Airalee Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 hours ago, wensiensheng said: What about it? There is superficial anecdotal evidence that it may help treat covid. Hardly a reason to rush out and od on the stuff as has happened in Nigeria. you and trump ar on the same page, leap on every possible treatment, no matter how tenuous the potential effectiveness and then claim that you brought the cure to mankind. Smh https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Thanks for bringing politics into it. I hate trump. Dumb@ss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airalee Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 hours ago, mikebike said: Sure... try leaches or suspended silver as well... If you are on a respirator you are under the care of health professionals, maybe best to follow their advice. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letseng Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 12 hours ago, Airalee said: What about that inexpensive antimalerial I’ve been reading about....hydroxychloroquine. Or is that not profitable enough for big pharma? Nobody knows how effective it is. Plus you need a high dose which is not so healthy either. Chinese tested but result is inconclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airalee Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Letseng said: Nobody knows how effective it is. Plus you need a high dose which is not so healthy either. Chinese tested but result is inconclusive. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airalee Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, DrTuner said: It's a treatment, not a prevention. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Here's an indication that he's right: https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinese-authorities-underreporting-new-infections-in-epicenter-of-wuhan-leaked-documents_3280343.html It ain't over in China either, they are just doing what commies do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Airalee said: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Well, I might've been wrong there. This part is very interesting to me: Quote Ammonium chloride inhibits SARS-CoV infection of Vero E6 cells I eat copious amounts of it, being Finnish, it's called Salmiakki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salty_liquorice I knew it was healthy ???? Edited March 23, 2020 by DrTuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airalee Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 11 minutes ago, DrTuner said: Well, I might've been wrong there. This part is very interesting to me: I eat copious amounts of it, being Finnish, it's called Salmiakki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salty_liquorice I knew it was healthy ???? I love black licorice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Airalee said: I love black licorice! I'm chewing some of my preventive measures right now ???? No idea how many bags of the stuff I must eat but I got plenty in stash. Yummy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeptic7 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 13 hours ago, Airalee said: What about that inexpensive antimalerial I’ve been reading about....hydroxychloroquine. Or is that not profitable enough for big pharma? Possibly...There are promising results using HCQ and especially when combined with Zithromax...albeit an extremely small test group. Not yet proven so much as approved, but promising initial results. https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/french-study-finds-anti-malarial-and-antibiotic-combo-could-reduce-covid-19-duration/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airalee Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 16 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said: Possibly...There are promising results using HCQ and especially when combined with Zithromax...albeit an extremely small test group. Not yet proven so much as approved, but promising initial results. https://techcrunch.com/2020/03/19/french-study-finds-anti-malarial-and-antibiotic-combo-could-reduce-covid-19-duration/ You might find this 2005 study interesting... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airalee Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 36 minutes ago, DrTuner said: I'm chewing some of my preventive measures right now ???? No idea how many bags of the stuff I must eat but I got plenty in stash. Yummy. Do they sell that in Bangkok? I had never heard of the “salty” variety before. Was interesting reading that link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Airalee said: Do they sell that in Bangkok? I had never heard of the “salty” variety before. Was interesting reading that link. There might be some from Haribo in the candy stores. I brought a 23kg bag of it from my last trip to Finland. I grew up on the stuff, fully addicted. I don't think it works if it's ingested as candy but it's tasty nonetheless ???? NH4Cl is a compound that's very easy to produce in mass and it is indeed sold in pharmacies in Finland ( Apteekin Salmiakki ) , it's hard-core Salmiakki and used as expectorant (I ate it for the taste as a kid). https://byjus.com/chemistry/ammonium-chloride/ Also used by vets: Quote It is used in veterinary medicine in the prevention of urinary stones in sheep, goats, and cattle. Edited March 23, 2020 by DrTuner 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 14 hours ago, leeneeds said: Reminds me of a nursery rhyme, Ring-a-ring-a-rosies A pocket full of posies A tissue, a tissue We all fall down A tissue, a tissue We all fall down The robin on the steeple Is singing to the people A tissue, a tissue We all… The ambiguity of many such rhymes can suddenly reveal relevance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 14 hours ago, Airalee said: What about that inexpensive antimalerial I’ve been reading about....hydroxychloroquine. Or is that not profitable enough for big pharma? Not yet proven to help, press is premature. There are trials underway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airalee Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Just now, Sheryl said: Not yet proven to help, press is premature. There are trials underway. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 10 minutes ago, Airalee said: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ None of these were clinical trials. They give reason to hope that chloroquinone and other compounds might be effective, but until we have the results of ongoing clinical trials with humans, it's all speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airalee Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, bristolboy said: None of these were clinical trials. They give reason to hope that chloroquinone and other compounds might be effective, but until we have the results of ongoing clinical trials with humans, it's all speculation. Once again....it all comes down to my original statement. But feel free to wait for a vaccine to be developed if you come down with it. Ya know...because. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 minute ago, Airalee said: Once again....it all comes down to my original statement. But feel free to wait for a vaccine to be developed if you come down with it. Ya know...because. What are you on about? I just noted that we have to await the results of ongoing clinical trials. What's that got to do with vaccines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 (edited) In any case, Germany's quarantine measures are still less strict than in Spain, France or Italy, which have all imposed drastic national lockdowns. German government policy is to 'do everything to find, isolate, test and treat every case' and 'locate every contact person'. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8141929/Why-Germanys-coronavirus-death-rate-low.html "What we really need to focus on is finding those who are sick, those who have the virus, and isolate them, find their contacts and isolate them," Mike Ryan said in an interview on the BBC's Andrew Marr Show." https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03/22/world/europe/22reuters-health-coronavirus-who-ryan.html Be like Germany! BE LIKE MIKE! Edited March 23, 2020 by Logosone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 16 hours ago, Airalee said: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/therapeutic-options.html Read the document carefully. There are no currently available data from Randomized Clinical Trials (RCTs) to inform clinical guidance on the use, dosing, or duration of hydroxychloroquine for prophylaxis or treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Anecdotal and In Vitro are not enough. What is needed is In Vivo evidence. Yes, there are some "Hail Mary" efforts made, but so far not much evidence to show that they actually worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airalee Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 17 minutes ago, geriatrickid said: Read the document carefully. There are no currently available data from Randomized Clinical Trials (RCTs) to inform clinical guidance on the use, dosing, or duration of hydroxychloroquine for prophylaxis or treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection. Anecdotal and In Vitro are not enough. What is needed is In Vivo evidence. Yes, there are some "Hail Mary" efforts made, but so far not much evidence to show that they actually worked. This study is from 2005. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/ They sure are taking their sweet time getting it into clinical trials so that we can have in-vivo evidence. That being said, I would take my chances with it. If you wouldn’t....well...up to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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