Thai cultural Buddhism and Lying?

[rockyysdt]

Does cultural Buddhism (not that taught by the Buddha) as practiced by Thais give scope to, or allow lying and/or deception in given circumstances?

 

Do Thai's knowingly lie (breaking of the Precept "refrain from wrongful speech") with the conviction that this is permitted in certain situations?

Edited December 30, 2019 by rockyysdt

[neeray]

A Thai has never lied to me ????

[from the home of CC]

if you're talking about hypocrites, western religions produce a lot more than over here lol..

[RJRS1301]

13 minutes ago, neeray said:

A Thai has never lied to me ????

Have they told you, an "alternative truth"??

[mauGR1]

As far as i know, between religious, cultural, moral tenets, and situations one can be in real life, there is a vast land.

Some people would lie for gain, some for face, some out of fear, very few people can say they have never lied in their life.

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

if you're talking about hypocrites, western religions produce a lot more than over here lol..

But it's difficult to count them exactly, isn't it ?

There are infinite degrees of hypocrisy.

[cyril sneer]

not sure it has anything to do with Buddhism 

 

if a culture is better at lying than telling the truth, it's likely they will continue to do what they are better at

[from the home of CC]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

But it's difficult to count them exactly, isn't it ?

There are infinite degrees of hypocrisy.

hypocritical behavior is common due to the fact we're humans and not gods, what irks me the most are those who call out others for the violation of the 'rules' while they themselves are 'sinning' -  

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

hypocritical behavior is common due to the fact we're humans and not gods, what irks me the most are those who call out others for the violation of the 'rules' while they themselves are 'sinning' -  

Agree, i also noticed that very often the so called moralists are the worst of the bunch.

Yet i'm convinced that every part of the planet has its fair share of hypocrites.

[RJRS1301]

24 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Agree, i also noticed that very often the so called moralists are the worst of the bunch.

Yet i'm convinced that every part of the planet has its fair share of hypocrites.

Probably per capita more in Vactican City

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, RJRS1301 said:

Probably per capita more in Vactican City

... Or any government buildings

[rockyysdt]

44 minutes ago, from the home of CC said:

hypocritical behavior is common due to the fact we're humans and not gods, what irks me the most are those who call out others for the violation of the 'rules' while they themselves are 'sinning' -  

Of that we are agreed.

 

The vast majority are afflicted by the three poisons.

 

I'm specifically narrowing this down to Buddhism & lying.

 

Is there something in the Thai Buddhist cultural psyche that allows lying?

[from the home of CC]

2 minutes ago, rockyysdt said:

Of that we are agreed.

 

The vast majority are afflicted by the three poisons.

 

I'm specifically narrowing this down to Buddhism & lying.

 

Is there something in the Thai Buddhist cultural psyche that allows lying?

I think the catholics are the champions of this..

[digibum]

Despite Thais claiming to be devout Buddhists, I doubt 50% could even recite the precepts.  They also seldom meditate.  They drink (hell, many supposedly religious rites often end up with the males wasted and gambling).  
 

I often surprise Thais about things the Buddha taught because they follow more of a tradition of Buddhism (going to temples, respecting monks, etc) than intellectually engaging with Buddhism or the Dharma.   
 

I don’t think they’re being hypocrites.  Most truly have very little understanding of actual Buddhism.   
 

They just know they are Buddhists. 
 

But how many Christians, evenly those that consider themselves religious, know the Ten Commandments by heart?  How many have actually studied the theology of Christianity vs just listening to sermons?  
 

How many of those type of people preach loving thy neighbor in church on Sunday  but won’t talk to the actual gay neighbor?   
 

[khaowong1]

I don't think that the Thai's are unique in this concept.  Most Thai's are Buddhist in name only.  As most Christians are in name only.  But they sure do have lying down to an art.  ha ha ha 

[jamesc2000]

And what is exactly wrong with lying?

 

Some men expect it and like it very much.

 

I have heard many Thai ladies in those drinking establishment telling their customers You very handsome man.

 

Now I can accept in some cases these ladies have less than perfect vision and they forgot to wear their glasses but I have never heard any man complain about this.

 

I also never complain as in my case it was true.

 

????  

[jamesc2000]

1 minute ago, jamesc2000 said:

 

 

I also never complain as in my case it was true.

 

????  

I am just kidding.

 

It is true but I don't want people to think that I am not being modest.

[jamesc2000]

6 minutes ago, jamesc2000 said:

 

I am just kidding.

 

It is true but I don't want people to think that I am not being modest

 

????  

My big ego cannot take it 

 

if people think I am less than modest and not humble.

 

????

 

Paradox of non duality or is it paradox or duality.

 

I can never work out which is which.

Edited February 7, 2020 by jamesc2000

[samsensam]

 

John 8:7

[thequietman]

On 12/30/2019 at 7:01 PM, digibum said:

They just know they are Buddhists. 

I disagree. They are a little part of everything out there. A little bit Buddhist, animist and Hindu, with a sprinkling of whatever else, to suit their circumstances.

They are sooo far from being Buddhist, it's scary.

 

Many believe the nonsense that the Buddha came to Thailand, and that large concrete foot mark that you see all over this country, is actually His. ????

 

My apologies, but Buddhist in name only and that's at a stretch.

[jamesc2000]

7 minutes ago, jamesc2000 said:

Paradox of non duality or is it paradox or duality.

 

I can never work out which is which.

I never subscribe to this duality mumbo jumbo.

 

To me its either duality exist or it doesn't exist.

 

Not both.

 

???? 

Edited February 7, 2020 by jamesc2000

[jamesc2000]

15 minutes ago, thequietman said:

I disagree. They are a little part of everything out there. A little bit Buddhist, animist and Hindu, with a sprinkling of whatever else, to suit their circumstances.

They are sooo far from being Buddhist, it's scary.

 

Many believe the nonsense that the Buddha came to Thailand, and that large concrete foot mark that you see all over this country, is actually His. ????

 

My apologies, but Buddhist in name only and that's at a stretch.

Some of them even believe a Buddha amulet will protect them from a bullet.

 

If anyone is looking for one and willing to pay me a lot of money for it I might just be willing to sell it to the lucky person.

 

????

[jamesc2000]

But the person must be sincere and the more they offer will show their sincerity.

 

????

 

And if they get shot I will even offer a full refund unless the person was not sincere and that cause the amulet not to work.

 

Then no refund in this case.

[jamesc2000]

And absolutely no refunds if you get shot and didn't die.

 

You living showed the amulet was working perfectly.

 

If it didn't you will dead.

 

????

 

Only a full refund if it didn't work.

[jamesc2000]

I don't want to be accused of lying or misleading people.

 

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