Thai airport says still limiting virus scans as 7th patient reported

[alzack]

58 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Some side effects

Raised blood pressure causing extreme redness to the face often with the vein in the forehead popping

Extreme irritability

Frothing at the mouth

Irrational thoughts

Extreme predjudice

Hate thoughts.

Spasmodic movements of the lower arms, hands and fingers.

 

And that's just from some TVF members reading this thread. 

sounds like the average farang in pattaya Saturday night

[CGW]

37 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Prior this, the road you were on had no injuries or fatalities. Suddenly within a few weeks, thousands of injured, with scores dead. There's your context.

Good try - but as reported - "many of the reported fatalities had preexisting health conditions."

[Thaidream]

50 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Doesn't make sense. First she says one person can spread it to 14 people but the mutated virus spreads to 10 people which lowers the risk. She also says the original virus can be cured.

All BS I thin

Agree completely. This is mass hysteria at work and it will cause more and more people who simply have a cold or the normal flu to go to a hospital and overwhelm  the place.  In fact, the last place I would go to is a hospital unless I had severe respiratory symptoms  such as pneumonia/

 

EThis is not Ebola- it is not necessary to wear hazmat suits.  This disease is similar to the flu which spreads from person to person if in the vicinity of each other. The flu each year  kills more people worldwide than MERS abd SARS combined/

 

I am going to go about my business- and  as usual I always avoid large groups of tourists. Keeping ones hands away from the face and washing ones hands  after an outing has always been a good idea .

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 hours ago, herwin1234 said:

To suggest that Thailand should screen all Chinese tourists is absurd. China is an immense big country, it doesnt make sense to screen ppl who live thousands miles away from infected cities.

 

As of yesterday, virtually every province/region in China was reporting some level of virus spread. It may be centered in and around Wuhan, but it's certainly not limited to only that region at this point.

 

And then, of course, you get to the question of just how transparent the Chinese govt. is being about reporting accurate data on the spread of the virus in its own country.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

According to the data gathered during the SARS epidemic, scanning people as they arrive at airports isn't a particularly effective practice. It's perfectly possible for people in the early stages of the disease to be asymptomatic and so scanning them doesn't do much good. 

 

Ya, but it's better than the alternative of doing nothing and letting everyone just come flooding in unchecked even if they're showing symptoms.

 

[cyril sneer]

11 million tourists a year means average of 30000 Chinese a day, and only 7 reported cases so far, none of which are dead
 

Does that make the virus safer than than the roads here?

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, rooster59 said:

"We will perform a virus scan if the Chinese government announces to watch out for other cities apart from Wuhan and Guangzhou," the General Manager of Suvarnabhumi Airport, Suthirawat Suwannawat, told reporters.

Just scan any inbound flight from China.. trust yourselves not anyone else!

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 hour ago, P100 said:

Yesterday Phuket International Airport had no any fever scans in place. 

 And yet, the Thai news today told us the following in the other running thread on how to prevent catching the virus...

 

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Thailand has already been screening passengers arriving from high risk locations at Suvarnabhumi, Don Mueang, Chiang Mai, Phuket, U-Tapao and Krabi airports, 

 

You kinda have to wonder, is China more opaque that Thailand, or is Thailand more opaque than China?

 

Perhaps, I can only guess, when you passed thru the airport, maybe they didn't have any scheduled arriving flights from Wuhan or similar...

 

Edited January 26, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

It's high time for Thailand to become a province of China. 

I think the boat already sailed on that one....  

[smutcakes]

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 And yet, the Thai news today told us the following in the other running thread on how to prevent catching the virus...

 

 

You kinda have to wonder, is China more opaque that Thailand, or is Thailand more opaque than China?

 

Perhaps, I can only guess, when you passed thru the airport, maybe they didn't have any scheduled arriving flights from Wuhan or similar...

 

I think i read they had a specific area for planes from China to disembark for screening.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

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China’s National Health Commission (NHC) said on Sunday that the new 

coronavirus  is contagious even in its incubation period, which lasts up to 14 days, and that the virus’ ability to spread is getting stronger.
 

Ma Xiaowei, the minister in charge of the NHC, told a press briefing that the authorities’ understanding of the virus was “limited” and they were also unclear on the risks posed by possible mutations.

“The outbreak is expected to continue for some time,” he said.
 

Since the outbreak was first reported in December, more than 2,070 people have been infected with the new coronavirus and 56 killed.

 

 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047701/coronavirus-contagious-even-incubation-stage-chinas-health

 

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The US State Department on Sunday confirmed it would relocate personnel from its Wuhan consulate to the United States and would offer a limited number of seats to private American citizens on a flight expected to leave the city on Tuesday, bound for San Francisco, according to Reuters. Individuals at greatest risk to the coronavirus would be given priority.

 

Edited January 26, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Silurian]

Wuhan Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Global Cases (by JHU CSSE)

 

Not sure if this was shared yet. It is a global map of the virus cases that is continually updated.

 

 

 

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, DrTuner said:

Yes, as evidenced by Taiwan's development. They also don't seem to eat bats there so had the KMT won, this epidemic would probably not be happening.

Unfortunately it seems they do!!

 

Bat dishes are also known in China, which is considered an exotic ye wei dish. In Taiwan, in some shops it is possible to find fried bats. Also known in Sichuan cuisine is a soup made from undigested mosquito from bat droppings. 

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=bat+as+food+in+china&rlz=1C1CHBF_enTH869TH869&oq=bat+as+food&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l6j69i60.32226j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 

 

 

 

[meshborg]

There been a lot in the news lately about over-population.Nature can be ruthless with her ways of dealing with it.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

N95 class face masks... get em while they're hot...because they may not be easy to find:

 

 

[metisdead]

A conspiracy troll post and the replies have been removed. 

 

A post containing unsubstantiated information has been removed.  Please back up your information with a link to your source of information. 

[tomauasia]

Nobody wants Chinese 

[dcnx]

2 hours ago, Thaidream said:

EThis is not Ebola- it is not necessary to wear hazmat suits.  

Yet the Chinese are wearing hazmat suits and placing people in bubbles and boxes.
 

Please continue to armchair the spread of this pandemic with what very little information we all have. It’s entertaining.

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Ya, but it's better than the alternative of doing nothing and letting everyone just come flooding in unchecked even if they're showing symptoms.

The alternative isn't 'doing nothing' - it's properly allocating your finite resources to where they will do the most good. Nobody has unlimited resources and if you allocate time, personnel, equipment and money to things that are not effective then you have fewer resources available to use where they will actually do the most good.

 

As mentioned, during the SARS epidemic, in Canada they used up resources on airport monitoring for absolutely zero benefit as they didn't detect a single infected person.

 

There have been various studies done, that show it's an inefficient use of resources to concentrate on entry screening.

 

One such study points out:

 

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... modeling and observational studies indicate that border screening is not effective at detecting infectious persons. Moreover, border screening has high opportunity costs, financially and in terms of the use of scarce public health staff resources during a time of high need.

 

We conclude that outbreak-associated communications for travelers at border entry points, together with effective communication with clinicians and more effective disease control measures in the community, may be a more effective approach.

Entry Screening for infectious diseases

Edited January 26, 2020 by GroveHillWanderer

[michael888]

Ummm shouldnt they be scaaning everyone?  <deleted>

[ebean001]

before you panic, the USA had 80,000 citizens die of the flu in 2018. No panic, no lock down, little news...just bad health care from a 'for profit' system. i.e pay or no service.

[dcnx]

4 hours ago, jojothai said:

If there is any truth in this, then they may have to shutdown or more rigidly  censor the internet to stop this from being shown as a much bigger crisis. Lockdown of major city areas should already give you some idea how serious it may already be.

If you use twitter you can search for varies hashtags involving the virus and location, then scroll away. You’ll find all sorts of videos. Reddit has a lot too. 
 

There are videos coming from cities that supposedly don’t have infections but people in hazmat suits are carrying people out of buildings and putting them into quarantine vans.

 

Weibo has a LOT of photos and videos too but it seems some of that is getting removed. 

 

 

[purcho]

6 hours ago, BestB said:

People are dropping left , right and center but the superior brains are waiting for China to tell them what to do. 

and you know this how ? Facts please 

[dcnx]

3 minutes ago, ebean001 said:

before you panic, the USA had 80,000 citizens die of the flu in 2018. No panic, no lock down, little news...just bad health care from a 'for profit' system. i.e pay or no service.

It doesn’t strike you as unusual that entire cities are being quarantined and roads dug up / blocked over something that isn’t worse than influenza?

 

Let’s say it mostly only kills the elderly. How many old people do we have in the world who could be at risk? How old are you? How about your parents? Aunts, uncles?

[dcnx]

2 minutes ago, purcho said:

and you know this how ? Facts please 

It’s in the news. The Thais said they are waiting from information from China before they decide to increase screening.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

23 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

The alternative isn't 'doing nothing' - it's properly allocating your finite resources to where they will do the most good. Nobody has unlimited resources and if you allocate time, personnel, equipment and money to things that are not effective then you have fewer resources available to use where they will actually do the most good.

 

As mentioned, during the SARS epidemic, in Canada they used up resources on airport monitoring for absolutely zero benefit as they didn't detect a single infected person.

 

There have been various studies done, that show it's an inefficient use of resources to concentrate on entry screening.

 

One such study points out:

 

 

 

The Thailand airport screening thus far, AFAIK, has detected some incoming confirmed novel coronavirus cases, not to mention a variety of other illnesses.

 

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From January 3-24, 2020, travelers were screened from Wuhan and among 137 flights to the Suvarnabhumi, Don Mueang, Chiang Mai, Phuket, and Krabi airports, 21,522 passengers and aircrew members were screened for respiratory symptoms and febrile illness. Sixty people met the criteria of patients under investigation (PUI). Thirty seven cases recovered from their illnesses and returned to their homes. Most of them were infected with seasonal influenza viruses. Laboratory results identified the novel coronavirus 2019 in five cases (four Chinese cases and one Thai case). Three of them recovered and returned to their homes, when the virus was no longer detected. The other two cases remain in the hospitals, and their conditions are improving.

https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/news/news_no6_250163.pdf

 

So that's at least 5 cases that didn't make it out into broader Thai society with the potential to continue spreading the virus. I see that as a positive result.

 

Also, it doesn't take medical experts to man the fever checking equipment stations at the country's 5 or 6 international airports for incoming China flights. So it's not like staffing those stations is pulling much medical staff away from other pressing tasks.

 

The concerning part, however, is the new reporting coming out of the diagnosed cases in Hong Kong where the local doctors have found cases with the confirmed virus who were pretty much totally without any visible/detectable symptoms...and not just during the incubation period.

 

Edited January 26, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[djayz]

11 hours ago, rooster59 said:

still limiting virus scans

That's a relief then! No need to worry about more of those infected entering the kingdom spreading the virus. Wouldn't want to upset the carriers, now would we? 

[ICELANDMAN]

It seems to me that all countries must follow the WHO guidelines, so if there are no further indications I do not see the reason to inculpate the Thai government not to do its preventive work.

 

 

[hotchilli]

7 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

It wont be too long before Foreign Governments start to issue travel advisories for all SE Asia Nations due to the rapid spread of this Virus.

 

Ok I get what you're saying about S.E.Asian nations, yes it started in China and has obviously spread to neighbouring countries first.. but it has now reached into Europe, UK and other countries. This is going to grow big very quickly as more and more cases are found, the affects are spread by the ever increasing migration of people. What will European countries do about inbound flights from China, but then with "hubs & connecting flights" from all corners of the world things get messy real quick!

[ukrules]

6 hours ago, jojothai said:

You need to check the history of what happened in SARS. It was almost under control until the doctor took it to hong kong and it spread to become such a problem.

They have reported already that a doctor treating the problem has died. I have not seen his age or state of health published yet.

This should be considered very seriously outside china, precisely because of the risk of what happened in SARS.

About 800 people died from SARS in total (worldwide) - a negligible number of people compared to those who die from flu every year.

 

SARS turned out to be nothing.