earlinclaifornia Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, rgraham said: You are quoting yahoo news? Hillarious! Post a reliable web site. I 'm now quite curios what you might offer me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said: Post a reliable web site. I 'm now quite curios what you might offer me? I thought as much, you have zero response. I however do have a list and surprise Yahoo news is eighth! So while we all wait, let's all LAUGH at you for the time being. https://blog.feedspot.com/usa_news_websites/ Edited January 8, 2020 by earlinclaifornia clarity 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jany123 Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: Ah, appeasement is your solution. How did that work out for Chamberlain? Are you seriously equating nazi Germany to Iran? Anyway... appeasement? The us is the aggressor... appeasement would be if Iran bows down to the economical blackmail and proxy wars being waged against it by the us, if you logically follow your line of thinking. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhunFred Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 A surprising pushback to the military industrial complex. Is anyone listening??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Inflammatory post reported and removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHolmesJr Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 The price of oil went up $1 after those strikes. Puts paid to the notion that the world can't afford Iran being given a lesson in behaving like a decent global citizen. Well worth the $1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benmart Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 19 hours ago, bristolboy said: That analogy only works if Chamberlain had provoked Hitler in the first place. Trump put policies into place that were expressly designed to lead to the overthrow of the Iranian government. Did Chamberlain do that to Hitler? The infallible mark of a warlover is that they invoke Hitler when circumstances don't warrant it. It's one way of putting a hold on critical thinking. Critical thinking is a term used by those in this forum to somehow validate a hypothesis based on nothing more than anonymity and warlover name calling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 11:48 AM, bristolboy said: That analogy only works if Chamberlain had provoked Hitler in the first place. Trump put policies into place that were expressly designed to lead to the overthrow of the Iranian government. Did Chamberlain do that to Hitler? The infallible mark of a warlover is that they invoke Hitler when circumstances don't warrant it. It's one way of putting a hold on critical thinking. 23 hours ago, Mick501 said: Presumably by "critical thinking", you mean "how can we find a way to criticise Trump." It would have to be a presumption since nothing in my comments supports your contention. I accurately pointed out the huge flaw in the analogy. Let me make it simpler for you. Chamberlain did not provoke. Trump, by waging economic warfare on Iran, has. Got it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 9 hours ago, Benmart said: Critical thinking is a term used by those in this forum to somehow validate a hypothesis based on nothing more than anonymity and warlover name calling. Well, since you yourself are anonymous, does that mean your comment is invalid? Is there anybody in this forum whose identity is known? That said, the poster in question in the past has repeatedly voiced his support for Trump because he has promised to disentangle himself from the kind of conflicts his predecessors had supported. And like most Trump supporters here, when Trump reverses himself, oddly enough, so do they. As for the critical thinking part, I clearly pointed out why his analogy is obviously wrongheaded. And that's apart from the obviously ridiculous comparison likening Iran to the Third Reich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick501 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, bristolboy said: It would have to be a presumption since nothing in my comments supports your contention. I accurately pointed out the huge flaw in the analogy. Let me make it simpler for you. Chamberlain did not provoke. Trump, by waging economic warfare on Iran, has. Got it? Ooh, look at you all triggered. What is it like living in perpetual outrage? So Trump provoked the last 40 years of Iranian hostilities? Ok, got it. As for your laughable suggestion that you are capable of critical thinking, you don't even need to look past your posts on this thread. As with all TDS sufferers, you use the "outrage first" model of thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, Mick501 said: Ooh, look at you all triggered. What is it like living in perpetual outrage? So Trump provoked the last 40 years of Iranian hostilities? Ok, got it. As for your laughable suggestion that you are capable of critical thinking, you don't even need to look past your posts on this thread. As with all TDS sufferers, you use the "outrage first" model of thinking. Is what produced here your idea of critical thinking? Critical thinking requires analysis, not mere claims. No Trump didn't provoke the last 40 years of Iranian hostilities. Just the last few. And he's the guy who promised to reduce the US presence in the Mideast, not enlarge it. Instead he's now following a course that delights the neocons. Complete with lies. Campaign promise massively broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick501 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Is what produced here your idea of critical thinking? Critical thinking requires analysis, not mere claims. No Trump didn't provoke the last 40 years of Iranian hostilities. Just the last few. And he's the guy who promised to reduce the US presence in the Mideast, not enlarge it. Instead he's now following a course that delights the neocons. Complete with lies. Campaign promise massively broken. So you think it would be a good idea to keep the guy alive who has killed 608 Americans and countless Iranians, Iraqis and Yemenis. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mick501 said: So you think it would be a good idea to keep the guy alive who has killed 608 Americans and countless Iranians, Iraqis and Yemenis. Got it. So you think it's a good idea to get the US kicked out of Iraq? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick501 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 hours ago, bristolboy said: So you think it's a good idea to get the US kicked out of Iraq? You read that in one of your far left publications, huh? If you read a normal newspaper you will find out that has not happened as such, and well may not. Clear that you are well in the terrorist camp though. No balancing act for you about the lesser evil. Just keep the terrorist alive at all costs. Or more likely whatever feeble excuse you can find to in your mind justify your hate for Trump. Critical thinking? How about rational thinking first. Baby steps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CG1 Blue Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mick501 said: You read that in one of your far left publications, huh? If you read a normal newspaper you will find out that has not happened as such, and well may not. Clear that you are well in the terrorist camp though. No balancing act for you about the lesser evil. Just keep the terrorist alive at all costs. Or more likely whatever feeble excuse you can find to in your mind justify your hate for Trump. Critical thinking? How about rational thinking first. Baby steps. I do find it odd how those on the left seem to turn a blind eye to the atrocities carried out by the Iranian dictatorship, the brutal oppression and murder of it's own citizens, oppression of women, homosexuals etc., and the mass killings by it's proxy fighters across the ME. But as soon as Trump does or says something about it he's the devil incarnate! Like our own Jeremy Corbyn refusing to say Soleimani was a terrorist when asked 4 times 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, CG1 Blue said: I do find it odd how those on the left seem to turn a blind eye to the atrocities carried out by the Iranian dictatorship, the brutal oppression and murder of it's own citizens, oppression of women, homosexuals etc., and the mass killings by it's proxy fighters across the ME. But as soon as Trump does or says something about it he's the devil incarnate! Yes, by all means, let's protest Iran and hold them to account. But meanwhile, if you're Trump, it's fine to be buddy buddy with every oppressive dictator in the world who does exactly the same kind of things, starting off that list with Putin, MBS in Saudi Arabia, and Kim... But for some reason, Trump and Co. have a hard on for Iran, and not so bothered about all the others. Edited January 10, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samuttodd Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 (edited) The left wing and the right wing are both on the same lying bird. Thought this was interesting. Remember the Bay of Pigs? because history has just repeated. The current equivalent which mirrors the intent of the US-sponsored Cuban exiles that sought to reverse Fidel Castro's Cuban Revolution is MEK, an Iranian dissident group formally designated by the U.S. government as a terrorist organization -until Rudy Giuliani helped get the outfit off the terror list. MEK is the Farsi acronym for People's Mojahedin of Iran. Needless to say, they also sound like another version of Oliver North's freedom fighters, and that is the context of the current struggle between Iran and the US. "I'm one of those people who's convinced there has to be regime change in Iran,' Giuliani said. He called Iranian supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei an 'irrational actor' and Soleimani's 'destruction' a good thing." MEK hailed the killing of Soleimani as a major victory and a step towards the removal of the Iranian regime. Needless to say, that expectation was not realized because the uprising which was supposed to lead to that result never happened. Remember the Bay of Pigs? That effort to trigger an American-backed war also failed. John Bolton is a longtime MEK ally, and his current desire to "inform" the Senate at Trump's impeachment hearing was probably linked to the killing of Soleimani. Bolton thought that provocative air attacks against Iran were a prelude to regime change and he was invariably looking for a forum to praise Ayatollah Trump, but the war he was itching to trigger never happened. When Trump authorized the strike that killed Iran's top general, Qassem Soleimani, Giuliani jubilantly said, Soleimani was "directly responsible for killing some of my MEK people. We don't like him very much." If Bolton wants to deliver the very same message to the Senate, he should. In the 1980s, the MEK served as a private militia fighting for Saddam Hussein during the Iran-Iraq War. Today, it has a different paymaster: the group is believed to be funded, in the millions of dollars, by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. In Washington, D.C., as in Paris, France, the MEK pays tens of thousands of dollars in speaking fees to US officials. Bolton, in particular, is a long-time paid supporter of the MEK, reportedly receiving as much as $180,000 for his appearances at the group's events. Is that what he wants to tell the Senate? MEK is awash with cash that it doesn't just pay the speakers; it buys the audience, too. Those young Poles and Czechs who traveled to hear Giuliani's speech on June 30 came not out of fascination with Trump's lawyer but for the free weekend in Paris they were offered. The only thing the MEK's money can't buy is popular support among Iranians. The MEK was ounded in the early 1960s, it was the first opposition group to take up arms against the repressive regime of the Shah. Its ideology was based on a blend of Marxism and Islamism, and the group enjoyed widespread support inside Iran in the 1970s. But a series of missteps saw its popularity dramatically dwindle. After the Shah was deposed, the group's rivalry with Ayatollah Khomeini came to a head not long after the MEK opposed Khomeini's decision to release the fifty-two American embassy staff held hostage by Iran, and instead, called for their execution. In fact, only a few years earlier, as part of a campaign targeting the Shah's regime, the MEK assassinated three US Army colonels and three US contractors, in addition to bombing the facilities of several US companies. US hawks have no problem with the MEK's terrorist capacities because the group's utility is clear. NBC reported that Israel's spy agency, the Mossad, relied on MEK operatives to assassinate Iranian nuclear scientists during Iran and Israel's secret dirty war between 2010 and 2012. Clearly, Trump was viewed to be the best hope of this opposition group in exile and the failure to dictate the political reality in Iran, or to eliminate the threat of the Iranian regime is clearly longstanding rather than the imminent danger the Trump regime fraudulently identifies. Lindsey Graham said "it was magical" when he was asked about the intelligence that lead to the death of Soleimani, and that is not at all surprising because Republicans believe in Fairy Tales. Their "regime change" chants have failed to change Iran's regime and it is time for them to stop starting wars through the pretense that they are merely trying to stop them. MEK-linked Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, used the media in effort to generate support for a war agains Iran. He insisted that Iran's regime was definitively to blame for attacks on Saudi oil production facilities for which Tehran-backed Houthi rebels had taken credit. According to Pompeo, the attacks, which hit an oilfield and a production facility, "could not have come from the Houthis. It's crazy for anyone to assert that they did," Pompeo said on CBS's "Face the Nation." "This was an act of war. ... This was a state-on-state act of war." There is no mystery behind the consequence of Mike Pompeo's deliberate policy of escalating tensions with Iran, targeting its economy and supporting Iranian opposition groups. MEK's greatest friends and allies had the ear of the president and the war party in Washington engaged acts of war in effort to change the regime in Iran without going to Congress, to obtain the required, legal right. Vice President, Mike Pense tried to justify the targeted killing of General Qassem Soleimaniof by saying, "there was a compelling case of an imminent threat" and he should be impeached for that lie. Tit for tat failed to resolve anything and it is now time to develop diplomatic ties which are necessary and essential for the purpose of finding alternative solutions to war. Illegal, cold war methodology will never lead to anything beyond hot, mutually destructive war and that is not acceptable. War criminals murdered 56 Canadians when they shot down a plane to punish Iranians for launching missiles at US bases in Iraq. Jordan initially claimed the plane was taken down by Iran, but Iranians were the victims, not the war criminals of the crisis incited by the targeted killing of an Iranian General. Ironically, Iran acted overtly but the retaliation was covert. Tit for tat was unexpected, but there you have it. Surface to air missile attacks are fired by terrorists, they are not accidents. 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thaibeachlovers Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 20 hours ago, bristolboy said: That said, the poster in question in the past has repeatedly voiced his support for Trump because he has promised to disentangle himself from the kind of conflicts his predecessors had supported. That better not be referring to me. If it is I'd ask you to prove it, but you never do when I catch you telling untruths about me, so I won't bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 29 minutes ago, samuttodd said: Remember the Bay of Pigs? That effort to trigger an American-backed war also failed. It failed because Kennedy refused to allow American support. How does that equate to today's conflict with Iran? A more direct equivalent would have been if Trump had NOT ordered the guy's death. BTW, your post is too long to bother reading all the way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: It failed because Kennedy refused to allow American support. How does that equate to today's conflict with Iran? A more direct equivalent would have been if Trump had NOT ordered the guy's death. BTW, your post is too long to bother reading all the way through. A pity. You would have learnt something. It was a very well thought out post stating facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Sujo said: A pity. You would have learnt something. It was a very well thought out post stating facts. Yes it looked interesting. However when one has only a couple of hours to spend on here, and many sub forums to look at, a long post does not get read, whoever posted it. By tomorrow, it will be pages back, so never going to be read anyway. I rarely go back more than the second to last page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyTheMook Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 7:29 PM, rgraham said: A little off subject but is there a 'good' picture of Pelosi anywhere? She really looks the hot mess, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramen087 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 If the current us president was a democrat, they’d be shouting from the rooftops about his decisive, bold and appropriate action... and so it goes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricTh Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 President Trump will probably be voted in for a second term after this chest-thumping stunt. Some people are bloodthirsty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said: That better not be referring to me. If it is I'd ask you to prove it, but you never do when I catch you telling untruths about me, so I won't bother. Unfortunately, Thaivisa has truncated the number of backposts available for inspection. I do recall you recently praising Trump for not getting tens of thousands killed in foreign wars. When I pointed out to you that none of the presidents since Richard Nixon except for George W. Bush could truthfully be accused of that, my comment was met with silence on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Ramen087 said: If the current us president was a democrat, they’d be shouting from the rooftops about his decisive, bold and appropriate action... and so it goes... Got any more alternative versions of reality to offer as evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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