The revolution that wasn’t: Bernie Sanders' second presidential bid falls to earth

[Berkshire]

9 hours ago, Retarded said:

You have to live in America to like Trump.

Trump isn't Hitler, not at all. 

He is very common sense guy.

Hmmm....this comment made no sense until I noticed your pen name.  It then made plenty of sense.  

[metisdead]

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The revolution that wasn’t: Bernie Sanders' second presidential bid falls to earth

 

 

DETROIT (Reuters) - Michigan voter Monique Dooley believed in Bernie Sanders’ forceful message of support for America’s working class.

 

So she cast a ballot Tuesday in Detroit for the Democratic candidate she believes can win back the White House: Joe Biden.

 

“If we are going to be unified, I think we should go with him,” said Dooley, an African-American fifth-grade teacher.

 

 

 

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[Nyezhov]

On 3/19/2020 at 1:13 PM, Saint Nick said:

You may disagree with his politics (I don't know, why you would, but...ok!)

Because the ideology he subscribes too is associated with some of the worst crimes in human history? Would that be a good reason? Is for me. And I had realtives who looked and talked like him waving Vorwarts around and railing about Nixon.

Edited March 21, 2020 by Nyezhov

[bristolboy]

57 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Because the ideology he subscribes too is associated with some of the worst crimes in human history? Would that be a good reason? Is for me. And I had realtives who looked and talked like him waving Vorwarts around and railing about Nixon.

Such nonsense. What ideology is that? The kind that has made Sweden, Norway, and Finland absolute raging hellholes where the middle class is stronger and lot better off than in the USA? Universal health care is a crime? I'd bet most Americans right now are wishing that they were victims of such a crime?

[Nyezhov]

10 minutes ago, Grumpy John said:

The best candidate and one with half a chance was/is Tulsi.

Tulsi seemed to pander less. She has qualifications. I think the Dems and their media allies worked against her.

 

I will give Tulsi and Sanders credit, they talked to the whole country instead of just the Democrats.

[Ricohoc]

Bernie was doomed to failure.

 

First, he's not a Democrat -- officially or unofficially.  He's officially an Independent member of the US Senate. He left the party, but votes mostly with them and wanted to run under their banner.  Kind of hypocritical.

 

Second, almost everything that he proposes (and proposed by almost all 2020 Democrats) does NOT fall within the Constitution, he does not promote Free Enterprise, and he does not support or nurture Individual Liberty.  He doesn't even support the process for amending the Constitution. All three of those components are the main tenets of our Founders and Framers.  Difficult to get Americans to reject America.

 

Third, he says what Democrats try to hide.  Today's Democrats are ALL stealth socialists.  They really do want everything that Bernie screams while banging all those Marxist pots and pans.  They didn't like his style, but they love his mission.  Americans -- not even Americans who are 2020 Democrats -- rejected it too.

 

Faced with the Democrat candidate possessing failing mental acuity, I won't be surprised if as many as half of his support doesn't vote at all, OR votes for a third party candidate, OR even show some voting for Trump.

[Ricohoc]

9 minutes ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

I agree with you.  She was the only Democrat that made any sense.

And Democrats ground her campaign into fine powder very quickly.

 

She was the closest to making sense, but she still had all the anti-America philosophies -- on various levels -- that all 2020 Democrats possess.

[bristolboy]

47 minutes ago, Ricohoc said:

Bernie was doomed to failure.

 

First, he's not a Democrat -- officially or unofficially.  He's officially an Independent member of the US Senate. He left the party, but votes mostly with them and wanted to run under their banner.  Kind of hypocritical.

 

Second, almost everything that he proposes (and proposed by almost all 2020 Democrats) does NOT fall within the Constitution, he does not promote Free Enterprise, and he does not support or nurture Individual Liberty.  He doesn't even support the process for amending the Constitution. All three of those components are the main tenets of our Founders and Framers.  Difficult to get Americans to reject America.

 

Third, he says what Democrats try to hide.  Today's Democrats are ALL stealth socialists.  They really do want everything that Bernie screams while banging all those Marxist pots and pans.  They didn't like his style, but they love his mission.  Americans -- not even Americans who are 2020 Democrats -- rejected it too.

 

Faced with the Democrat candidate possessing failing mental acuity, I won't be surprised if as many as half of his support doesn't vote at all, OR votes for a third party candidate, OR even show some voting for Trump.

"Second, almost everything that he proposes (and proposed by almost all 2020 Democrats) does NOT fall within the Constitution"

such as?

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Ricohoc said:

And Democrats ground her campaign into fine powder very quickly.

 

She was the closest to making sense, but she still had all the anti-America philosophies -- on various levels -- that all 2020 Democrats possess.

What Democrats ground her campaign into a fine powder and how?

[Thomas J]

On 3/19/2020 at 6:27 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

I wonder when Americans will realize that social programs would be great for all those people who will now lose their jobs, have no money, insurance, etc. 

Onemorefarang

 

If you recall Sanders promised to pay for all of those great social programs by 1. heavily taxing the incomes of wealthy taxpayers 2. imposing a tax on wall street  3. taxing dividend income as ordinary income 4. increasing the income tax that corporations pay and 5. increasing the inheritance tax. 

Now with companies losing money because of the Coronavirus, the income of wealthy Americans plummeting, the stock market losing trillions, companies cancelling their dividends,  companies going from money makers to money losers and the net worth of those "wealthy U.S." who die cratering, do you get your money from the same goose that lays golden eggs as Bernie.   Counting on unlimited prosperity forever is a fools thought process and Bernie was certainly that. 

Edited March 21, 2020 by Thomas J

[Thomas J]

6 hours ago, Grumpy John said:

The best candidate and one with half a chance was/is Tulsi.

Grumpy John,  

 

I am an extreme conservative but I agree with you. Tulsi was the best spoken of any candidate on either side.  I don't agree with all her positions but she has a reasoned approach and is able to articulate it.  That is something that Sanders and Biden can not due and Trump struggles with. 

[Ricohoc]

38 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

Counting on unlimited prosperity forever is a fools thought process and Bernie was certainly that. 

As are all of those who wish to confiscate wealth and assets to force charity and to force the labor of others to guarantee commodities like housing, health care, food and jobs, that are not rights. 

 

No right in the US Constitution -- and it is that document which controls the rule of law in the US and outlines rights -- requires the labor or assets of another to realize that right.

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, Thomas J said:

Onemorefarang

 

If you recall Sanders promised to pay for all of those great social programs by 1. heavily taxing the incomes of wealthy taxpayers 2. imposing a tax on wall street  3. taxing dividend income as ordinary income 4. increasing the income tax that corporations pay and 5. increasing the inheritance tax. 

Now with companies losing money because of the Coronavirus, the income of wealthy Americans plummeting, the stock market losing trillions, companies cancelling their dividends,  companies going from money makers to money losers and the net worth of those "wealthy U.S." who die cratering, do you get your money from the same goose that lays golden eggs as Bernie.   Counting on unlimited prosperity forever is a fools thought process and Bernie was certainly that. 

I am not American. I read the news but I don't follow all the details.

I grew up in a European country with decent support for people without jobs.

You should know that there are a few super super wealthy people and corporations, especially in the USA, who could throw away 99% of their money and they would still be super rich.

And at the same time there are millions of people in the USA who can't afford to see a doctor even for minor problems. Some of them work but have no chance of even a half decent life. And now many of the poor will struggle even more because they can't afford to be a month or two or three without any income.

Lots of European countries show that its possible to support the people in need and the rich are still rich. Not as rich as the super rich Americans but rich enough.

I understand that the rich want to stay rich. But I am a little confused that many poor people in the USA still vote for politicians do little to make their life better. Why? Why don't these people all vote for politicians who want to give them a decent health service?

[metisdead]

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