U.S. Senate votes against calling witnesses in Trump impeachment trial, clearing way for acquittal

[mogandave]

45 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

John Bolton ( That well known liberal lefty)  is in the midst of exposing the Trump crimes that the GOP Senators wish not to hear about.

 

They have made their bed, now they must lie in it.

I heard he was just hawking a book, no? 

[Sujo]

19 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Not the job or responsibility of the Senate to complete the House’s investigation, but that okay yes?

The senate wasnt an investigation. It was supposed to be a trial. But it wasnt.

 

Trials have witnesses. Okay yes?

Edited February 1, 2020 by Sujo

[mogandave]

41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps he has higher moral standards than the impeached POTUS.

But I thought he was lying to protect Trump. 
 

Can’t have it both ways.

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

For those who do not understand the basics of Law and how the Consitution framed Impeachment and the subsequent rules and conventions pout in place - go do some research - try Wikipeadia

 

My quick summary of the current 'arrangements'. The House conducts the investigations. The House views the results of the investigation and votes on yes/no.  If Yes the House sends the case to the Senate.  The Senate conducts a trial based on the case presented by the House. The Senate votes whether guilty or not guilty.  Think of it this way. The Police investigate. The Prosecution conducts the trial based on the Police investigations.

 

Because there are no set rules and regulations about how the House can conduct its investigations, in fact they can set their own rules and regluations, the process followed by the Dems is a complete breakaway from the last impeachment investigation rules and regluations followed (Clinton). 

 

The Police can always continue their investigations after a Trial, but the prosecutor cannot and does not investigate anything while conducting the trial other than what is directly related to the case prepared by the Police.

 

The Dems knbew this and that is why they deliberately controlled/blocked the GOP participation in their investigations. The Dems did not investigate anything about the corruption of Biden et al, becausae they didnt want that in the trial. 

 

By any impartial measure the Dems have conducted a partisan and corrupted investigation - and just like Nancy handing out gold pens, it is all a political farce. They were locked into this from 2016 onwards. They hate Trump because he is tearing apart the Obama disaster and pulling back all their progressive globalist policies and changes - just like he said he would.  He was supposed to have colluded with Russia - but that fake story and the illegal investigations failed - so they had to find another reason to start impeachment - which of course they found with the aid of partisan hacks and disgruntled swapers. 

 

It’s even more simple than that.

 

The House impeaches, and has impeached Trump.

 

The Senate are meant to hold a trial to determine if the impeachment charges warrant removal from office.

 

It is not a trial of guilt/innocence.

[Sujo]

2 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I heard he was just hawking a book, no? 

He is saying what happened. Yes?

 

Next thing you will say is that it doesnt count because he didnt give evidence.

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

But I thought he was lying to protect Trump. 
 

Can’t have it both ways.

No he was lying to protect ukraine from trump.

Edited February 1, 2020 by Sujo

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

But I thought he was lying to protect Trump. 
 

Can’t have it both ways.

I’m not at all sure what your point is, I’ve never suggested he was lying to protect Trump.

 

[Sujo]

19 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Democrats were allowed every witness they wanted, yet the refused to call them. 
 

Now you want to attack the Senate for the same thing.

Trials have witnesses.

[Burma Bill]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Another fix was in and again failed.  The Senators are to be commended.  Trump 2020.

Rubbish - he will get his just "reward" in time, hopefully being defeated in the next Presidential election.

[neeray]

1 hour ago, CaptRon2 said:

Perhaps  your time would be better spent trying to do something about your own corrupt government, instead of whining about ours, after all we are number one in the world, we are doing fine without the advice of the trailers.

Let me see if I understand your dribble correctly. You are telling me I do not have the right to comment here. Is that correct?

"Trailers". What exactly are you referring to here?

[Sujo]

24 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

For those who do not understand the basics of Law and how the Consitution framed Impeachment and the subsequent rules and conventions pout in place - go do some research - try Wikipeadia

 

My quick summary of the current 'arrangements'. The House conducts the investigations. The House views the results of the investigation and votes on yes/no.  If Yes the House sends the case to the Senate.  The Senate conducts a trial based on the case presented by the House. The Senate votes whether guilty or not guilty.  Think of it this way. The Police investigate. The Prosecution conducts the trial based on the Police investigations.

 

Because there are no set rules and regulations about how the House can conduct its investigations, in fact they can set their own rules and regluations, the process followed by the Dems is a complete breakaway from the last impeachment investigation rules and regluations followed (Clinton). 

 

The Police can always continue their investigations after a Trial, but the prosecutor cannot and does not investigate anything while conducting the trial other than what is directly related to the case prepared by the Police.

 

The Dems knbew this and that is why they deliberately controlled/blocked the GOP participation in their investigations. The Dems did not investigate anything about the corruption of Biden et al, becausae they didnt want that in the trial. 

 

By any impartial measure the Dems have conducted a partisan and corrupted investigation - and just like Nancy handing out gold pens, it is all a political farce. They were locked into this from 2016 onwards. They hate Trump because he is tearing apart the Obama disaster and pulling back all their progressive globalist policies and changes - just like he said he would.  He was supposed to have colluded with Russia - but that fake story and the illegal investigations failed - so they had to find another reason to start impeachment - which of course they found with the aid of partisan hacks and disgruntled swapers. 

 

Witnesses in the clinton trial never gave evidence in the house. Go figure.

Edited February 1, 2020 by Sujo

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I heard he was just hawking a book, no? 

Yes he’s selling a book, he’s not selling his country.

[heybruce]

28 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So CNN was trying to schedule interview (but never did) and they claim they never got the interview because the Times believes he was going to announce the Biden investigation.
 

So why did the House not compel the witnesses to testify during the impeachment? 

 

Go back and read again.

 

The interview was scheduled.  According to Zelinsky's aides he was going to announce the nonsensical investigations.  However after the news about the whistleblower came out and the aid was released he canceled the interview.

 

The house did not compel witnesses to testify because it would have tied up the proceeding for months if not years while Trump took every subpoena to testify to court and appealed every adverse ruling.

[heybruce]

34 minutes ago, albertik said:

You really cannot believe anything you hear on CNN.  They are a running joke.

Read the post again.  It's not that difficult.  Note the tense of the verbs in which questions are asked.  Zakaria did not know what Zelensky was going to announce when the interview was canceled.  He learned later. 

[Jdiddy]

lol better luck next time, and dont worry, im sure Trump will stop being president one day, most likely in late 2024 ????

[Tounge Thaied]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Imagine a country where 95% of the senate politicians from the party in charge don't want to hear the truth.

The don't want to listen to witnesses because they know those witnesses have evidence against the president. So now those politicians are able to somehow pretend that they were not aware of the truth.

But they know the truth. They know their party leader and president is guilty. And they also know that he is a serial liar. And and and ...

 

Imagine that would happen somewhere in Afrika or Asia or South America. Imagine how the politicians of the USA would point out how undemocratic and unprincipled those senators are. They would say those politicians only want to stay in power while ignoring the highest law. And they would be right.

 

But as we all know it happens in the USA which claims to be the greatest democracy in this world. They claim they have honest politicians which are not corrupt and follow the law. Can they look into a mirror and think about themselves as honest? Sure not.

 

It's sad to see how much the USA sunk since Trump is in charge. 62 million Americans voted for him. This year the American people have the chance to vote for somebody better. Will they? Or are not only the top US politicians unprincipled but the majority of the people in the country are the same? I fear the worst.

 

Let me state from the outset, I am no Trump, Zionist shill supporter. But the facts have been established in this impeachment process... No crime, no evidence of a crime, no quid pro quo ( unlike the corrupt Bidens ), Zelensky and Porsschenko both on the record, no pressure, no quid pro quo. The democrats had their chance, no direct evidence from the numerous witnesses that testified. No evidence folks, no evidence... end of story. The Senate is not required to re-litigate the entire 3 years now that Trump has been officially exonerated in any Russian Collusion, Ukrainian Collusion... the phone call with Zelensky, no quid pro quo directly from Zelynski and Porschenko... the farce is over. What a disgrace displayed by the hopeless democrats, who know have no front runner that can beat Trump at the ballot box. They now have to resurrect Hillary Clinton of all people to face Trump in the next election. The Democrats have no evidence.... 

[JHolmesJr]

Key points summarised:

 

The Dem controlled House acted rashly, hastily, dishonestly.

The Senate has acted with wisdom tempered and determination

not to set a dangerous precedent that sitting presidents can be removed

on a partisan whim. Hopefully future batches of congress will heed the warning.

[pmarlin]

4 hours ago, neeray said:

The goal posts have been forever changed.

 

I can only hope that the American voter on mass will speak louder than this spineless, hypocritical bunch of senators come November.

Yep for sure got to vote the dems out. all worthless 

[Chomper Higgot]

22 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

Key points summarised:

 

The Dem controlled House acted rashly, hastily, dishonestly.

The Senate has acted with wisdom tempered and determination

not to set a dangerous precedent that sitting presidents can be removed

on a partisan whim. Hopefully future batches of congress will heed the warning.

Key points summarized:

 

Over 50% of American voters want the Impeached POTUS removed from office.

 

Over 70% of American voters want the Senate to hear witnesses.

 

 

 

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, simple1 said:

Cowards led by the Corrupter in Chief. MAGA - LOL - what a hypocrite!

it was never MAGA it was always MTGA and always be MTGA..... and they swear allegiance to the constitution

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Key points summarized:

 

Over 50% of American voters want the Impeached POTUS removed from office.

 

Over 70% of American voters want the Senate to hear witnesses.

 

 

 

and they call it the greatest democracy in the world 555

[Tounge Thaied]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Key points summarized:

 

Over 50% of American voters want the Impeached POTUS removed from office.

 

Over 70% of American voters want the Senate to hear witnesses.

 

 

 

It's over... the dems had their chance. 3 years of litigation, Mueller investigation, no evidence, House trial, no evidence, it's over. Now the dems have to resurrect Hillary Clinton. Clinton will be the nominee and she will lose again. If the American's want Trump out, they will now have to vote him out. The investigation of Trump is over. 

[albertik]

42 minutes ago, Jdiddy said:

lol better luck next time, and dont worry, im sure Trump will stop being president one day, most likely in late 2024 ????

The Dems continually say that Trump is an illegitimate Pres.  If that's the case, I guess he would be good for 2020 and again in 2025.

Edited February 1, 2020 by albertik

[Mavideol]

5 hours ago, rooster59 said:

clearing way for acquittal

always thought that a trial needed to hear witnesses for acquittal or guilty verdicts.... guess in the so called greatest democracy in the word corruption/blackmail/threats are the easy way for acquittal, that's a very sad day for the USA

[sucit]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

You can’t answer and blame me, hilarious. Maybe you should try reading or listening rather than watching. 
 

By most every measure (except the by the left) the Country is better off now than it was when Trump took office. 
 

 

You mean for rich people?

 

"By most every measure". That is absolutely ridiculous. He has brought income inequality the the highest in history! This is what people actually care about by the way.

 

After his tax cuts the deficit skyrocketed. Hmm, I wonder why that would be. Oh, because taxpayers will need to pay what those tax cuts should have been paying in the first place. 

 

Basically, the policies you support are just theft: money from poor people's pockets into rich people's pockets. 

 

So yeah, if you own a ton of stock or are the owner of Facebook, the country is much better now. If you are anyone else, not so much. You have just been tricked into believing their propaganda. The income disparity statistics don't lie. 

[JHolmesJr]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Key points summarized:

 

Over 50% of American voters want the Impeached POTUS removed from office.

 

Over 70% of American voters want the Senate to hear witnesses.

 

 

 

 

In polls we trust...just like Hillary ????

[Dumbastheycome]

The Beast is about to be unleashed. No censure.No constraints.

Let the majority of US citizens who expected a proper trial understand what they have  just lost.

[FritsSikkink]

Trial without allowing witnesses, they now lost the plot completely.

[albertik]

26 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said:

It's over... the dems had their chance. 3 years of litigation, Mueller investigation, no evidence, House trial, no evidence, it's over. Now the dems have to resurrect Hillary Clinton. Clinton will be the nominee and she will lose again. If the American's want Trump out, they will now have to vote him out. The investigation of Trump is over. 

[Eric Loh]

30 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said:

It's over... the dems had their chance. 3 years of litigation, Mueller investigation, no evidence, House trial, no evidence, it's over. Now the dems have to resurrect Hillary Clinton. Clinton will be the nominee and she will lose again. If the American's want Trump out, they will now have to vote him out. The investigation of Trump is over. 

It’s indeed over for democracy and rule of law. Sad day for once great USA.