China building 1,000-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

[JohnOFphon]

Maybe they need mobile hospitals? Like US Army had in Korea...MASH...

[soalbundy]

10 hours ago, rabas said:

Just a question, no point to make. Do you trust the South China Morning Post?

 

Get the full truth from the Daily Express, no compromise. ????

[Geoffggi]

15 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The new hospital is being built around a holiday complex originally intended for local workers, set in gardens by a lake on the outskirts of the city, the official Changjiang Daily reported on Friday. Prefabricated buildings, which will have 1,000 beds, will be put up, it said.

A bit rich calling it a hospital, still would be a big achievement but it will be more like a containment ward surely...!!!

[neeray]

6 hours ago, White Christmas13 said:

I don't believe that BS anyway the concrete slap and footings will never dry in 4 days.

When I was a kid, more than a few decades ago, my father was working in construction. I recall a promotional event where a 3-bedroom bungalow was built in 24 hours. I don't recall if that included the poured foundations or not.

[heybuz]

6 hours ago, White Christmas13 said:

I don't believe that BS anyway the concrete slap and footings will never dry in 4 days.

By adding calcium chloride to the mix it will set in about 2 hrs.

[Kelsall]

10 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Meanwhile, 35,000 people died last year in the USA from plain vanilla flu.  That's almost 100 a day.  Every year, year in, year out.  170 deaths a day in the 2017-2018 flu season in the USA alone.

 

China having 5x the population of the USA, I'd expect them to lose 500 people a day to plain vanilla flu.  Along with 2.5 million hospitalizations related to plain old flu.

 

Keep it in perspective.   SARS killed less than 1000 people, all told.  That's less than China loses in 2 days to the old fashioned flu.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

 

 

Meanwhile, 40 million people have been quarantined.  That's 10 times the number of people in Los Angeles.  This has never happened before.

 

Keep it in perspective.  This is a total disaster.

[Kelsall]

1 hour ago, car720 said:

I have just spoken with staff at my local hospital in Sichuan and all doctors are told they must take part in a lottery to decide who will go.  Every hospital in China the same.  They will have the staff.

Surprised they're not all volunteering.  You know, for the good of the fellow comrades.  From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs.

[TheDark]

5 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Meanwhile, 40 million people have been quarantined.  That's 10 times the number of people in Los Angeles.  This has never happened before.

 

Keep it in perspective.  This is a total disaster.

Could it be that China has dramatically changed since 2003 SARS epidemic. There is no longer culture of hiding what is in front of people and no more inactivity. 

 

I think China wishes to show to the rest of the world that it is willing and can control the spread of the virus. 

 

This naturally doesn't mean that China can stop it altogether, but it can drastically limit the spread. 

 

We can also ask ourselves, if this virus would have started in other parts of the world, would the governments been able to take such actions in so short timespan?

[thequietman]

13 hours ago, URMySunshine said:

China whatever it's faults can teach Thailand a lesson or too in how to deal with a crisis. Which is a bit rich as the vast majority of the wealthy here are of Chinese heritage themselves. I'm thinking SARS ++ - not nice for those poor unfortunates that get infected and ill or die but not a global zombie attack that many are currently fearing and being hyped up on social media with hysterical videos which feed into the sense of panic and despondency. Social media is as much a blessing as a curse especially for developing news. 

Exactly, Thailand is all talk and no action - China, on the other hand are actually doing something. The polar opposite to how things are done/not done here!

 

Since installing large penalties for corruption including death, things can get done there. Just look at the number of new roads that they have built in-country. It is astounding.

[zydeco]

14 hours ago, Traubert said:

With doctors, nurses and trained personnel, it is a hospital.

When they call in the army, it's a camp.

[zydeco]

11 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Meanwhile, 35,000 people died last year in the USA from plain vanilla flu.  That's almost 100 a day.  Every year, year in, year out.  170 deaths a day in the 2017-2018 flu season in the USA alone.

 

China having 5x the population of the USA, I'd expect them to lose 500 people a day to plain vanilla flu.  Along with 2.5 million hospitalizations related to plain old flu.

 

Keep it in perspective.   SARS killed less than 1000 people, all told.  That's less than China loses in 2 days to the old fashioned flu.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html

 

 

But there is a flu vaccine.

[hotchilli]

22 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Chinese city of Wuhan is rapidly building a new 1,000-bed hospital to treat victims of a new coronavirus, mobilising machinery to get it ready by early next week, state media said.

I don't think China is being totally honest, and Thailand is taking this very lightly.... direct flights from Wuhan should be suspended immediately with other Chinese flights checked on entry... if a suspect case is found to be on-board all foreign passengers should be held in quarantine to pass the incubation time.

Thai citizens the same then allowed to go home or continue their holiday.

It's the only way to stop an out-break in it's tracks.

[smutcakes]

10 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

I don't think China is being totally honest, and Thailand is taking this very lightly.... direct flights from Wuhan should be suspended immediately with other Chinese flights checked on entry... if a suspect case is found to be on-board all foreign passengers should be held in quarantine to pass the incubation time.

Thai citizens the same then allowed to go home or continue their holiday.

It's the only way to stop an out-break in it's tracks.

Thailand is taking the same precaution as any other city. I have not read Hong Kong, Japan doing any more? People these days fly all over the place, meet people from all over the place, fly via places to get to other places so not sure how effective flight screening is, but better than nothing.

 

Wuhan flights are already cancelled for a couple of days.

[Traubert]

4 hours ago, zydeco said:

But there is a flu vaccine.

You know when they said it's a novel cornavirus? That's means it isn't a flu and there is no vaccine.

4 hours ago, zydeco said:

When they call in the army, it's a camp.

It's funny you should say that. Everybody is talking about where the doctors and nurses will come from.

 

They flew them in from the Army, Navy and Air Force overnight. Thousands of them, and all the equipment they need.

 

No-one has been press ganged or taken part in a lottery.

[Traubert]

32 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

I don't think China is being totally honest, and Thailand is taking this very lightly.... direct flights from Wuhan should be suspended immediately with other Chinese flights checked on entry... if a suspect case is found to be on-board all foreign passengers should be held in quarantine to pass the incubation time.

Thai citizens the same then allowed to go home or continue their holiday.

It's the only way to stop an out-break in it's tracks.

Perhaps you should read the daily reports from the World Health Organisation then? Oddly enough they corroborate what they Chinese say. I don't think any country is taking it lightly as the WHO is actively involved and offering advice.

 

Your other point has been addressed.

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[observer90210]

At least they are taking it seriously.

 

How did the nightmare start ? .. the origins of this doomsday virus ?....

[Traubert]

5 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

At least they are taking it seriously.

 

How did the nightmare start ? .. the origins of this doomsday virus ?....

The selling of wild animals for food in a wholesale wet market in Wuhan.

[zydeco]

3 hours ago, Traubert said:

You know when they said it's a novel cornavirus? That's means it isn't a flu and there is no vaccine.

Such a deadheaded response, because you didn't go back to read my original message. My response at that time was that this virus was different from traditional flu because regular flu does have a vaccine. You are being substantially disingenuous. 

[URMySunshine]

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

For the moment I will stick to the WHO, and ignore the clickbait alarmists.

These are original sources and I have no reason to doubt the doctor's credentials. I hate clickbait as much as the next man and despise conspiraloons. I sincerely wish it weren't so but I fear the worst now. The Chinese have tried to shut down Wuhan the epicentre and are building 2 hospitals in a week for 2300 folk another 60 million are on lockdown. THEY KNOW. How folk react to this is up to them but no one looks after you and your families but yourself. Forewarned is forearmed. 

 

 

Edited January 25, 2020 by URMySunshine

[URMySunshine]

https://www.ft.com/content/9fb6a68e-3f3a-11ea-bdb5-169ba7be433d

 

Edited January 25, 2020 by URMySunshine

[Traubert]

16 minutes ago, stevenl said:

For the moment I will stick to the WHO, and ignore the clickbait alarmists.

And the people selling crank research. Good move. likewise.

[URMySunshine]

6 minutes ago, Traubert said:

And the people selling crank research. Good move. likewise.

Is Dr Ding a crank ? Then I wish it were so. He seems to have a credible history at first glance. I would be delighted for anyone to disabuse me of my rising paranoia. Yesterday I was batting off unfiltered sources as hysteria within at Wuhan at an overreaction by the Chinese authorities. Now I'm not at all sure.

 

https://harvard.academia.edu/EricDing

Edited January 25, 2020 by URMySunshine

[metisdead]

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[Traubert]

11 minutes ago, URMySunshine said:

These are original sources and I have no reason to doubt the doctor's credentials. I hate clickbait as much as the next man and despise conspiraloons. I sincerely wish it weren't so but I fear the worst now. The Chinese have tried to shut down Wuhan the epicentre and are building 2 hospitals in a week for 2300 folk another 60 million are on lockdown. THEY KNOW. How folk react to this is up to them but no one looks after you and your families but yourself. Forewarned is forearmed. 

 

 

Mate, 96% of people who will be infected will fully recover. It's killed 41 people so far, all with underlying medical issues and mostly in the elderly age bracket.

 

Here's an example of the <deleted> that people are punting about it. Headline "Doctor dies in Corona Virus Hospital.' So he was treating people right? And he caught it and died right? Oh my God if the medics are getting it....

 

No, he was a retired otolarygologist aged 62 called Liang Wudong. Bad luck Dr Liang, but he could have been a dustbinman, thence his profession would not be mentioned. Hysteria isn't helping or informing anyone.

[URMySunshine]

8 minutes ago, Traubert said:

Mate, 96% of people who will be infected will fully recover. It's killed 41 people so far, all with underlying medical issues and mostly in the elderly age bracket.

 

Here's an example of the <deleted> that people are punting about it. Headline "Doctor dies in Corona Virus Hospital.' So he was treating people right? And he caught it and died right? Oh my God if the medics are getting it....

 

No, he was a retired otolarygologist aged 62 called Liang Wudong. Bad luck Dr Liang, but he could have been a dustbinman, thence his profession would not be mentioned. Hysteria isn't helping or informing anyone.

I hope so , I do hope so. My nephew who is married to a Chinese woman and has a baby (currently in the UK) has just replied to my email with that link. My wife is telling me to calm down which is no bad thing. I should add though I have a degree in Microbiology from way back and worked in the pharma industry for 5 years so I have a good nose at rooting out nonsense. That smelt true but the mods were quite right to remove it. He may be a well educated Phd guy shilling his position and riding on and helping to cause hysteria.

 

Nephew's comment. 

 

The report in itself doesn’t make for good reading although it is based on a lot of things they don’t know. The biggest red flag though is a public health scientist with a PHD writing on Twitter “HOLY MOTHER OF GOD - the new coronavirus is a 3.8!!! How bad is that reproductive R0 value? It is thermonuclear pandemic level bad - I’m not exaggerating...” Surely he knows what that could cause? The virus itself will eventually be contained but the instability that it could leave behind will have lasting effects that could derail China for a long time.

Edited January 25, 2020 by URMySunshine

[impulse]

9 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Meanwhile, 40 million people have been quarantined.  That's 10 times the number of people in Los Angeles.  This has never happened before.

 

Keep it in perspective.  This is a total disaster.

 

But is the disease the disaster, or the panic?

 

[URMySunshine]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

But is the disease the disaster, or the panic?

 

We won't have long to wait for that answer. Maybe China have over reacted and caused mass panic or maybe they haven't. I so want the panic scenario to be the true story.  

[impulse]

8 hours ago, zydeco said:

But there is a flu vaccine.

 

Which every year becomes obsolete, and the new one is based on all the people who present themselves sick.  Like they're working on now for this coronavirus.

 

As bad as SARS was, it killed less than 1000 people worldwide.  That was a coronavirus.

 

 

Edited January 25, 2020 by impulse

[Kelsall]

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

But is the disease the disaster, or the panic?

 

You have a point.

[Elkski]

Its prefab buildings  for a quick  hospital.   Probably come with medical gear and bed and linens like that giant cruise ship that's being built. But still requires  a big power drop and water and sewar system.  Sad part is its needed.  

Sounds like CCP blocked and withheld information for first 3-4 weeks on this including arresting some who posted about this new sickness.  I don't think WHO has caught on yet.  I thought the twitter post by the Harvard  epidemiologist  was good.  So many unknowns but the RO of even 2.5 is 2 times  the flu  and sars was like .75 so 3.8 is 8 times  wars plus he felt it was way to late for containment.   If you read it correctly the mathematical models show that containment is one of the most important things to prevent the initial Spike.  He basically said oh my God the cat is out of the bag and we have no vaccine and the kill rate is pretty high as well as the high RO.  One of the initial cases infected 14 people including medical staff. So this virus has what is called Super shredder patients.   I do realize the common flu kills many people each day and I will keep that in mind and I hope this blows over with minimal impact

  But 40 million in lock down?? There was also a CNN reporter who talked about how they snuck out in the early morning hours because they had eight hour notice of the quarantine and they flew out with many thousands and thousands of people. 

If you saw some of the videos with what looks like 500 people in the hallways of a hospital willing to stand there to try to get served yelling and screaming some of them falling down they weren't faking their symptoms so they could be in the last place you would go to prevent infection.  These cities are all many times bigger than Bangkok how many hospitals does Bangkok have so how many hospitals had panicking people coming in like this?