to the rest of the world. And figuring out how to tell the story of what you are seeing, and the losses that are already taking place, that’s going to be important.” The United States signed onto the 2015 Paris Agreement during Obama’s presidency, promising a 26-28% cut in emissions by 2025 from 2005 levels. But the administration of Obama’s successor Donald Trump filed paperwork last week to withdraw from the pact. The Paris accord aims to avoid the most catastrophic scenarios foreseen by climate scientists by limiting the rise in average global temperatures caused by burning fossil fuels. Once it exits, the United States - the top historic greenhouse gas emitter and leading oil and gas producer - will become the only country outside the accord. Obama said that it is up to the world’s youth to lead the charge in dealing with climate change, blaming the previous generation for failing to handle the issue “the way it should have”. “The oceans will be rising, and that is going to displace people. So we’ll to have to anticipate and care for some of the consequences, including large scale migrations and disruptions. That’s going to be very possible,” Obama said. “Old people are not going to worry about this as much as young people because they’re going to be gone when the full effects of this will come. So you’re going to have more urgency and educate your communities.” -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-12-13 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Ah, now that’s how a President should speak on issues of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Ah, now that’s how a President should speak on issues of the day. yes, and ignore reality altogether, important thing is it sounds valiant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, brokenbone said: yes, and ignore reality altogether, important thing is it sounds valiant Oh, I think the head in the sand brigade are ignoring enough reality for us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickBradford Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 More emotional hand-wringing. Fortunately, those who hold positions of influence in government stopped listening several years ago. Or to be more accurate, they figured out how to make pious-sounding claims about their adherence to the climate narrative, while quietly doing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 All hand on deck these days, Got to get all the puppets banging on the panic button. How are they going to enslave humanity when the proles won't listen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonlover Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, snoop1130 said: “Old people are not going to worry about this as much as young people because they’re going to be gone when the full effects of this will come. So you’re going to have more urgency and educate your communities.” Well that's certainly true. You just have read through many of the jaded comments one sees right here on TVF on this and many other matters concerning the health of the planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 56 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: All hand on deck these days, Got to get all the puppets banging on the panic button. How are they going to enslave humanity when the proles won't listen? Yes, seems the climate change activists are deliberately turning up the heat (pun intended). New articles every other day. Same old same old. Whip up peoples emotions and they lose their minds. Get 'em good and scared. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tippaporn Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Moonlover said: Well that's certainly true. You just have read through many of the jaded comments one sees right here on TVF on this and many other matters concerning the health of the planet. Just because people don't believe in the climate change hoax doesn't mean that they disrespect the planet and have no concern for it. Straw man argument to claim a fallacious conclusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tug Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Change is real I’ve witnessed it in my owne lifetime to deny is ignorance at best to deny willfully is sinful we must evolve responsibly towards renewables it won’t happen overnight but happen it must Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Tug said: Change is real I’ve witnessed it in my owne lifetime to deny is ignorance at best to deny willfully is sinful we must evolve responsibly towards renewables it won’t happen overnight but happen it must More like it SHOULD happen but probably won't. I recommend people watch Simon Reeve's The Americas which touches on a lot of direct evidence of these changes already happening. Particularly dramatic is the testimony of a pilot in Alaska who has been flying over the same glacial area for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder26 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tug said: Change is real I’ve witnessed it in my owne lifetime to deny is ignorance at best to deny willfully is sinful we must evolve responsibly towards renewables it won’t happen overnight but happen it must The climate changes. It's a fact. It's a natural occuring thing. By saying that people are repsonsible for this on a global scale is a hoax. Yes, if people cause deforestation over a large area, then it can cause climate change for that area. The problem is UN is preparing a global tax on CO2 that has nothing to do with rising temperatures. What they do is just talk and talk but no action. Desertification is a real problem, so a good plan in starting expanding forests would be a good idea. Air pollution is another major problem. Serious plan in tackling the sources of pm 2.5 is needed and then implemented. All this talk they do is just for more money in the budget of UN, they don't care about anything else, just pretend and talk, talk, talk... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 With the denialist brigade, everything is a hoax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marqus12 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 It's about: 1. Selling expensive and inefficient windmills, solar panels, etc. 2. Reducing the competitiveness of other countries by raising energy costs. 3. increasing the debt of competitors' economies. Everything else is a pulp for the masses pushed to the throat with a shoe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: With the denialist brigade, everything is a hoax. I think "conspiracy" is a marginally better word. This time it is NASA with Stanley Kubrick providing the images. Now,now,don't tell me that Stanley is actually deceased as I saw him entering the building as Elvis was leaving it just the other day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Oh, I think the head in the sand brigade are ignoring enough reality for us all. surely our heads should be underwater by now not in the sand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Tug said: Change is real of course change is real NOTHING stays the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chazar Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Particularly dramatic is the testimony of a pilot in Alaska who has been flying over the same glacial area for decades. and is so concerned he cant stop flying over it ,one of the biggest polluters according to the climate brigade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryingdick Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chazar said: not "would" I always like the vagueness.........Maldives still there Even if the Maldives go underwater it is just Mother Nature reclaiming them. Water gets a little deeper, people go away, reefs thrive without people and a unique natural area is born. Okay what about Bangkok sinking? Well Bangkok is an atrocity to Mother Earth the planet is better off without Bangkok, NYC, LA, etc. Coastal mega cities produce the largest share of pollution anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 27 minutes ago, Chazar said: surely our heads should be underwater by now not in the sand? Ah, the humour of deniers...just like their grasp of the dangers we face-it just isn’t funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Chazar said: and is so concerned he cant stop flying over it ,one of the biggest polluters according to the climate brigade It's a she. It's a very small plane. But I take it you're not really interested in what she observed and what it means to the future of our planet, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Correction. My memory was off about the Root glacier changes in Alaska. The pilot had only been flying over it for 15 years, not decades. But guess what? That's even more of a dramatic report then. She reports in ONLY 15 YEARS she has personally witnessed very dramatic changes in that same place (35 miles long and 2 miles wide). Yes, things change naturally over many thousands and millions of years. Ocean areas can become deserts. But that quickly? Come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Off-topic, troll post and posts violating Fair Use Policy removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 He's good at signalling, isn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tounge Thaied Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 hours ago, snoop1130 said: Island countries that could disappear due to rising sea levels Well that's definitive. There is no climate change consensus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 59 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Correction. My memory was off about the Root glacier changes in Alaska. The pilot had only been flying over it for 15 years, not decades. But guess what? That's even more of a dramatic report then. She reports in ONLY 15 YEARS she has personally witnessed very dramatic changes in that same place (35 miles long and 2 miles wide). Yes, things change naturally over many thousands and millions of years. Ocean areas can become deserts. But that quickly? Come on now. there are reports every decade since 1920 that arctic is melting, so thats every 10 years. regardless, arctic was 7ft thick 1958 and is 8.3 ft thick today, so its growing when its not melting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, brokenbone said: there are reports every decade since 1920 that arctic is melting, so thats every 10 years. regardless, arctic was 7ft thick 1958 and is 8.3 ft thick today, so its growing when its not melting That sounds really credible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jingthing said: That sounds really credible. i have proof, but its archived newspaper articles and unlike graphs its not clear if those data falls under fair use, -scott deleted them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Jingthing said: Correction. My memory was off about the Root glacier changes in Alaska. The pilot had only been flying over it for 15 years, not decades. But guess what? That's even more of a dramatic report then. She reports in ONLY 15 YEARS she has personally witnessed very dramatic changes in that same place (35 miles long and 2 miles wide). Yes, things change naturally over many thousands and millions of years. Ocean areas can become deserts. But that quickly? Come on now. That only confirms there has been warming, not the cause. It's either getting warmer or colder. It never stays the same. Glaciers are growing in other areas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Get on a plane, fly half way around the world to deliver a speech. Imagine there was all sorts of security and he needed additional space. So, let's say the entire first class cabin? How does that help this cause? Malaysia capital of oil palm plantations and deforestation. The message emplores what's left of the middle class and the working poor to do their bit. Obama will just have another piece of cake. How does eight years of useless wars he is responsible for in central Asia help warming? Obama has taken up the gauntlet now Gore has been outed as a fraud. In the end who cares? China will do nothing. Because China will do nothing, US will do nothing. Corporations will do nothing. 3 billion poor will do nothing. 3 billion middle and up really don't care. Let's all stop the noise and pretending and accept our fate. Hypocrite much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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