31 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

It would take me too long to write it all down.

You can do the research if you could be bothered.

The fact that the Chinese lied and obsfucated is the main issue. That's where people's anger should be channeled, but the Dems and leftie loons can't help themselves

Give us a quick summary then. He was directly asked this question by a journalist and refused to answer it, instead just calling her names. Let's make it easy, just give us the top 3 things he did during that time period.

It's sad when you have people siding with the malevolent, evil CCP over the American President.

In fact it's downright pathetic

14 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

With that said, be mindful that many deaths today are being labeled as coronavirus deaths but the patient was already on dialysis for kidney failure,

There are obviously difficult decisions being made by doctors about causes of death... there will be a scale, sometimes the virus will kill someone with probably just a week to live anyway, sometimes 6 months, sometimes a year. Where could you put a cut off point and say this person was killed by the virus but this person shouldn't count in the statistics because they were terminally ill. 

 

There will be cases where patients are incorrectly labelled as Covid deaths I am sure. I am also confident that people will be dying of Covid in care homes and houses without a test who had the virus but won't count in the official statistics. The number in this 2nd category will be much larger than the first.

 

Analysis of death data and comparisons of total numbers of deaths with previous years are already showing this in Italy and the UK.

5 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

You are an opportunity for fact checking in all your postings.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/

The link I provided was a fact check, but is accurate, by Reuters.

It points out the bias in factcheck's fact check.

Edited April 23, 20206 yr by rabas

A troll post and a reply has been removed

12 minutes ago, rabas said:

The link I provided was a fact check, but is accurate, by Reuters.

It points out the bias in factcheck's fact check.

Yeh it's amazing how many people assume every fact check website is legit! Most are biased and people fall for it every time!

A complete lack of critical thinking by most

16 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

It's sad when you have people siding with the malevolent, evil CCP over the American President.

In fact it's downright pathetic

Actually, most of us are siding with the truth over both the lying CCP and lying Trump.

8 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Yeh it's amazing how many people assume every fact check website is legit! Most are biased and people fall for it every time!

A complete lack of critical thinking by most

Obviously you are getting your information from your preferred sources. Are you thinking through those sources before you critique. 

18 minutes ago, Canuck1966 said:

Yeh it's amazing how many people assume every fact check website is legit! Most are biased and people fall for it every time!

Fact check sites usually quote multiple experts, often give data from a range of sources to explain why one particular statistic may be misleading and uses language that suggests balance such as ‘it is likely that...’ 

 

Am sure they occasionally do make errors but they are a lot more trustworthy than the opinion people on Fox News and msnbc who twist everything to suit their own political agenda.

Difficult painful times. Somehow with figures like this make me wonder how the hopes and Plan to open up the US economy (or other high infection rate countries) in a few weeks as it planned by the administration (even a staged opening) can be realistically entrained.

 

27 minutes ago, chessman said:

Fact check sites usually quote multiple experts, often give data from a range of sources to explain why one particular statistic may be misleading and uses language that suggests balance such as ‘it is likely that...’ 

 

Am sure they occasionally do make errors but they are a lot more trustworthy than the opinion people on Fox News and msnbc who twist everything to suit their own political agenda.

Some are and some are not. There is nothing about a fact check site that prevents bias. But I agree most are better than agendized MSM.

If those who tout opening up normal or semi normal functioning, state or federally, are found to be premature, wrong I.e. infection and death numbers shoot up again and clusters start appearing all over the US or in individual states then such decisions will be a sad sad thing.

I wonder, Gods forbid if this increase happens then those who have spruked and demanded their constitutional rights to do as they choose, how will they carry such decisions?

I’d hazzard a guess whichever camp you sit in; restrain and isolate longer one or open and take your chances camp both will blame others for what happens. 

7 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

I’d hazzard a guess whichever camp you sit in; restrain and isolate longer one or open and take your chances camp both will blame others for what happens. 

Isn’t that the truth!
 

the models predict x number of people dying if nothing is done. So all governments do something. Then people blame the models and say ‘those models were wrong, things aren’t that bad’.

17 minutes ago, rabas said:

Some are and some are not. There is nothing about a fact check site that prevents bias. But I agree most are better than agendized MSM.

Do you include Fox News in your "agendized MSM" category?

11 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

If those who tout opening up normal or semi normal functioning, state or federally, are found to be premature, wrong I.e. infection and death numbers shoot up again and clusters start appearing all over the US or in individual states then such decisions will be a sad sad thing.

I wonder, Gods forbid if this increase happens then those who have spruked and demanded their constitutional rights to do as they choose, how will they carry such decisions?

I’d hazzard a guess whichever camp you sit in; restrain and isolate longer one or open and take your chances camp both will blame others for what happens. 

It’s a difficult balancing decision whether to continue strict social distancing or take a chance. Singapore can be taken as an example of relaxing strict surveillance too fast and see their infection spiked from a low thousand to current 10,000 infections within less than a month. Better to err on side of caution and maintain strict social distancing longer for a more sustained recovery than a yielding to the business people and open up too quickly and risk more infection and prolong the business slump. 

Think DT and most Americans are struggling with this assassin that can't be shot???? 

2 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

Sigh, you are another who is ideologically possessed and can't see clearly.

He acted plenty quick enough and even took a lot of flack from Dems who called him Ray Cyst

He literally did nothing in February except downplay the problem, attend rallies and golf. 
his orders to ban travel from China was flawed and still allowed over  430,000 people to travel to US after the ban was put in place. 
he failed to provide access to testing because he didn’t want foreign assistance or to allow the people to know the extent of infection.

he consistently downplayed the risks and severity of the problem, even saying it would “magically disappear” 

your perception is the one clouded by magical thinking

2 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

It would take me too long to write it all down.

You can do the research if you could be bothered.

The fact that the Chinese lied and obsfucated is the main issue. That's where people's anger should be channeled, but the Dems and leftie loons can't help themselves

Unable to list anything huh?

2 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

Dear me, as I posted earlier the ideologically possessed are unable to think rationally

Now your just spitting out other people’s sound bites to protect your own small minded perspective. 

2 hours ago, rabas said:

NOTE: The specific date range Feb 1 to mid March. Why?

 

President Trump issued a "Proclamation on Suspension of Entry as Immigrants and Non immigrants or Persons who Pose a Risk of Transmitting 2019 Novel Coronavirus" on January 31, 2020. This prevents most foreign nationals from being able to enter the U.S. if they have travelled to China within the past 14 days.  President Trump issued a travel ban to European countries in March 2020. 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-travel-exclusi/exclusive-u-s-to-add-britain-ireland-to-european-travel-ban-airline-u-s-officials-idUSKBN2110UF

February! February is the month between January and March.it is the month where when you searched for action by Trump’s administration and you came up empty handed. It is the month where his only actions were to mislead about the virus and saying it would magically disappear. 

The flawed travel ban still permitted 430000 entries from China after it was enacted. And the huge numbers that already entered before the ban remained in the country. 

Edited April 23, 20206 yr by d2b2

And if anyone thought the Dems and Media were not going to stoop so low as to blame Trump for all the deaths due to Covid for political reasons - you were wrong.  Their Russia scam failed. Their Impeachment scam failed. Now they are grabbing on to their last probable chance to attack Trump before the election - they are using the deaths of Americans. Some in USA are even saying that Dems/Media conspired with CCP to switch the attack form blaming China to blaming Trump.  But I believe the American people will see through this for exactly what it is - inhuman political expedience the likes of which have never been seen before - there is no basement for how low the left wing will go. 

2 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

It's sad when you have people siding with the malevolent, evil CCP over the American President.

In fact it's downright pathetic

It is sad when the American President has alienated all the other nations and his own citizens. Nobody is siding with CCP, they are holding Trump accountable for his actions and failure to ever accept any responsibility 

11 minutes ago, d2b2 said:

Now your just spitting out other people’s sound bites to protect your own small minded perspective. 

You are making my point for me 

1 minute ago, AussieBob18 said:

there is no basement for how low the left wing will go. 

There is no basement for how low the right will go to try and deflect blame. 
 

how about a government that says “we made a lot of mistakes but it was a difficult and unprecedented problem (look, many European countries made similar mistakes) and we are trying to improve, let’s work together to overcome this”

You can see what idiot is in charge. R.I.P

6 hours ago, stevenl said:

Deaths are the result of earlier infections, so not a good indication for opening or not. New infections should be looked at for that decision.

And the demographics of those who died, so that those who have no more risk of this than flu, can resume life as normal.  Only those at-risk need to shelter-in-place. 

All the latest testing indicates this is much more widespread in the population than previously believed - therefore much less dangerous than previously believed.

Quote

 

The CDC is now "actively looking into" into universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter.

The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago because of a small cluster of cases there.

Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms.

 

https://www.boston25news.com/news/cdc-reviewing-stunning-universal-testing-results-boston-homeless-shelter/Z253TFBO6RG4HCUAARBO4YWO64/

Similar at prisons, LA County testing, and others.

But having destroyed our economies, "leaders" aren't about to admit they and their "experts" were wrong - so are now in full-blown "CYA" mode.  Trump claims "Millions" would have did, if he "didn't act," as the most extreme-policy governors become all the more shrill in their screeching. 

The "record increase" in the USA, to which this article refers, is partially the result of  CDC "guidance" for docs to put 'covid-19' on death certificates, even when no test has been done to determine if the person had the virus, and, when they were shown to have it, even if their actual cause of death was Stage IV cancer (and similar).  The other cause, is taking weeks-old or months-old "re-classified as covid" deaths, and adding them to CURRENT totals, as if they had just died.

Also, Trump recently criticized the Gov of GA for his not following federal guidelines.

Edited April 23, 20206 yr by JackThompson

4 minutes ago, chessman said:

There is no basement for how low the right will go to try and deflect blame. 
how about a government that says “we made a lot of mistakes but it was a difficult and unprecedented problem (look, many European countries made similar mistakes) and we are trying to improve, let’s work together to overcome this”

Wrong. The right are not blaming the Dems or Media - they are refuting the rubbish claims that Trump has killed thousands of people and all the deaths are his fault. 

Agree - that would be nice - which one first? China? 

6 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

The "record increase" in the USA, to which this article refers, is partially the result of  CDC "guidance" for docs to put 'covid-19' on death certificates, even when no test has been done to determine if the person had the virus, and, when they were shown to have it, even if their actual cause of death was Stage IV cancer (and similar).  The other cause, is taking weeks-old or months-old "re-classified as covid" deaths, and adding them to CURRENT totals, as if they had just died.
 

This is just another act of those who would do and say things to gain a political advantage (Dems/Media) using their influence and control to make Trump/GOP look bad.

 

If anyone can find an anti-Trump media outlet (you know the list) who questions the increase as just a 'statistical adjustment' and it is not a real increase in deaths, then please post it here.  

Edited April 23, 20206 yr by AussieBob18

3 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

The right are not blaming the Dems or Media - they are refuting the rubbish claims that Trump has killed thousands of people and all the deaths are his fault. 

You know this is not true. The right are doing plenty of blaming and scapegoating. 

1 hour ago, Canuck1966 said:

It's sad when you have people siding with the malevolent, evil CCP over the American President.

In fact it's downright pathetic

B.S.! Nobody is siding with CCP. Fact is that, with the same level of information, some countries have acted efficiently and others not.

On January 12 the details of genotype were made public, on January 17 a protocol to make tests was found in Germany and published by the ITU. South Korea launched an emergency initiative to design and produce tests in order to fight the virus spread and succeeded. In Europe, Germany did the same and is currently succeeding to fight the epidemic. Other European countries such as F or UK did nothing, the US did nothing.

So yes, BoJo, Macron and Trump are guilty. Trump is even more guilty as the outburst started about two weeks later in the US than in Europe, so he had more time available to prepare his country. 

And it's not only about tests, it's also about other medical equipments and products, making plans, etc....