9 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

who told you that the CCP outlets?

nope .... Traubert did

17 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

who told you that the CCP outlets?

usually I don't like to provide unnecessary advise/advice, but here it goes, maybe better if you read and updated yourself a little before making these type of comments, FYI I don't rely on ANY CCP outlets for information, do you?

 

Health News

March 13, 2020 / 6:24 PM / 7 days ago

China sends medical supplies, experts to help Italy battle coronavirus

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-italy-respirators/china-sends-medical-supplies-experts-to-help-italy-battle-coronavirus-idUSKBN2101IM

China sends team of medical experts, gear to help Italy fight coronavirus

• Italian Foreign Minister Luigi Di Maio had asked his Chinese counterpart Wang Yi for assistance with supplies

 

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3074682/china-sends-team-medical-experts-gear-help-italy-fight

Edited March 20, 20206 yr by Mavideol

2 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

If the Chinese cannot be honest about where the virus started, actually they changed their minds when it blew up, how can we take their casualty numbers at face value? They lied about the numbers of dead at Tienanmen Sq, even the Chinese Red Cross said the real total was about 10x what the CCP claimed. Lets be honest unlike the CCP and start calling it the Wuhan virus.

The CCP and independent analysts already accept original patients retro tested were not connected to the Wuhan  market which has  caused serious  questions as to original source of infection.

It was because the original following cluster of infected  people were from the market area lead to the initial assumption that was the source.

The  mystery remains of source to "patient zero" and transmission from that/those  individual/s to the Wuhan market cluster. It was only the  sudden rapid appearance of that cluster that prompted an immediate investigation of infection which  revealed a new strain of  corona virus.

Had that cluster not occurred and instead random infection had occurred in a less specific spread it  would have taken  much longer to identify because the  symptoms and even the death from pneumonia  would have been likely to continue to have been attributed  to an influenza. As it was China reacted quite swiftly and more than appropriately in end response including WHO notification than nearly all other.

There are now increasing  reports from General Medical Doctors in other countries who in retrospect of patient cases presenting as far back as November now suspect they may have been  infected with Covid-19 but treated them as seasonal flu  victims albeit some with unusual and /or unusually severe  symptoms.

If those  patients were to be now also  retro tested for  antibodies  specific  to  Covid-19 and shown to be so what then happens to the assumed  blame? Maybe that retro test will denied out of convenience ?

The significance is that it would indicate that the  virus  had already been  "seeded" internationally and the origin much more obscure.

Instead of perpetuating pointless blame on  one place people in general should consider why after many many years of warnings as to a pandemic potential, calls to bolster or even plan response capacity it has  mostly been ignored or even reduced. No 10 out of 10 anywhere!

 

ps: A few minutes to enhance the passing of  time for those in need of  distraction. Maybe longer if  you are willing to understand what happens behind the scenes albeit retrospectively because that is all that it  can be.Not up to date  but.... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3884707/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 20, 20206 yr by Dumbastheycome
ps

3 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

I have a different opinion. Many have the virus and are contagious, but feel healthy and do not get sick. The long incubation period of 14 days or more is also a problem. It is not a question of not getting the virus yourself, but of not passing on the virus. The majority are old people who are at risk and people with previous illnesses. If everyone wore a face mask, it wouldn't hurt at all.

 

What you have to criticize is that there are not enough facial masks for the population.

Id  rather  follow the advice of Specialists in London  and the WHO rather than a  tin pot  facebook unscientific regime

22 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

nope .... Traubert did

Traubert's Thai tours are officially bankrupt ????

The total number of infected and death cases in Europe have already passed China a week or two ago.

 

China is equivalent to the whole of Europe combined in terms of land size and double the population in Europe.

 

China population = 1,400 million

Europe population = 740 million

 

Each province in China is equivalent to a country in Europe in terms of population and land size.

 

To compare based on number of country is the same as comparing a bicycle with a huge truck.

 

 

Edited March 20, 20206 yr by EricTh

Can you blame the CCP for manipulating the numbers?

Already the MSM cite their numbers and consider them truth.

Whomever thinks that China's COVID-19 numbers are accurate needs a head check. 

PLease do not multi quote, it causes problems when replying for other people and is also against forum rules.

 

5. Please do not quote multiple nested quotes. Quote only the relevant section that you are discussing. Moderators will snip excessively long nested quotes. 

 

A flame has also been removed

Off topic posts, inflammatory posts and the replies have been removed. 

10 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Working under these conditions to help the infected to survive is truly an heroic act .

I really hope that these healthcare workers won't get infected themselves .

To achieve that, 2 main points have to be fulfilled:

a) they need sufficient and good quality food to boost their resistance, so.. supermarket bosses: take care for our medical heroes they never find empty shelves

b) When you want somebody to win YOUR fight: give them the right arms, in this case protective clothes, mouth caps, desinfection gels. Even when this has to come out of your ptrivate stock. YOU might need it MAYBE next week, next month or never, THEY need it today to kill the virus thread for your next week/month. Be selfish.. help them first.

Edited March 20, 20206 yr by puipuitom

In China quarantine was even enforced with fire arms. In Italy, these 11 small cities/villages... even a Slovenia TV crew went in and out, sold their report to many, even Sat 22 Feb on Dutch RTL TV. Consumers left theri area for shopping. End when the real <deleted> broke out, many fled away into the rest of Italy and over Europe. THEN the economic impact could heve been small, now we have a catastropy over the entire world.

Remind the classic Hellenistic tyrants, in absolute charge over the democracy in case of disaster ! 

4 hours ago, EricTh said:

The total number of infected and death cases in Europe have already passed China a week or two ago.

 

China is equivalent to the whole of Europe combined in terms of land size and double the population in Europe.

 

China population = 1,400 million

Europe population = 740 million

 

Each province in China is equivalent to a country in Europe in terms of population and land size.

To compare based on number of country is the same as comparing a bicycle with a huge truck.

And as next: the Chinese gov'm simply ordered medical staff + equipment to be sent to these areas. Imagine: medical staff from .. Finland, Ireland, Portugal, Cyprus were sent to Lombardia – N-Italy.

12) Mouth masks, protective clothing, ketonatus alcohol for disinfection gets.. for so far still produced... was NOT exported ( and as capitalistic countries ( EU c.s.) outsourced these all, nearly nothing available in the EU. And if... the EU member states confiscated everything on their soil: Germany, France, Belgium...

3) When the CEO of China Inc. decides to allocate whatever ( build an emergency hospital in 10 days) it happens. In the democracy all have to do their talking, evaluation, discussion, conferencing, etc. In a WAR ( Pres Macron) you need ONE commander-in-chief, and not 27 captains

8 hours ago, Logosone said:

Sadly it was too late. European governments, rather than waiting for cases in their own country and then closing the borders should have closed the borders as soon as China announced cases in December. That was the only way. 

In the democratic madhouses nobody would have followed this up, see the quarantaine in Northern Italy and the present governmental warnings.

6 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

The CCP and independent analysts already accept original patients retro tested were not connected to the Wuhan  market which has  caused serious  questions as to original source of infection.

 

 

 

 

Of course the CCP will lie lie lie to save face after they admited Wuhan was the source, but who are these unnamed 'independent analysts' do tell

9 hours ago, christophe75 said:

And since we compare... why nobody is talking about :

-South Korea

-Taiwan

-Singapore

 

 

If you're going to compare South Korea, then you should mention the extreme testing and contact tracing going on there. The same levels as they're doing in China, which is why after a peak, there is a rapid decline in new cases. Many European countries are not testing extensively, whereas a friend of mine has just returned to a virus free area of China (and yes, I know, the Chinese government lies about everything which is why they put their economy on hold over nothing) and they tested every single returning passenger (Chinese and foreign passengers and still placed everyone under 14 day quarantine) These measures are not in place anywhere in Europe at them moment.

Italy does not deserve this what a catastrophe.

Thx to china...nice job guys.

My sister lives in Mogliano , about 15-20 min north of Venice. she is locked in her condominium, lucky for her she has a large terrace to get out and get some fresh air. 

I call her every day,so she has someone to talk to. I am in the US.

I asked her why Italy and particularly her are was hit so hard and early, She said that the area does a lot of business with China and that there is a very large Chinese community there that moves back and forth between industrial North Italy and China. 

Edited March 20, 20206 yr by sirineou

11 hours ago, Bassosa said:

Can you blame the CCP for manipulating the numbers?

Already the MSM cite their numbers and consider them truth.

Whomever thinks that China's COVID-19 numbers are accurate needs a head check. 

Yeh they have literally got away with murder.

Hope the real figs come out eventually

A total 427 deaths were registered in Italy over the past 24 hours, bringing the total nationwide tally to 3,405 since the outbreak surfaced on Feb. 21. China has recorded 3,245 deaths since early January.

 

It's heartbreaking to read such news. The " Batwuhan virus" would not be anywhere else if China would have been honest.

 

  

 

 

  

Title should read: "Italian government reports a higher death rate in Italy than what the Chinese government is reporting in China."

Just now, unsubscribe said:

Title should read: "Italian government reports a higher death rate in Italy than what the Chinese government is reporting in China."

Since the Italian government is recording every death as "coronavirus" that's hardly surprising

On 3/20/2020 at 10:56 AM, Logosone said:

Of all the European countries with large number of infected it is the Germans who have fared the best.

 

Almost 10,000 cases and not a SINGLE death.

 

Of course that is most likely due to German doctors being the best in the world and the excellent health care system. Definitely not due to the political response which was slow and pointless.

42 German deaths as of Friday. Stop your usual nonsense. This is not a Brexit thread.

On 3/20/2020 at 11:15 AM, Logosone said:

 

They don't, people catch the virus in Germany. However, with an overwhelmingly OLDER population, 10,000 identified cases, so in reality 100,000 or 200,000 cases Germany has ZERO deaths from coronavirus.

 

This is most likely because Germans have been pioneers in respiratory disease medicine and have excellent medical facilities, a very good health system and the best doctors in the world.

 

The Germans have provided three times the intensive care beds the UK has, for instance. A German company is a market leader in respirators.

 

The fact that all the other countries with large numbers of cases have deaths but Germany does not underlines this.

Unbelievable. Really. Just saw another source - 52 deaths.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/why-does-germany-have-low-coronavirus-death-rate/

Edited March 21, 20206 yr by nauseus

8 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

A total 427 deaths were registered in Italy over the past 24 hours, bringing the total nationwide tally to 3,405 since the outbreak surfaced on Feb. 21. China has recorded 3,245 deaths since early January.

 

It's heartbreaking to read such news. The " Batwuhan virus" would not be anywhere else if China would have been honest.

 

  

 

 

  

Chinese VIRUS! 

On 3/20/2020 at 7:44 PM, Orton Rd said:

Of course the CCP will lie lie lie to save face after they admited Wuhan was the source, but who are these unnamed 'independent analysts' do tell

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

I would not call WHO independent, they seem to have gone along with anything the CCP has said

11 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

I would not call WHO independent, they seem to have gone along with anything the CCP has said

I am with you on this, either China has a health care system far better than previously throught and as a result was able to save many lives (and I hope this is the case) or someone, somewhere in CCP is lying through their teeth. My heart says one thing and my head another. I find it odd that as the Chinese health care system seems to have been so good as saving lives, why are the Chinese not out their sharing their knowledge and expertise in this area with the rest of the world? 

 

 

1 hour ago, jonclark said:

I am with you on this, either China has a health care system far better than previously throught and as a result was able to save many lives (and I hope this is the case) or someone, somewhere in CCP is lying through their teeth. My heart says one thing and my head another. I find it odd that as the Chinese health care system seems to have been so good as saving lives, why are the Chinese not out their sharing their knowledge and expertise in this area with the rest of the world? 

 

 

Lying through their teeth unquestionably.  China's real numbers are staggering.

2 hours ago, jonclark said:

I am with you on this, either China has a health care system far better than previously throught and as a result was able to save many lives (and I hope this is the case) or someone, somewhere in CCP is lying through their teeth. My heart says one thing and my head another. I find it odd that as the Chinese health care system seems to have been so good as saving lives, why are the Chinese not out their sharing their knowledge and expertise in this area with the rest of the world? 

 

 

They could not even save Dr Li who blew the whistle dead aged 34 in his own hospital from the virus, unless you want to believe they did him in which would have been counter productive, even the CCP are not that stupid.

Edited March 22, 20206 yr by Orton Rd