Pattaya: Dozens of foreigners flouting virus regulations getting drunk in a bar - owners arrested

[HaleySabai]

Looks like people just killing time and may be having a drink or coffee.

More Thai-urnalisim.

[Matzzon]

12 minutes ago, Logosone said:

If you seriously trust any government to control or defeat the virus you are not watching the news.

No, I don´t! I think you misinterpreted my post.

[Logosone]

That's a relief.

 

I must have taken it from the How do you think the governments can have any chance line.

 

Governments are not at the forefront of fighting the disease. The doctors, medical researches, nurses etc are.

 

The governments have shown they are incredibly useless and reckless. 

[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, Traubert said:

From current experience about 1 in 500 need ICU so there's no need to bandy that implied threat around.

That is why Italy ran out of beds and ventilators I guess

I think that bravado and flippance is not constructive at this time.

Talking of ICU is not alarmist it is factual.

Yes Thailand is currently admitting low numbers, but how many have been tested?

 

[JimLuce]

1 hour ago, Traubert said:

From current experience about 1 in 500 need ICU so there's no need to bandy that implied threat around.

That’s actually a damn good idea he brought up. I’ve always said it every Hospital should have a bar/lounge next to the cafeteria. And a cigar lounge. 

Edited March 20, 2020 by JimLuce

[Skeptic7]

If I was in Patts...i'da been there! ???? Good to see a few people still living life...instead of life living them, like the majority of the "Sheeple". 

[Jack P]

If you are worried about catching the virus, you stay at home - you don’t need to make everyone else stay at home.

[DrTuner]

22 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

They were selfish and ignorant when they were young. They are no different now that they are old.

Well that's probably why they ended up in Pattaya. Natural habitat. I of course, as an exceptional specimen of a human, came here only to observe this fascinating subspecies. From a bar stool, preferably.

[unamazedloso]

They are smart???? Alcohol kills the virus!!

[JimLuce]

I tested positive!!! I told the doctor “BUT I HAVE NOT DRANK CORONA IN MONTHS!” 

[khaowong1]

Chinese Virus, what Chinese Virus?  ????

[JimLuce]

1 minute ago, khaowong1 said:

Chinese Virus, what Chinese Virus?  ????

Which one? 

[Caledonia Boy]

Pattaya... I spent a week there one night !

[gk10002000]

19 hours ago, Matzzon said:

And I am pretty sure you understand how irresponsible this kind of behaviour is, without any general BS.

I do not think it is irresponsible at all.  But you will bash anyone so it does not matter what any body does

[toast1]

On 3/19/2020 at 1:50 PM, Ian Nagle said:

I think you are struggling to comprehend  the severity of the global crises situation, all things considered.

The pompous, arrogant self-importance is strong with this one.

 

[striderman]

the rock factory site on buakaow was for many years the rich bar. it is a restaurant/bar combo. i went by around 14.00 hrs on thursday and it was packed, way busier than usual. i knew that it would be bound to get a visit and that things would not end well. the photos shown are after the police showed up and many would have checked bin and left ASAP. 

the situation thursday on buakaow was confused with some places shut others open but not selling beer with the food. by friday there were still a few places with beer but way less and a number of the places visited by the cops on thursday were sporting closed till april 1st signs.

 

[RJRS1301]

For those nah sayers and its only a mild flu, please look at this: Of course it may be all a hoax involving thousnads of healthcare workers, scientists, etc

 

Of course if there are 300+ diagnosed then multiply that by 1.5 each day, with effective testing and see what the possible numbers may be until a plateau is reached.

 

 

Edited March 20, 2020 by RJRS1301

[shdmn]

10 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

For those nah sayers and its only a mild flu, please look at this: Of course it may be all a hoax involving thousnads of healthcare workers, scientists, etc

 

Of course if there are 300+ diagnosed then multiply that by 1.5 each day, with effective testing and see what the possible numbers may be until a plateau is reached.

 

 

Fatality rate and hospitalization for flu is low because there are vaccines and treatments. So those are misleading stats.  The flu is still far more deadly.  That is the bottom line.  Saying the mortality rate will eventually get worse for this compared to the common flu is still pure speculation.

Edited March 20, 2020 by shdmn

[scubascuba3]

20 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Fatality rate and hospitalization for flu is low because there are vaccines and treatments. So those are misleading stats.  The flu is still far more deadly.  That is the bottom line.  Saying the mortality rate will eventually get worse for this compared to the common flu is still pure speculation.

Some further reading for you, Italy as an example, death rate dramatically goes up when ventilators have run out. The best thing we can do is avoid catching it

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

 

[Matzzon]

5 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

I do not think it is irresponsible at all.  But you will bash anyone so it does not matter what any body does

No, I wont! Only the ones that can´t accept they are in another country and another culture. Like people that don´t understand that their values, way of thinking and way to deal with things don´t mean sh*t. That´s already too much. If I would concentrate on all, then It would take up too much time. 

[Peterw42]

19 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Fatality rate and hospitalization for flu is low because there are vaccines and treatments. So those are misleading stats.  The flu is still far more deadly.  That is the bottom line.  Saying the mortality rate will eventually get worse for this compared to the common flu is still pure speculation.

How can you say the flu is more deadly when the documented mortality rate of covid is 10-30 times higher.

If 1,000 people get the flu 1 will die, if 1,000 people get covid 10-30 will die. That is more deadly no mater how you look at it.

[RJRS1301]

39 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Fatality rate and hospitalization for flu is low because there are vaccines and treatments. So those are misleading stats.  The flu is still far more deadly.  That is the bottom line.  Saying the mortality rate will eventually get worse for this compared to the common flu is still pure speculation.

Considering there is no vaccination, this scietific modeling based on current statistics

I am sure you know more than the WHO and CDC.

 

Your mathematic modelling is flawed.

 

Comparing seasonal flu with Covid19 is dangerous and not based on current knowledge which is evolving daily .

Infectivity of Covid19 is the factor, as well as overwhelmed health system, poor supply of protective equipment, poor sanitation in many countries including many parts of Thailand

 

Edited March 20, 2020 by RJRS1301

[pacman32]

On 3/19/2020 at 2:13 PM, glennb6 said:

Anut just closed the country Health certificates and 100k USD WuFlu Terror insurance required for all visitors. Won't be any bars around because there won't be any tourists to drink in them. 20% of thai gdp is was tourism. Good night!

 

Ban Govt

And yet the baht keeps rising ????

[AussieBob18]

14 hours ago, cryo said:

I agree with you statement but people should realize that 1% will be a very large number of deaths. Population* Expected 80% infection rate (China) * 1% mortality. I will give you UK figures 70,000,000*80%*1%=560,000. Get your calculator out and work it out from the confines of your very sensible self lockdown. Also bear in mind the majority of these deaths will be in the 60+ group. They are building temporary morgues in London with public visibility to shock people into safe practice as a large number are still in denial that's why the Tube is in semi lockdown. Coming to a town local to you in the very near future ???? I'm not trying to frighten you for fun this is far more serious than government's can admit without turning the stock market and banks into empty shells. 

You might be right - but you might also be wrong - the experts are divided.  I am no expert but I have seen many times how people react in the face of danger/threat - and most of them dont react rationaly. Skepticsm has been my mantra for a long time now, and it has served me well.  Whenever I see people reacting so strongly to something, I look for the cause - most people see others running in a panic and they just join in without knowing why - the herd mentality. And then once they panic/worry, their thoughts take on a cognitive bias - which means every thing they see and hear reinforces their panic/fear. 

 

I look at Germany and I see a country that is 'bucking the trend'. In Germany there has been 13,979 confirmed cases and 42 deaths - mortality rate of 0.3% - and 60% of the positive tests were people under 60.  Why?  IMO because Germany is now  testing 160,000 tests a week - they are testing everyone.  Germany has by far the largest system to conduct the tests, and they are doing more in one week that most countries have done since the beginning. 

 

I dont know the total numbers of tests done in Germany - but I would estimate at least 400,000 have been tested (they say more than Korea but dont give a number) - that equates to an infection rate of 3.5% and a mortality rate of 0.3%

 

Korea has tested 270,000 people - and they started very early.  Korea has had 8652 positive test results - that equates to an infection rate of 3.2%.  Korea has had 94 deaths - that equates to a mortality rate of 1.1%

 

The Diamond Princess Ship was a very closed environment and had a lot of older people at a rate much higher than the normal popluation of most countries (Italy aside I think).  712 people got infected out of 3711 - an infection rate of 19.2%. 7 people died and that is a mortality rate of 0.9%.  That IMO is the worse case scenario.  20% infected and 1% die.  But that is on board a locked down ship stuck at sea - nil chance of 'social distancing' and a lot of 'shared air'.  The reality is that such an environment is a massive increase in the infection rate of any disease compared to normal society.

 

So what does that tell this skeptic? That the infection rate is not as high as the experts have been saying, and that the mortality rate is a lot lower then the experts are saying.  I reckon it will be in the end closer to the Kore and Germany outcomes.  Infection rate of 3-5% and mortality rate of 0.3-1.0%.

 

UK population of 70,000,000 and not all stuck together on a ship at sea. 

3% infection rate is 2,100,000 infected and with a mortality rate of 0.3% that is 6,300.

5% infection rate is 3,500,00 infected and with a mortality rate of 1.0% that is 35,000.

20% infection rate is 14,000,000 infected and with a mortality rate of 1.0% that is 140,000.

Upwards of 500,000 people die every year from seasonal flu (WHO does not have exact numbers).

 

I am very skeptical - but I am taking precautions just in case, and I have no plans to visit Wuhan, Italy or Korea.

But I am not scared or in a panic - this is not a highly contagious form of Ebola - if it was I would be scared.

 

[jacko45k]

22 hours ago, Ron jeremy said:

I'd like to see the lot of them in ICU with masks on breathing their last breath. Can't stay away from the booze, without question lowlifes from the UK!

How sympathetic of you.... if we are ever in need of a euthanasia executioner we shall keep you in mind. 

[JimLuce]

3 hours ago, RJRS1301 said:

For those nah sayers and its only a mild flu, please look at this: Of course it may be all a hoax involving thousnads of healthcare workers, scientists, etc

 

Of course if there are 300+ diagnosed then multiply that by 1.5 each day, with effective testing and see what the possible numbers may be until a plateau is reached.

 

 

That’s actually key right there the 1-14 day incubation period is why it’s scaring the hell out of everyone because you could be contagious BEFORE you know you’re sick. 

[DLock]

1 minute ago, JimLuce said:

That’s actually a MAJOR VIOLATION of these people’s privacy. Their faces should have been blacked out. Is it known who published this picture?

 

Is it? And that's a genuine question.

 

I know you can take photo's in a public place, but being in a bar is a public or private space?

 

Think paparazzi and street photographers...

 

But I don't want to take away from the topic at hand, so back to regular viewing...

[JimLuce]

2 minutes ago, DLock said:

 

Is it? And that's a genuine question.

 

I know you can take photo's in a public place, but being in a bar is a public or private space?

 

Think paparazzi and street photographers...

 

But I don't want to take away from the topic at hand, so back to regular viewing...

Normally it’s not appropriate to publish pictures of people’s faces in bars, nightclubs, or casinos. 

[DLock]

Just now, JimLuce said:

Normally it’s not appropriate to publish pictures of people’s faces in bars, nightclubs, or casinos. 

 

Perhaps...but is it illegal?

 

However...I do enjoy those YouTube video of Pattaya late night walking street - with all the last call punters negotiating through beer goggles. I wonder how many fools have been busted by their wife or friends...especially the ladyboy lovers...

 

 

[JimLuce]

15 minutes ago, DLock said:

 

Perhaps...but is it illegal?

 

However...I do enjoy those YouTube video of Pattaya late night walking street - with all the last call punters negotiating through beer goggles. I wonder how many fools have been busted by their wife or friends...especially the ladyboy lovers...

 

 

Well YouTube isn’t officially publishing it in the news. YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter is just the world we live in today. But when you’re a journalist publishing an article it’s still proper edict to black out the faces of pictures of people in places like bars. Journalists get sued all the time because of stuff like that. But I think this is more like a blog, right? Normally in Thailand they’re even more strict about stuff like this because of their very strict defamation laws. 

Edited March 21, 2020 by JimLuce