Migrants raped and trafficked as U.S. and Mexico tighten borders, charity says

[Tug]

2 hours ago, Thomas J said:

Bluespunk

There is a huge difference between a country or a person inviting someone in versus people breaking the law and entering on their own.  I would doubt that you would be open to someone entering your home uninvited to flee being homeless, and hungry.  The USA has more immigrants than the rest of the world combined.  Every country has the right to protect its citizens and its borders.  With respect to these people if they had not attempted to cross into the USA they would not have put themselves at risk of being victimized by unscrupulous Mexicans.  Not any different that the Africans that cross the Mediterranean putting their lives at risk.  The best thing would be for countries to send a clear message that those entering illegally will be sent back.  That would curb the flow of people attempting to enter. 

Just in case you don’t know(I’m sure you do) trump won’t let folks apply and separates children from their parents full stop! Trump is ok with paying 700$ per head to detaine folks personally I think we should hire lots of judges and investigators go through the cases accept the valid ones boot the lying ones identifiey them return them but that’s just me you know a guy who has 4 property’s close to the border knows lots and lots of Latinos and has compassion for folks who have risked their very lives to try to bettering themselves you know the thing that makes America great INCLUSION not EXCLUSION 

[Forethat]

23 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You did say:

 

Hogwash, as numerous people climbing out of shipping containers and declaring their intent to seek asylum have demonstrated.

Yes, at that point they become asylum seekers. That's my whole point. You should try read my posts, for a change, before firing up your confrontational argument machine.

 

The difference between US and the UK, from a legal perspective (as I have tried to point out), is that in the US a person is by definition NOT an illegal immigrant if they cross the border with the intention (there's a grey area right there...) to seek asylum. In the UK THEY ARE illegal until they seek asylum. In your example above they did exactly that.

 

Your failure to recognise the difference between entering a country illegally in combination with intention to seek asylum and to seek asylum is rather humorous. But trust me, those are two different things.

 

There's an obvious reason why the status is important (I'm sure you have absolutely no clue what that might be), but let's leave it there.

 

 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

Just now, kensawadee said:

Smile........... MY cap lock gets attention to important issues.

I hope the people at the border can work this outwithout YOU...

BUT thanks for all your 'I think this' and all your 'I think that'. And when YOU KNOW something please advise the source. 

My source is that I live among these people and am friends with many (Neighbors, Rent houses from me, etc) Please display your credentials when claiming to 'know' something, just in case other posters have better knowledge of the subject of immigrants at the USA borders.

Empathy for those fleeing violence, terror and poverty is why I post as I do. 
 

I wish them every success in making a better life for themselves. 

[PhonThong]

14 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

I would not turn away those fleeing violence or levels of poverty that cause such desperation that people flee their homeland, nor would I expect to be turned away if I was doing the same.

 

Do you seriously believe people would expose themselves to such terrible dangers and the perils of dealing with human trafficking scum if they truly had no other choice?

It doesn't matter. Still not the USA's problem.

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, PhonThong said:

Get over yourself. If you are so righteous, why don't you make arrangements to have them all picked up and taken to a place where you and your kind will give them all they want. Just don't expect anything in return. Be ready to spend your money on their education, healthcare. Don't forget the legal bills. Also, their housing, clothing and anything else they desire. Just don't think you have the right to have other pay for it. 

You are probably of the mind that there is such a thing as free healthcare too!

Dont know what you are on about. Those illegals as some refer to them are a nett benefit to the usa.

[Bluespunk]

5 hours ago, PhonThong said:

Get over yourself. If you are so righteous, why don't you make arrangements to have them all picked up and taken to a place where you and your kind will give them all they want. Just don't expect anything in return. Be ready to spend your money on their education, healthcare. Don't forget the legal bills. Also, their housing, clothing and anything else they desire. Just don't think you have the right to have other pay for it. 

You are probably of the mind that there is such a thing as free healthcare too!

There should be and I would have no problem with any government I was governed by spending money on those fleeing violence and poverty. 

[Forethat]

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

There should be and I would have no problem with any government I was governed by spending money on those fleeing violence and poverty. 

Poverty is not a valid reason for asylum.

[Bluespunk]

Just now, Forethat said:

You should approach the United Nations and voice your concerns then. But until they've reconsidered their current agreement, poverty is not a valid reason for asylum.

And, to be frank, what you agree with or not is irrelevant.

 

https://www.unhcr.org/uk/3b66c2aa10

Just as what you think bears no weight at all and certainly has no relevance as far as I am concerned.

 

As such it has no impact whatsoever upon my thinking.

[Forethat]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

Just as what you think bears no weight at all and certainly has no relevance as far as I am concerned.

 

As such it has no impact whatsoever upon my thinking.

Well, how fitting then that I haven't declared my viewpoint.

 

What I DID declare was the legal positioning, as dictated by the United Nations (and in case you wonder, they are the authority in this case).

Not me. Not you. The United Nations. UN.

 

You just have to suck it up.

[lungbing]

23 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Please answer the following (I’ll keep it simple):

 

If somebody enters the US to claim asylum, which law have they broken?

How many safe countries have they passed through to get to the USA?

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, lungbing said:

How many safe countries have they passed through to get to the USA?

And that matters how? Are the safe countries signarories to the UN for refugees and asylum seekers?

 

Do they have to see asylum in the first country?

 

Perhaps you could be more specific to your issue and cite laws why its relevant.

[Tug]

9 hours ago, PhonThong said:

Get over yourself. If you are so righteous, why don't you make arrangements to have them all picked up and taken to a place where you and your kind will give them all they want. Just don't expect anything in return. Be ready to spend your money on their education, healthcare. Don't forget the legal bills. Also, their housing, clothing and anything else they desire. Just don't think you have the right to have other pay for it. 

You are probably of the mind that there is such a thing as free healthcare too!

Sir I would like some proof to what you are stating it runs contrary to my life experience of knowledge with the Latinos I’ve found them to be hard working family types talented and generous were do you get your experience or are you just trolling?

[metisdead]

Some bickering, baiting troll posts have been removed.  Members should not edit their posts after posting if they do not like the reply to the original context of their post. 

[bristolboy]

'Somebody is making money off those ladders': Smugglers use 'camouflage' ladders to cross border wall

 

Smugglers in Juárez have engineered camouflage hook-and-ladders made of rebar that blend in so well with the border wall that it can be hard to detect, according to U.S. Border Patrol. The ladders are the same rust brown color as the mesh panels or steel beams of the fence.

El Paso's urban stretch of border is littered with the rusted rebar ladders at the base on both sides — ladders lying in wait on the Mexican side, ladders pulled down by border agents or abandoned by smugglers on the U.S. side.

https://www.elpasotimes.com/story/news/2020/02/14/smugglers-in-mexico-use-camouflage-ladder-to-cross-border-wall/4760798002/

The artilce goes on to say that apprehensions of illegal border crossers in this area have nearly doubled over the past year.