U.S. Democrats to press for impeachment witnesses throughout trial

[SymS]

On 1/10/2020 at 7:57 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Keep in mind this is Trump’s first impeachment.

 

Congress are still actively seeking access to evidence and witnesses that may well lead to a second impeachment.

For a while, I've expected the following timeline:

1. Trump gets impeached by congress

2. Trump gets acquitted by the senate

3. Trump gets reelected

4. Shortly after re-election, Trump is caught jaywalking on camera, the second impeachment proceedings start.

[Nyezhov]

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

trump did not receive the electorate majority of voters for a mandate to re-shape the judiciary in this political image - Fact.

Trump won the election: Fact. The fact that he did not win the popular vote is like saying the team that lost the Super Bowl had more passing yards.

 

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

As you say by a electoral college process which is well overdue for review, as is gerrymandering. 

Let me know when its changed. Until then, reality is defined as WHAT IS vis a vis what you hope it should be.

 

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

A link below for yet another reason is unfit for the Presidency. At one of his recent rallies he made 120 'fact free' statements in a two hour period.

I wanted to start a topic about Great Examples of Political Hyperbole but the software stops at 5000 pages and that wont even get me to Llyod George.

 

If you use alleged lies as showing basic unfitness for office, then there will be no one left. You can keep your Doctor and Your plan. I did not have sex with that woman. I never talked about the Ukraine with my son...oh wait, let me guess, Trumps lies are worse. OK then.

 

Its so tiresome. Donald Trump is not Satan incarnate, and the world is going very nicely, and would go even nice if folks would just put aside their anger and work together. To you anti Trumpers: Hes not gonna get impeached. Hes going to get relected. You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. If you cant find a rep to work with the Admin in solving real problems, that fact that these problems dont get solved is your fault too, isnt it.

 

The Dems are always being an angry buzz kill. Chill. Mellow out. Life is great!

Edited January 11, 2020 by Nyezhov

[Sujo]

7 minutes ago, Longcut said:

Really? Then why was he not allowed to call the so-called Whistleblower?

Because both dems and repubs agree that whistleblowers should be protected. Also all claims made by him have been testified to by others. So his evidence cannot advance the matter.

 

Also, repubs spent months saying it was hearsay, not even 3rd hand. So if its that bad why call him.

[Longcut]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Because both dems and repubs agree that whistleblowers should be protected. Also all claims made by him have been testified to by others. So his evidence cannot advance the matter.

 

Also, repubs spent months saying it was hearsay, not even 3rd hand. So if its that bad why call him.

to prove that is is/was in fact hearsay.

[Ricohoc]

The law regarding protection of whistleblowers is relevant to protecting them from retaliation in their jobs, not hiding their identity.  See the WPA and the WPAE federal regs.

 

In the case of the current gossipblower, whose information was all 2nd and 3rd hand, the call for him to testify was relevant in learning which employees within the federal government were sharing classified information with those without clearance and to learn if House Intelligence Committee Chairman Schiff and his staff orchestrated the claim.

 

When Trump declassified the phone call transcript with Ukraine, Democrats were caught off guard.  Dems didn't think Trump would do it and would claim executive privilege.  Dems had planned to use the gossipblower for more innuendo and political theater because the unknown content of the phone call would never be released.  Witnesses called by Democrats in their impeachment hearing, who had been listening to the call, verified that the transcript of the call was accurate.  Backfire.

 

Democrats are the undisputed Champions of Unintended Consequences.

[simple1]

3 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

The Dems are always being an angry buzz kill.

More spin from trump and his sycophants - the exact opposite is true. it is trump who is constantly whining. Fact!...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/07/anatomy-trump-rally-percent-claims-are-false-or-lacking-evidence/

[seajae]

On 1/10/2020 at 7:04 AM, Lungstib said:

Its not really a trial. From legal-dictionary; "The chief purpose of a trial is to secure fair and impartial administration of justice between the parties to the action". There is nothing 'impartial' about a senate full of politicians who are expected to toe the party line.

you mean like the dems already did to start the impeachment

 

[Nyezhov]

33 minutes ago, simple1 said:

More spin from trump and his sycophants - the exact opposite is true. it is trump who is constantly whining. Fact!...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/07/anatomy-trump-rally-percent-claims-are-false-or-lacking-evidence/

I dont know any Trump supporters who come on message Boards about Thailand to whine about the President LOL

[bristolboy]

16 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

I dont know any Trump supporters who come on message Boards about Thailand to whine about the President LOL

How clueless can a comment be? These are Trump defenders right? So why would they go on any message board "to whine", as you put it, about the President? But what about when Obama was President? Were they saying only sweet things about him? What message boards were their comments confined to?

[mogandave]

25 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You made your position very clear. I just hope that your personal position on morality is not compromised by your loyalty to Trump. 

It is curious that when you get called out as a liar you want to lecture me on morality.

 

I would much prefer Trump wasn’t so rude and crude, but as long as he is attempting to slow the leftward shift of the country I’ll support him. 

 

 

[bristolboy]

8 hours ago, Longcut said:

to prove that is is/was in fact hearsay.

except, of course, virtually everything reported by the whistleblower has since been confirmed.

Overwhelming Confirmation of Whistleblower Complaint: An Annotation

https://www.justsecurity.org/66475/ukraine-ukrainegate-overwhelming-confirmation-of-whistleblower-complaint-an-annotation

 

Edited January 11, 2020 by bristolboy

[Sujo]

11 hours ago, bristolboy said:

In other words, your claim that the House Democrats were not doing legislating is BS.

As usual. Facts to trump supporters are kryptonite.

[Sujo]

11 hours ago, Longcut said:

I must clarify. He doesn't need them for the Senate trial. He will be cleared by the Senate. 

Which doesnt mean he will be cleared by the voting public. Do you want to know the truth?

[Sujo]

His complaint was already verified by testimony by those he said knew about it. His complaint was what people told him, they confirmed they told him. He can add nothing.

 

whether what they told him is true is a separate issue.

[metisdead]

Troll posts and the replies have been removed. 

[Sujo]

7 hours ago, seajae said:

you mean like the dems already did to start the impeachment

 

You mean like congress does not do a trial, only investigation. The trial in the senate is to be fair and balanced. Thats the iath senators must take.

 

Thought based reasoning is not strong for trump supporters.

[Kelsall]

11 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

The Dems are always being an angry buzz kill. Chill. Mellow out. Life is great!

Indeed.  It seems that to many Dems, Leftists, Trump-haters, etc, life is war. 

Edited January 11, 2020 by Kelsall

[Catoholic]

 Joe and Hunter Biden on the witness stand? I can only hope...

[winslowsjardine]

7 hours ago, bristolboy said:

How clueless can a comment be? These are Trump defenders right? So why would they go on any message board "to whine", as you put it, about the President? But what about when Obama was President? Were they saying only sweet things about him? What message boards were their comments confined to?

Fair point, but a bit harsh.

[bristolboy]

On 1/10/2020 at 9:32 PM, mogandave said:

How have any of them helped Americans? 
 

 

You make a good point. Almost none of them have helped Americans. And that's because the Senate won't act on them.

[simple1]

14 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

I dont know any Trump supporters who come on message Boards about Thailand to whine about the President LOL

But plenty of trump supporters on TV whining about the Dems - again nonsensical spin by you

[Nyezhov]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

But plenty of trump supporters on TV whining about the Dems - again nonsensical spin by you

Well here then I'll solve the problem, I'll work with all of the Trump supporters never to complain about the dems again if all of you anti trumper's never complain about him anymore. ????????????

 

and might be tough for some people, because the only thing they do is post anti-trump stuff

[metisdead]

A troll post using a trolling representation of Trump's name has been removed. 

[simple1]

55 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Well here then I'll solve the problem, I'll work with all of the Trump supporters never to complain about the dems again if all of you anti trumper's never complain about him anymore. ????????????

 

and might be tough for some people, because the only thing they do is post anti-trump stuff

Fine, but personally will not stop posting criticism of trump when its due. e.g. trump calling out those who disagree with him as 'scum'.

 

trump is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

[simple1]

55 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Well here then I'll solve the problem, I'll work with all of the Trump supporters never to complain about the dems again if all of you anti trumper's never complain about him anymore. ????????????

 

and might be tough for some people, because the only thing they do is post anti-trump stuff

Fine, but personally will not stop posting criticism of trump when its due. e.g. trump calling out those who disagree with him as 'scum'.

 

trump is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

[Nyezhov]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

trump is unfit to represent the Office of the President of the USA.

See...ya cant help yerself  

[simple1]

57 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

See...ya cant help yerself  

truth will eventually win

[Longcut]

I know the truth. He hasn't done anything other past presidents haven't done. Also, it hasn't been proved that he has done anything at all. It is just that the Lefties are making a mockery of the system and themselves to prove how inept they are on anything that has to do with running the government. Which is why, 2020 will be their demise. 

Edited January 12, 2020 by Longcut

[Nyezhov]

13 minutes ago, simple1 said:

truth will eventually win

See dude thats the problem. Im willing to debate anyone anytime on any policy or sociopolitical matter as long as they are willing to listen, because thats what debate is and thats what life is too, a competing soup of ideas that is only tasty when its well blended and the flavours meld.

 

But dont hand me dishwater and tell me its Vichyssoise. Dont tell me that you have the "truth" when all you are doing is offering the same old same old.  Truth is when folks take opposite positions and blend them into a reality that works for both of them, without hyperbole and putting their own ego needs aside. Truth means a balanced and nuanced view of reality, not a screech of endless media driven innuendo without the ability to ascertain subtlety and alternative explanations. Truth means asking yourself the questions that naturally flow from your perception of what the truth is. And if you ask yourselves the questions, honestly, and answer them honestly, then you are on a search for truth and ready to debate like an adult

 

With all due repect, your folks chanting the same old Trump mantras have to get over it already. And with this entire impeachment, ask yourself, how does that help your country? Is their ONE argument you could make that it hurts the country?

 

 

 

 

 

[Longcut]

12 hours ago, Sujo said:

Which doesnt mean he will be cleared by the voting public. Do you want to know the truth?

But, he will be cleared by enough to win re-election.