Trump drops idea of New York lockdown as U.S. death count crosses 2,000

[J Town]

1 hour ago, ChrisY1 said:

Have to feel for American citizens...whilst over 50% approve of him, he remains a nutcase to the rest of the world!

No. He has a base of 37%, he's not adding to that number, and I personally know several people (including my son thank gawd!) who have finally woken up to what a bad man he is and have renounced their allegiance. No more kissing the ring from them.

[Sheryl]

I must say that the prospect of Gov. Cuomo suing the state of Rhode Island brought me some needed comic relief this morning.

 

(I'm not a Cuomo fan...but I think he has been handling the crisis well.)

[ChouDoufu]

14 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I suspect your very much WRONG! Right now trump backed down so it is meaningless what you suspect anyways.

doesn't really matter, though.  trump was not tweetering as an actual intended policy, but to get cuomo's public opposition to a quarantine.  the idea was to get him on record as against it, so as to have someone to blame as new york's health infrastructure collapses and the virus is spread to other areas by those fleeing the city or state.

[wwest5829]

3 hours ago, wombat said:

if Trump could turn water to wine the democrats would accuse him of pollution.
which reminds me, how are your 401(k) in the time of coronavirus?

 

Down 10% currently. Should have investment in ventilators and ... coffins.

[Monomial]

2 hours ago, natway09 said:

I am not a great lover of the BBC but their veiled comments about this Trump 

are spot on (or as close to the truth as they are able.)

Incidently he can go to a packed Church to celebrate Easter but I will take a rain check

All he thinks about is money not "lets fix this".

 

Trump's support base is made up of people who by and large think the whole emergency is overblown. Even my sister, who lives in Washington state (a coronavirus hotbed) and is not a Trump supporter, thinks this whole thing is unnecessary. There are millions upon millions who perceive this as nothing more than a flu with a heightened chance of contracting viral pneumonia.  And they are not necessarily wrong.

 

When Trump makes statements about money, rather than "let's fix this",  he is playing good politics because most of his support base, and even a good percentage of those who are not his supporters, believe it is not worth risking the economy to "fix this".  Of course, he has to be careful because the increased incidence of viral pneumonia with Covid-19 is very real, so it's a balance. Remember this is an election year. If he can come off as the voice of reason amongst a bunch of panicked healthcare workers, he can pick up votes.

 

I understand what he is doing. It's fun to say he is an idiot. He's not. He may be a psycopath and a demagogue, but he is quite shrewd. He makes statements that appeal to the majority of Americans. That is why he won the presidency. Ultimately he is concerned only about himself which makes him an awful president, but that is not a discussion for this thread.

 

[Jonnapat]

Sounds like a case of the right hand not knowing what the left is doing.

Total confusion and by far the worst response to this pandemic than almost any other country in the world. 

[Redline]

8 hours ago, BTB1977 said:

The democrats that run the state and the cities of New York are waiting for what? They control in times of a state of emergency.  So they are setting still until all hell breaks loose  and can blame Trump.  

For life saving supplies from the federal government, that were supposed to be stockpiled.  He, and his team, were warned about this years ago.

 

[Redline]

5 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

the feds have the power to quarantine the states.  commerce clause regulates interstate commerce, which has been used repeatedly to pass laws that ordinary people wouldn't think should come under federal regulations.

 

power is granted to congress, but aside from some political grandstanding, i wouldn't expect much pushback.  is suspect congress would allow trump to do this with an executive order using the emergency decree, and let him take the heat in the press.  as with the war powers act, they'll let the executive branch usurp their powers.

 

this wouldn't be a wuhan-style lockdown.  it would be stopping transit at state borders, leaving internal quarantine up to the local authorities.

Republicans wouldn’t even go for that 

[Kelsall]

The leftist cities of NYC and SF are doomed.  Not even Trump can save them.  And, who can blame RI cops for stopping New York cars?

 

 

[metisdead]

Some troll posts have been removed. 

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, Redline said:

For life saving supplies from the federal government, that were supposed to be stockpiled.  He, and his team, were warned about this years ago.

 

There is a 69 pages pandemic guidelines written in 2016 by the NSC which Trump ignored. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

[Nyezhov]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

There is a 69 pages pandemic guidelines written in 2016 by the NSC which Trump ignored. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

1. What guideline did Trump ignore?

2. What is the effect the ignoring of the guidline?

3. Is the guideline that is ignored still in force?

4. Have those guidelines been modified?

5. Are there other guidelines from different agencies?.

 

I could go on, but folks get the picture. Its alwys easy to tell when folks get hoisted on their own rhetoric by the number of confused and sad smilies from the usual folks.

 

And how is that "pandemic guideline" on topic. O yes, what does it say about Quarantining? LOL

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

doesn't really matter, though.  trump was not tweetering as an actual intended policy, but to get cuomo's public opposition to a quarantine.  the idea was to get him on record as against it, so as to have someone to blame as new york's health infrastructure collapses and the virus is spread to other areas by those fleeing the city or state.

Perhaps trump should be doing something about the crisis instead of playing politics with it.

[earlinclaifornia]

10 hours ago, Kelsall said:

The leftist cities of NYC and SF are doomed.  Not even Trump can save them.  And, who can blame RI cops for stopping New York cars?

 

 

Dr. Anthony Fauci points out that as major world hubs, it is expected the numbers will be the highest in the US. But somehow you choose to narrative as Leftist. Sad. Allegiance to this president has a huge cost but his supporters will follow him to the grave.

[Nyezhov]

13 hours ago, Jonnapat said:

Sounds like a case of the right hand not knowing what the left is doing.

Total confusion and by far the worst response to this pandemic than almost any other country in the world. 

Thats sort of like predicting the score of a baaseball game at the end of the third,

 

29 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Dr. Anthony Fauci points out that as major world hubs, it is expected the numbers will be the highest in the US. But somehow you choose to narrative as Leftist.

Well the cities being most affected right now are Leftist controlled. I wonder if they will ever give us a socioeconomic analysis? Does anyone want to know the population and poverty stats in the are that hard hit Elmhurst Hospital serves? Easy to find. Or is that Not PC.

 

By the way, how are DeBlasios marks for doing his part in this crisis?

 

34 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Allegiance to this president has a huge cost but his supporters will follow him to the grave.

Would that please you?

[bristolboy]

And now trump is now suggesting some kind of criminality or conspiracy because of the high consumption of face masks in NYC. No, I'm not kidding.

“Where are the masks going? Are they going out the back door? How do you go from 10,000 to 300,000 [masks used per week], and we have that in a lot of different places."

https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-coronavirus-donald-trump-new-york-masks-hospitals-20200329-xat7grl26zg6xddflgvtu447uq-story.html

“Where are the masks going -- are they going out the back door?” he added. “Somebody should probably look into that, because I just don’t see from a practical standpoint how that’s possible to go from that to that, and we have that happening in numerous places.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-29/trump-suggests-a-new-york-hospital-losing-masks-because-of-crime

[earlinclaifornia]

4 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Thats sort of like predicting the score of a baaseball game at the end of the third,

 

Well the cities being most affected right now are Leftist controlled. I wonder if they will ever give us a socioeconomic analysis? Does anyone want to know the population and poverty stats in the are that hard hit Elmhurst Hospital serves? Easy to find. Or is that Not PC.

 

By the way, how are DeBlasios marks for doing his part in this crisis?

 

Would that please you?

I do think trump health wise has a huge risk. Obesity has a way of killing those off young. I don't ever take pleasure in anyone dying. 

[bristolboy]

5 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

Well the cities being most affected right now are Leftist controlled. I wonder if they will ever give us a socioeconomic analysis? Does anyone want to know the population and poverty stats in the are that hard hit Elmhurst Hospital serves? Easy to find. Or is that Not PC.

Actually it's a very PC question. You see, before the advent of Obamacare, people in the lower economic classes had poorer outcomes because they couldn't afford regular medical treatment. But with Medicaid having been vastly extended, their outcomes are better. They can now get treatment before something becomes an emergency. And that included preventive care.

 

What would be a really interesting question now that hospitals in nyc are way overstressed, is how much better outcomes are the rich getting now than they did before? I doubt that they can buy special treatment now except by migrating to states that are currently less stressed. And they probably aren't going to be welcome there even if they do manage to hire a private jet.

 

And there's another interesting question. Are private jet and helicopter flights allowed except for parties involved in battling the virus? Or are those who can afford it still allowed to transmit the illness via this route?

 

Edit: At least on March 10 it was still allowed:

Private jets are taking off because of coronavirus

According to CEO Adam Twidell, the company are receiving a "significant number of requests" from Americans currently in Europe who are seeking to return to the US, as well as those keen to fly from Europe to the UK, which is exempt from the ban at present.

"One client is flying her daughter home to the US from University in France, and several of her fellow students (who are also US citizens) are sharing the flight back with her."

https://edition.cnn.com/travel/article/coronavirus-private-jets/index.html

Edited March 30, 2020 by bristolboy

[bristolboy]

Just now, earlinclaifornia said:

Please, pray tell, show me where you have any proof that Trump says things that appeal to the majority of Americans. 37% yes but not at all close to even 50%. Please share any enlightenment

I'm sure he does actually but what does that signify? Lots of it is vague stuff. Very little of his real policy initiatives get majority support. Taxes definitely not. ACA, no. Immigration. No. 

[earlinclaifornia]

23 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

I'm sure he does actually but what does that signify? Lots of it is vague stuff. Very little of his real policy initiatives get majority support. Taxes definitely not. ACA, no. Immigration. No. 

My brother retired in Florida likes what he says. He is not willing to say more than that, nothing, unable to discuss politics. His best man at his wedding was actually the most raciest person I had ever encountered. I don't believe that anything close to a majority think like my brother.

[Redline]

18 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

There is a 69 pages pandemic guidelines written in 2016 by the NSC which Trump ignored. 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/25/trump-coronavirus-national-security-council-149285

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/28/trump-coronavirus-politics-us-health-disaster

[earlinclaifornia]

58 minutes ago, Redline said:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/28/trump-coronavirus-politics-us-health-disaster

I dare a trump supporter to respond after they read this. Truth is they will deny, deflect and say even if it is true so what.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I dare a trump supporter to respond after they read this. Truth is they will deny, deflect and say even if it is true so what.

Yes blood is on his hands and ironically probably the majority of the dead directly caused by his narcissism and incompetence will likely be people in his base. 

[Jingthing]

On 3/29/2020 at 3:14 PM, robblok said:

Im sure there are far more qualified people around then Trump. I mean the man is totally unsuitable for the job. I wonder why so many Americans like him must have something to do with the fact its a two party system and they hate voting for the other side. In other words they had to vote for him otherwise their side would lose. Can't imagine people really supporting him or thinking he is a good president, more like if I don't vote for him the other side might win. 

You really don't get it. To his hard core base he is the leader of a cult of personality. It's a cousin of religious worship. No its obviously not based on rationality. Now that the US is in crisis to have a leader like that has become even more tragic than before. 

[earlinclaifornia]

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, blood is on his hands and ironically probably the majority of the dead directly caused by his narcissism and incompetence will likely be people in his base. 

Yes, you can see trump red states Louisiana, Texas and soon Florida will face explosive case loads.

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/03/29/coronavirus-updates-texas-500-new-cases/

 

[J Town]

NOT Trump's fault:

virus existence.

Trump's fault:

Eliminating the pandemic response team

Slashing the CDC budget

Refusing to allow W.H.O. tests into the USA

Giving false information related to the coronavirus

Hate crimes resulting from calling it the "China virus"

[bristolboy]

22 minutes ago, J Town said:

NOT Trump's fault:

virus existence.

Trump's fault:

Eliminating the pandemic response team

Slashing the CDC budget

Refusing to allow W.H.O. tests into the USA

Giving false information related to the coronavirus

Hate crimes resulting from calling it the "China virus"

He didn't actually slash the CDC budget. He tried to. But Congress wouldn't let him. He did let a 5 year prefunded pandemic program die despite Congressional support to its continuation.

[J Town]

15 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

He didn't actually slash the CDC budget. He tried to. But Congress wouldn't let him. He did let a 5 year prefunded pandemic program die despite Congressional support to its continuation.

You are correct at this time - but he is still trying to slash their budget to this day in light of the pandemic.

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

You are correct at this time - but he is still trying to slash their budget to this day in light of the pandemic.

Also slashing funding to biomedical research.

Trump’s new budget cuts all but a favored few science programs

For the fourth straight year, President Donald Trump has proposed sizable reductions in federal research spending. To be sure, it’s no longer news that the president wants deep cuts to the budgets of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), the National Science Foundation (NSF), and science programs at the Department of Energy (DOE) and NASA. And in past years, Congress has rejected similar proposals and provided increases

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/02/trump-s-new-budget-cuts-all-favored-few-science-programs

 

[Redline]

21 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

I dare a trump supporter to respond after they read this. Truth is they will deny, deflect and say even if it is true so what.

It’s real disaster-save this article because it should be widely dispersed in October.  That’s what happens when you put loyalty before competence!