5 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

What has that to do with the USA?

Absolutely nothing...what is your point?

  trump know that he needs to be reelected to stay out of jail and he will do anything or take any risk with the country and the American people to do so. 

 They need to find a way to remove him. As bad as a president Pence would be. it would be infinitely better than trump.He is a national disaster. 

2 minutes ago, sirineou said:

  trump know that he needs to be reelected to stay out of jail and he will do anything or take any risk with the country and the American people to do so. 

 They need to find a way to remove him. As bad as a president Pence would be. it would be infinitely better than trump.He is a national disaster. 

conspiracy theories! "needs to be re elected to stay out of jail"

2 hours ago, riclag said:

The best economic POTUS in decades ! Unfortunately the medical induced economic condition of America is in crisis.

 

Who better to lead in a recovery effort,when the cv has been flat lined !

 

 

What I don't understand is, why is Trump wanting to start the economy next week while WHO is declaring that it is very likely that the US is about to become the epicenter of the Covid 19 crisis?

2 hours ago, samran said:

Comedy gold! 
 

So busy with tanking the economy and playing golf - how’s he going to find time to build that wall and lock Hillary up?

 Nonsense! The same way he found time  in 3 years under his watch to make it the greatest economy in the  world ,Where you been ! "so busy tanking  and playing golf" 

Even the liberal BBC many months ago  had to admit the economy was good

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430

 

22 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

What I don't understand is, why is Trump wanting to start the economy next week while WHO is declaring that it is very likely that the US is about to become the epicenter of the Covid 19 crisis?

Maybe I missed it but I didn't hear next week

10 hours ago, heybruce said:

Is this what you are referring to?

 

"An MSNBC network spokesperson said the network aired the briefing for more than an hour before cutting away "because the information no longer appeared to be valuable to the important ongoing discussion around public health.""

"Several people have criticized the administration’s daily coronavirus briefings for allegedly spreading misinformation and urged news networks not to show them live."   https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/489150-white-house-hits-cnn-msnbc-for-cutting-away-from-coronavirus-briefing

 

10 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

what do you think?

Or let me rephrase:

do you think?

I think you should stop making your ridiculous posts without sources.

 

I did what you constantly told me to do; I looked for a source to support your claim.  The above is the best I've come up with.  It doesn't say CNN and MSNBC will stop covering Trump's press conferences.  From this I conclude that your claim is BS.

 

Now provide a source for your claim and prove me wrong.

7 hours ago, Logosone said:

Finally a person able to lead.

 

Let's hope our spineless do nothing governments take a good look and start to bring back normality.

 

Self-isolation is not a long term solution. Testing, identifying and isolating the infected is the only way.

 

Good job America. Lead the way. Show the way out.

Good idea; self-isolate until there are enough test kits, medical staff, protective gear, etc. to determine who is infected and isolate them.

 

Unfortunately we don't have those kits, staff and gear, and it's unclear when we will.  So until then limit movement to critical services.

Edited March 24, 20206 yr by heybruce

6 hours ago, AussieBob18 said:

You are doing what the doomsayers are saying and causing the panic - worst/bad case scenarios. Your numbers are valid enough in a bad/worst case scenario - but that is not the issue I was talking about.  I am stating fact - when 60 million got infected and 12,000 died - the media did not at attack Obama and blame him - the media and most GOP and most conservatives did the right thing (red neck nutters aside) and left politics aside.  It is about time Trump haters did the same.

 

   

I stated, and provided the math using your numbers, that the mortality for swine flu was a small fraction of that for normal flu, and a fiftieth of the estimated mortality of Covid-19.  That's why comparing the national response to Covid-19 to the swine flu response is nonsense.

 

You're not a numbers person, are you?

32 minutes ago, riclag said:

 Nonsense! The same way he found time  in 3 years under his watch to make it the greatest economy in the  world ,Where you been ! "so busy tanking  and playing golf" 

Even the liberal BBC many months ago  had to admit the economy was good

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430

 

Trump inherited a strong economy then goosed it with massive deficit spending.  You are supposed to bring deficits down, not up, when the economy is strong.

 

Now Trump wants a lot more deficit spending on top of that he is already responsible for.  Those debts will have to be paid at some time.  Yet you still think Trump was good for the economy.

57 minutes ago, riclag said:

conspiracy theories! "needs to be re elected to stay out of jail"

How is it conspiracy, do you even know what a conspiracy is. 

"con·spir·a·cy

a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."

 

There is nothing secret here, charges are waiting for trump. He need to be

re- elected to run down the clock on the statute of limitations.

There are numerous charges pending that we know, and possibly many other sealed ones that we don't , furthermore if the democrats win the White House you can bet there will not be a Barr DOJ to protect him. 

 A simple google search will bring up dozens of articles by respected sources  on the subject. 

 

Wish trump had paid down debt not used up all the feds tools to inflate the stockmarket and listened to the qualified experts early on to respond in a timely manner to the covid 19 oh well it’s trump 

54 minutes ago, riclag said:

Maybe I missed it but I didn't hear next week

 

 

What's wrong with this picture?

 

Quote

 

Trump is ignoring his top health advisers over 2020 election fears

The US is halfway through Trump’s “15 days to slow the spread,” and he’s already pushing to end it — even with coronavirus cases on the rise.

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/23/21191289/trump-social-distancing-tweets-coronavirus

 

 

 

Quote

 

The US could soon become the epicenter of the coronavirus pandemic after a 'very large acceleration' in cases, WHO says

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-world-health-organisation-us-epicentre-pandemic-donald-trump-covid-2020-3

 

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8146515/U-S-potential-coronavirus-epicenter-says-WHO.html

"packed churches all over our country" ... in 18 days.... when we are projected to be losing 1,000 Americans per day to CV-19.

 

Unbelievable.

11 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Yet that totalitarian state has apparently  managed  to minimize social  impact and is  emerging into  a semblance of normality.

If virtue signaling is the social measure of ideology then perhaps given the dissent in the US where the assumption of preferred  ideology is  being covertly corrupted is the true test of the  moment?

The  biggest problem Trump has is that  although  he is  the  supreemo elected  representative  of  the "united " states  he  can  not over ride  Individual State  control  with  absolute autonomy without  extreme  exceptions.

How do you really know when they control everything the media is allowed to report? 

 

Sure, they can basically lock down anyone and everything whenever they want to. Imprison or detain whoever they want at any time for any reason. 

 

If you want to live in that kind of place, go for it 

1 minute ago, Chiphigh said:

How do you really know when they control everything the media is allowed to report? 

 

Sure, they can basically lock down anyone and everything whenever they want to. Imprison or detain whoever they want at any time for any reason. 

 

If you want to live in that kind of place, go for it 

We know it because countries that have enforced regimens not quite as harsh as the Chinese have reported similar outcomes.

4 hours ago, Tug said:

Wish trump had paid down debt not used up all the feds tools to inflate the stockmarket and listened to the qualified experts early on to respond in a timely manner to the covid 19 oh well it’s trump 

Sure, we should have been doing this for the last 10 years, where was your concern then? 

 

Or is it just another orange man bad thing? 

The fact is Trump is not going to be able to turn the economy back on.  People are not going to eat in restaurants, go to concerts, shop in malls, etc. because they are afraid.  And they will become more afraid as the Great Dying begins in earnest and skating rinks are converted to temporary morgues, etc.  Also, the lockdowns that have so far been imposed have been done by governors using their emergency powers and are not subject to revocation by the president.

 

Trump's lemmings will believe him and start congregating again and they will suffer the consequences just like the moron who killed himself taking chloroquine on Trump's recommendation.  

 

Trump, a failed businessman with no expertise of his own, does not believe the public health experts, because he doesn't understand what expertise actually is.  There is hardly any point is accusing Trump of lacking empathy.  Trump does not understand what empathy is.  Anyone who has had to work with a psychopath is familiar with that mentality.

Edited March 25, 20206 yr by cmarshall

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

We know it because countries that have enforced regimens not quite as harsh as the Chinese have reported similar outcomes.

So you are wanting basically Marshall law to be imposed? And do you believe the reporting from China is completely accurate? 

 

They have lied about this since the beginning, what has changed? 

 

 

Just now, cmarshall said:

The fact is Trump is not going to be able to turn the economy back on.  People are not going to eat in restaurants, go to concerts, shop in malls, etc. because they are afraid.  And they will become more afraid as the Great Dying begins in earnest and skating rinks are converted to temporary morgues, etc.  Also, the lockdowns that have so far been imposed have been done by governors using their emergency powers and are not subject to revocation by the president.

 

Trump's lemmings will believe him and start congregating again and they will suffer the consequences just like the moron who killed himself taking chloroquine on Trump's recommendation.  

 

Trump, a failed businessman with no expertise of his, does not believe the public health experts, because he doesn't understand what expertise actually is.  There is hardly any point is accusing Trump of lacking empathy.  Trump does not understand what empathy is.  Anyone who has had to work with a psychopath is familiar with that mentality.

What a load of nonsense. You have an obvious opinion and bias, but this load of tripe is ridiculous. 

1 minute ago, Chiphigh said:

So you are wanting basically Marshall law to be imposed? And do you believe the reporting from China is completely accurate? 

 

They have lied about this since the beginning, what has changed? 

 

 

You questioned the accuracy of China's claims I pointed out that other countries have taken similar steps and reported similar results. What is there about that that you don't understand?

1 minute ago, Chiphigh said:

So you are wanting basically Marshall law to be imposed? And do you believe the reporting from China is completely accurate? 

 

They have lied about this since the beginning, what has changed? 

 

 

Yes, the reporting from China is substantially accurate as is the reporting from S. Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and Hong Kong.

 

You mean "martial law."

2 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

So you are wanting basically Marshall law to be imposed? And do you believe the reporting from China is completely accurate? 

 

They have lied about this since the beginning, what has changed? 

 

 

 

If you believe China's numbers are false, and I'd say that a pretty reasonable view, all the more reason to maintain social distancing until new case and death statistics warrant a change in response posture.

2 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

If you believe China's numbers are false, and I'd say that a pretty reasonable view, all the more reason to maintain social distancing until new case and death statistics warrant a change in response posture.

Why would you say that's a reasonable view given that countries that have emulated the Chinese approach also report a much lower rate of infection?

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

You questioned the accuracy of China's claims I pointed out that other countries have taken similar steps and reported similar results. What is there about that that you don't understand?

I questioned the truth of china's reporting and methods based on the fact that they lied about this since the beginning, is there something that you don't understand? 

8 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

Yes, the reporting from China is substantially accurate as is the reporting from S. Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, and Hong Kong.

 

You mean "martial law."

So you think the reporting is accurate and transparent. Even though they lied about this since the beginning. 

 

Interesting. 

 

Thank you for the spelling correction, we need more hall monitors. 

2 minutes ago, Chiphigh said:

I questioned the truth of china's reporting and methods based on the fact that they lied about this since the beginning, is there something that you don't understand? 

But other countries that don't lie about their methods and have adopted China's approach report similar results, The only way your objection makes sense is if you claim that South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong are also lying. 

The countries that followed the best practices of widespread testing, compulsory isolation of positives, and contact tracing have contained the virus including China, S. Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan.  The countries that failed to follow best practices report higher infection, higher death rates, and an inability to stop community transmission including Italy, the US, Spain, Germany, France, etc.

 

Because China failed to respond promptly to the initial outbreak including suppresing information, they had to take the drastic step of quarantining first Wuhan and shortly after Hubei.  After they started following the best practices then never had to declare a total quarantine of another city.  And now two months later they are begining to relax their strict procedures.

 

In the next two months Americans will wish they had a government as competent as China's.

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Why would you say that's a reasonable view given that countries that have emulated the Chinese approach also report a much lower rate of infection?

Because China has a tendency to inflate numbers or minimize numbers according to how it serves the needs of the party in power. Most economic numbers that come out of China are false. Everyone knows they are false, so people who need to know what's actually going on look for proxies for those numbers. For instance. most peope don't believe their GDP numbers, so the look at electricity consumption as a proxy for production. That's whay many factories kept their lights on and machines running around the clock during this recent epidemic there, even though there were no workers and no production..