1 hour ago, Kelsall said:

Ahhh the washington post, owned by jeff bozos who hates Trump. 'Nuff said.

argumentum ad hominem

1 hour ago, Boon Mee said:

This Videman character was in subordinate and thus ran afoul of many of the UCMJ rules. 

He needs to be stripped of rank and spend some quality time military prison

Absolute nonsense.  He was on temporary duty at the White House. He emigrated from Ukrne a and is fluent in the language.  He was the perfect person to have on a call with Trump and the Ukranian President.

 

What he heard was disturbing in that the President of the US was attempting to coerce a foreign government to get 'dirt' on a US presidential candidate.

 

The Colonel reported what he heard . Trump himself  verified what he said on the call and others have heard it verbatim.

 

The Colonel's oath is to the United States- not the President and no member of the Armed Forces has to follow an illegal order.

 

He should be given a medal for doing his duty under the most difficult circumstances and held up as an example of an extraordinary officer and when retired given honors.

 

If Trump felt that Biden and his son were in violation of a law or  involved in corruption he should have contacted the US Justice Department with the evidence and requested an investigation be started.  Instead, he tried to  bribe the Ukranian government and then sent his personal lawyer- Rudy Guliani to Ukraine to dig up dirt and further coerce others to participate in illegal activities.

 

Just because the US Senate acquitted  Trump on Impeachment does not mean  Trump committed no crime. He is corrupt to the bone and is under investigation  for violating the emoulment clause of the constitution as well as tax evasion and money laundering. 

 

If he was really smart he would accept a deal and resign with a pardon by Pense.  Instead, he thinks he is untouchable and maybe so as long as he is President but the clock is ticking until we see  him  indicted; convicted and jailed by the Southern District of New York under the RICO act, the same law used by Rudy Guliani to break the US Mafia.

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I also don't think Bezos hates Trump, it is very much the other way.

 

Bezos probably doesn't like him, but the hatred seems to be coming from one way only.

Bezos is wealthier than Trump; the green eye monster just can’t stand this fact. 

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17 minutes ago, Thaidream said:

Absolute nonsense.  He was on temporary duty at the White House. He emigrated from Ukrne a and is fluent in the language.  He was the perfect person to have on a call with Trump and the Ukranian President.

 

What he heard was disturbing in that the President of the US was attempting to coerce a foreign government to get 'dirt' on a US presidential candidate.

 

The Colonel reported what he heard . Trump himself  verified what he said on the call and others have heard it verbatim.

 

The Colonel's oath is to the United States- not the President and no member of the Armed Forces has to follow an illegal order.

 

He should be given a medal for doing his duty under the most difficult circumstances and held up as an example of an extraordinary officer and when retired given honors.

 

If Trump felt that Biden and his son were in violation of a law or  involved in corruption he should have contacted the US Justice Department with the evidence and requested an investigation be started.  Instead, he tried to  bribe the Ukranian government and then sent his personal lawyer- Rudy Guliani to Ukraine to dig up dirt and further coerce others to participate in illegal activities.

 

Just because the US Senate acquitted  Trump on Impeachment does not mean  Trump committed no crime. He is corrupt to the bone and is under investigation  for violating the emoulment clause of the constitution as well as tax evasion and money laundering. 

 

If he was really smart he would accept a deal and resign with a pardon by Pense.  Instead, he thinks he is untouchable and maybe so as long as he is President but the clock is ticking until we see  him  indicted; convicted and jailed by the Southern District of New York under the RICO act, the same law used by Rudy Guliani to break the US Mafia.

Trump supporters have been told these facts many times. Yet they still spout alternative truth. Like the flat earthers, they do not recognize facts

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1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

For telling the truth.

 

Welcome to the mindset of a Trump apologist.

 

He's in the military and subject to military rules and protocols. 

 

That includes following a chain of command.

 

If he did indeed tell the truth and followed the protocols and rules he has nothing to fear.

 

If not, then he will find out he's also not above the law.

48 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Trump supporters have been told these facts many times. Yet they still spout alternative truth. Like the flat earthers, they do not recognize facts

 

Just like the Clinton supporters also refused to recognize facts when it suited.

 

Politics is indeed a dirty business.

4 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Just like the Clinton supporters also refused to recognize facts when it suited.

 

Politics is indeed a dirty business.

"The kind of "facts" that come from Breitbart and such. You confuse facts with "truthiness"

Truthiness is the belief or assertion that a particular statement is true based on the intuition or perceptions of some individual or individuals, without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.[1][2] Truthiness can range from ignorant assertions of falsehoods to deliberate duplicity or propaganda intended to sway opinions.[3][4]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

From what I saw on TV I wouldn't believe one word of Vindman's testimony.

9 hours ago, webfact said:

"I obviously wasn't happy with the job he did," Trump said of Vindman. "First of all he reported a false call ... what was said on the call was totally appropriate."

The article starts with "Trump says....", so it is widely known among the smart people of the planet, that whatever follows a blatant lie is.

 

Of course it is obvious that T. is unhappy with any truth or anyone who tells the truth. First there was a false call (there was no call?)(What is a false call? It is not a miss-call...), and whatever was said on the call that did not exist, was appropriate.

The logic is impossible, and so should that man be ???? I wish him worst of luck!

2 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

From what I saw on TV I wouldn't believe one word of Vindman's testimony.

Given the consistent lack of dada and/or analysis in your comments, why should any give you any more credence than you give Vindman?

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Unbelievable how such a weak man is followed by so many.  Are we there really so many weak and shallow people these days?  He’s a draft dodger as well.

2 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

This Videman character was in subordinate and thus ran afoul of many of the UCMJ rules. 

He needs to be stripped of rank and spend some quality time military prison. 

I think everyone seems to be glossing over what is probably the most important indicator of what's really going on here, which is the fact that Trump had both brothers removed. Let's say for a moment that I can sort of understand (even if don't agree with) why Trump was unhappy with Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman - how on earth does that justify firing his twin brother, who had absolutely nothing to do with the impeachment process? 

 

As far as I'm concerned, it's petty, vindictive and smacks of mob retaliation, where if you think someone has wronged you, you go after them and their family.

7 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

From what I saw on TV I wouldn't believe one word of Vindman's testimony.

I tend to trust and believe anyone Trump labels a "liar"

9 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Game. Set. Match. 

 

The swamp is being drained!  Hopefully "disciplinary action" means a charge of treason.

 

Thank you President and Commander-in-chief Donald J. Trump!

There are concrete reasons for my condemnation of Trump’s own words, own policies, own actions. Of course the military would not consider any disciplinary action for testifying to the truth. The military oath is to the U.S. Constitution. Not to “Il Duce”.

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

He's in the military and subject to military rules and protocols. 

 

That includes following a chain of command.

 

If he did indeed tell the truth and followed the protocols and rules he has nothing to fear.

 

If not, then he will find out he's also not above the law.

There are concrete reasons for my condemnation of Trump’s own words, own policies, own actions. Of course the military would not consider any disciplinary action for testifying to the truth. The military oath is to the U.S. Constitution. Not to “Il Duce”.

4 hours ago, Kelsall said:

The American voters decided he was indeed deserving of that very real title and more.  Having gone to the military academy, he had more military experience than Obama, Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton combined.

Ah, no, the Electoral College ... not the American voters who voted for another candidate in the majority. And sadly, far too many did not vote. Whether that was out of rejection of both presented candidates, laziness or feeling their vote did not count for anything remains subject to speculation.

10 hours ago, webfact said:

Vindman, an Army lieutenant colonel, provided some of the most damaging testimony during an investigation by the U.S. House of Representatives of Trump's dealings with Ukraine.

I watched his "testimony."  He delivered nothing except for his opinion and hearsay. He came across as a smarmy little man who if he had a combat platoon, would have been fragged by his own men.

4 minutes ago, Chrysaora said:

I watched his "testimony."  He delivered nothing except for his opinion and hearsay. He came across as a smarmy little man who if he had a combat platoon, would have been fragged by his own men.

Projecting much?

Vindman is a combat veteran of the Iraq War, and he served in Iraq from September 2004 to September 2005.^[3] In October 2004,^[3] he sustained an injury from a roadside bomb in Iraq, for which he received a Purple Heart.^[4] ...

During his Army career, Vindman earned the Ranger Tab, Combat Infantryman Badge, Expert Infantryman Badge, and Parachutist Badge, as well as four Army Commendation Medals and two Defense Meritorious Service Medals.^[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Vindman

During his time in uniform, Vindman has earned the Ranger Tab, which signifies the completion of one of the toughest schools in the Army, as well as the Parachutist Badge, earned after the completion of Army Airborne School, and the Expert Infantryman Badge, which denotes mastery of critical infantry tasks.

In September 2004, he deployed to Iraq and was wounded in combat just a month later by an improvised explosive device, per Army Times.

https://taskandpurpose.com/vindman-military-record

10 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Game. Set. Match. 

 

The swamp is being drained!  Hopefully "disciplinary action" means a charge of treason.

 

Thank you President and Commander-in-chief Donald J. Trump!

You definitely smelled too much napalm, probably not only in the morning.

I guess if it would be up to Trump they would send him to Gitmo.

And I am sure millions of Americans would still support Trump.

 

What happened to that country? They were always a little crazy. But mostly only a little. And now they go full throttle ahead.

Not that I believe in god but it's time that he helps his little god's own country. They need any help they can.

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Projecting much?

Vindman is a combat veteran of the Iraq War, and he served in Iraq from September 2004 to September 2005.^[3] In October 2004,^[3] he sustained an injury from a roadside bomb in Iraq, for which he received a Purple Heart.^[4] ...

During his Army career, Vindman earned the Ranger Tab, Combat Infantryman Badge, Expert Infantryman Badge, and Parachutist Badge, as well as four Army Commendation Medals and two Defense Meritorious Service Medals.^[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Vindman

During his time in uniform, Vindman has earned the Ranger Tab, which signifies the completion of one of the toughest schools in the Army, as well as the Parachutist Badge, earned after the completion of Army Airborne School, and the Expert Infantryman Badge, which denotes mastery of critical infantry tasks.

In September 2004, he deployed to Iraq and was wounded in combat just a month later by an improvised explosive device, per Army Times.

https://taskandpurpose.com/vindman-military-record

Well, he sure didn't like like someone with those creds.  He looked like a guy who eats too much pizza.

4 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Ahhh the washington post, owned by jeff bezos who hates Trump. 'Nuff said.

Deny, deflect, ok it was me so what!

51 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Not only Vindman, but Lou Dobbs is reporting that Trump is also considering firing Intelligence Community IG Michael Atkinson. Atkinson transmitted the whistleblower's complaint to Congress and is an Obama holdover. 

 

Drain the swamp.

 

Now that it has been validated that it's OK for Trump to use power for personal gain, loyalty to Trump equates  loyalty to country and the constitution… or does loyalty to Trump trump loyalty to country and the constitution? Do the military swear loyalty to Trump  (like under memorable regimes) or …?   

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47 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Not only Vindman, but Lou Dobbs is reporting that Trump is also considering firing Intelligence Community IG Michael Atkinson. Atkinson transmitted the whistleblower's complaint to Congress and is an Obama holdover. 

 

Drain the swamp.

 

OH another one bites the dust, soon there will be no one with any qualifications left to join his team, if an administration in business has a 10% staff turn over in a year, there is something very wrong with the management, and the board needs to look at reasons for that turnover. 

 

He has fired what % of staff??

What % are now facing imprisonment or already there?

 

Interesting times

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/bigger-than-vindman-trump-scrubs-70-obama-holdovers-from-nsc

 

President Trump is making good on his promises to “drain the swamp” and cut Obama-era holdovers from his staffs, especially the critical and recently controversial National Security Council. Officials confirmed that Trump and national security adviser Robert O’Brien have cut 70 positions inherited from former President Barack Obama, who had fattened the staff to 200.

 

1 hour ago, bristolboy said:

Projecting much?

Vindman is a combat veteran of the Iraq War, and he served in Iraq from September 2004 to September 2005.^[3] In October 2004,^[3] he sustained an injury from a roadside bomb in Iraq, for which he received a Purple Heart.^[4] ...

During his Army career, Vindman earned the Ranger Tab, Combat Infantryman Badge, Expert Infantryman Badge, and Parachutist Badge, as well as four Army Commendation Medals and two Defense Meritorious Service Medals.^[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Vindman

During his time in uniform, Vindman has earned the Ranger Tab, which signifies the completion of one of the toughest schools in the Army, as well as the Parachutist Badge, earned after the completion of Army Airborne School, and the Expert Infantryman Badge, which denotes mastery of critical infantry tasks.In Septem

ber 2004, he deployed to Iraq and was wounded in combat just a month later by an improvised explosive device, per Army Times.

https://taskandpurpose.com/vindman-military-record

 

One only needs to read what fellow servicemen said about him in your Army Times link:

https://taskandpurpose.com/vindman-military-record

 

Not quite your sterling witness, esp. about jumping rank, his personality, and possible motives. 

5 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/bigger-than-vindman-trump-scrubs-70-obama-holdovers-from-nsc

 

President Trump is making good on his promises to “drain the swamp” and cut Obama-era holdovers from his staffs, especially the critical and recently controversial National Security Council. Officials confirmed that Trump and national security adviser Robert O’Brien have cut 70 positions inherited from former President Barack Obama, who had fattened the staff to 200.

 

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