webfact Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Thailand reports 18 new coronavirus cases, no new deaths FILE PHOTO: Reuters BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand's new coronavirus cases rose to 18 on Monday, after falling to single-digits for the past week, but the country reported no new deaths. Monday's report brought the total number of cases to 2,987 since the new virus was detected in Thailand in January, with a total of 54 deaths. The new cases were migrants who were entering Thailand through an immigration checkpoint in the southern province of Songkhla, which shares a border with Malaysia, said Taweesin Wisanuyothin, a spokesman of the government's Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration. They were all being quarantined in an immigration detention centre, along with 42 cases found previously on April 25, Taweesin said. (Reporting by Patpicha Tanakasempipat) -- © Copyright Reuters 2020-05-04 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rkidlad Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 Read a report of 40 people yesterday who were tested positive in Yala. Whoever oversees the tests didn’t like the numbers and they were tested again. After second round of testing, the 40 were then found to be negative. They will be tested again in Bangkok, apparently. Would be interesting to know if all these tests were done using the same test kits. If so, where do these test kits come from and where else have they been used? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 Strange because they reported 40 new cases last night: A second set of swabs from 40 asymptomatic in-patients at a hospital in Yala, southern Thailand, were sent to a laboratory in neighbouring Songkhla for analysis. Now the health office has confirmed the 40 new Covid-19 cases in Yala. The huge spike in local cases has sent health officials scurrying to trace those who had been in contact with the contaminants. https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/cv19-asia/cv19-thailand/40-confirmed-covid-19-cases-surface-in-southern-yala-province Although an update on that this morning is that they have now retested those 40 cases and they were found to be negative? I've heard of false negative tests before but this is a first for false positive. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webfact Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 18 illegal immigrants found to carry Covid-19 in Songkhla By The Nation Thailand's Covid-19 count rose sharply over a 24-hour period with 18 people testing positive, ending a week of single-digit new cases. Cumulative cases rose to 2,987, Dr Taweesin Visanuyothin, spokesman of the government’s Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration, said on Monday (May 4). All the 18 new cases were found at the Songkhla Immigration Detention Centre in Songkhla province. The patients are illegal immigrants. Of the total 2,987 cases, 2,470 have recovered, 193 remain under treatment at hospitals while deaths remain unchanged at 54. Meanwhile, he said the 40 suspected new cases in Yala province reported on Sunday, turned out to be negative when retested. He said the tests would done again at a Bangkok lab, and the CCSA will report the outcome later. Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30387242?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=internal_referral -- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-05-04 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rkidlad Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: Strange because they reported 40 new cases last night: A second set of swabs from 40 asymptomatic in-patients at a hospital in Yala, southern Thailand, were sent to a laboratory in neighbouring Songkhla for analysis. Now the health office has confirmed the 40 new Covid-19 cases in Yala. The huge spike in local cases has sent health officials scurrying to trace those who had been in contact with the contaminants. https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/cv19-asia/cv19-thailand/40-confirmed-covid-19-cases-surface-in-southern-yala-province Although an update on that this morning is that they have now retested those 40 cases and they were found to be negative? I've heard of false negative tests before but this is a first for false positive. India has started to make its own testing kits as the ones they got from China were very unreliable. India isn’t the only country to send back or stop using Chinese-made testing kits. The whole Yala situation needs some serious questions to be asked about the testing kits they’re using. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guderian Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Maybe it's time to resurrect the old plan to link the Indian and Pacific oceans via a canal cut across the Kra Isthmus. It would make an easily-policed and effective border between the Deep South (and all its problems) and the rest of Thailand. I'm sure the Chinese could be relied on for finance via the BRI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Canal 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrTuner Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 They need to 'verify' the Yala 40. Off to the back of the queue ya go, see you in a week or so. "Confirmed" cases need the two reference lab positives. Their story is starting to leak through the cracks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerN Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, DrTuner said: They need to 'verify' the Yala 40. Off to the back of the queue ya go, see you in a week or so. "Confirmed" cases need the two reference lab positives. Their story is starting to leak through the cracks. Is today's count (ignoring the 'no reported deaths' part) higher than yesterday's? I ask because I for one am expecting an imminent 2nd wave. That and I consider this government to be amoral and inveterate liars. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerN Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Guderian said: Maybe it's time to resurrect the old plan to link the Indian and Pacific oceans via a canal cut across the Kra Isthmus. It would make an easily-policed and effective border between the Deep South (and all its problems) and the rest of Thailand. I'm sure the Chinese could be relied on for finance via the BRI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Canal Not sure the government will ever approve this. To do so is to kiss goodbye to all the areas in dispute. It would be Thailand's admission that they could not control the insurgency and it would signal the imminent end of this mendacious government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DirtyHarry55 Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) Quote Meanwhile, he said the 40 suspected new cases in Yala province reported on Sunday, turned out to be negative when retested. He said the tests would done again at a Bangkok lab, and the CCSA will report the outcome later. So all 40 who were previously positive are now negative really???? Come on. I wonder if they are fixing the numbers? Probably just took their temperature again in a colder room. Edited May 4, 2020 by DirtyHarry55 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d2b2 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 This report doesn't pass the sniff test. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, DrTuner said: They need to 'verify' the Yala 40. Off to the back of the queue ya go, see you in a week or so. "Confirmed" cases need the two reference lab positives. Their story is starting to leak through the cracks. The cracks are like a sieve, slowly dripping out unwanted real variables, that then get re-hashed as nothing to see here tests.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said: So all 40 who were previously positive are now negative really???? Come on. I wonder if they are fixing the numbers? Probably just took their temperature again in a colder room. Can you read? They are being tested again in BK. Yes they are fixing the numbers bla bla bla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said: So all 40 who were previously positive are now negative really???? Come on. I wonder if they are fixing the numbers? Probably just took their temperature again in a colder room. I've yet to read a report anywhere else where a covid test turned out to be a false positive, only in Thailand eh. To have 40 of them in one bulk seems highly unlikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrTuner Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 39 minutes ago, DirtyHarry55 said: So all 40 who were previously positive are now negative really???? Come on. They now have a problem in that the test kits, whatever they are, have finally reached the provinces (at least Phuket and Yala, a good thing in itself), but the local labs are leaking the results to the public, instead of MoPH backing them up in the backlog in Bangkok. Hard to keep the propaganda intact. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarrySeaman Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: Strange because they reported 40 new cases last night: A second set of swabs from 40 asymptomatic in-patients at a hospital in Yala, southern Thailand, were sent to a laboratory in neighbouring Songkhla for analysis. Now the health office has confirmed the 40 new Covid-19 cases in Yala. The huge spike in local cases has sent health officials scurrying to trace those who had been in contact with the contaminants. https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/cv19-asia/cv19-thailand/40-confirmed-covid-19-cases-surface-in-southern-yala-province Although an update on that this morning is that they have now retested those 40 cases and they were found to be negative? I've heard of false negative tests before but this is a first for false positive. The more sensitive a test the more likely a false positive. Here is an interesting read about a hypothetical test that is 99% specific for COVID-19. Even though the author has tried to make things simple, understanding the article depends on understanding statistics. It is worth spending the time to think about the article enough to understand it. The bottom line is that how big a chance of a false positive (or false negative) result depends on the percentage of the population tested that is positive and how many people you test. Why even a super-accurate Covid-19 test can fail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HarrySeaman said: The more sensitive a test the more likely a false positive. Here is an interesting read about a hypothetical test that is 99% specific for COVID-19. Even though the author has tried to make things simple, understanding the article depends on understanding statistics. It is worth spending the time to think about the article enough to understand it. The bottom line is that how big a chance of a false positive (or false negative) result depends on the percentage of the population tested that is positive and how many people you test. Why even a super-accurate Covid-19 test can fail Quote Scientists at the Cleveland Clinic found that one popular rapid genetic test told users they didn’t have the virus when they actually did about 15 percent of the time RT-PCR looks for a genetic sequence. For a false positive, the test would somehow need to falsify that reading. I'll look up exactly how the result is interpreted, but AFAIK they read it off a fluorescent film. Would be hard to get false positives, unless the technician is a total somchai. Here's the guidance for diagnostics from WHO: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/protocol-v2-1.pdf?sfvrsn=a9ef618c_2 Here's some info: https://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/how-is-the-covid-19-virus-detected-using-real-time-rt-pcr Seems the genetic sequence is detected by a computer from the film. Edited May 4, 2020 by DrTuner 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ParkerN Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: I've yet to read a report anywhere else where a covid test turned out to be a false positive, only in Thailand eh. To have 40 of them in one bulk seems highly unlikey Most things in Thailand are so incompetent they're a joke, this is just one more - more blatantly untrue than many of the others but unsurprising just the same. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerN Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, DrTuner said: total somchai LOL. Right. First time I've heard this, but true enough... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) Here's a more complete video of the RT-PCR diagnosis process: Hard to see how false positives would occur. Unless the reagents produced by the local Thai company that were advertised about a week ago are defective. Edited May 4, 2020 by DrTuner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offset Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, DrTuner said: They now have a problem in that the test kits, whatever they are, have finally reached the provinces (at least Phuket and Yala, a good thing in itself), but the local labs are leaking the results to the public, instead of MoPH backing them up in the backlog in Bangkok. Hard to keep the propaganda intact. Only the people that are in hospital are called confirmed cases any that not require being in hospital are not counted so maybe the 40 are not hospital cases yet so now they not know how to count them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 37 minutes ago, HarrySeaman said: The more sensitive a test the more likely a false positive. Here is an interesting read about a hypothetical test that is 99% specific for COVID-19. Even though the author has tried to make things simple, understanding the article depends on understanding statistics. It is worth spending the time to think about the article enough to understand it. The bottom line is that how big a chance of a false positive (or false negative) result depends on the percentage of the population tested that is positive and how many people you test. Why even a super-accurate Covid-19 test can fail 40 tests return false positive in one batch, that's the issue and highly unlikely 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted May 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: 40 tests return false positive in one batch, that's the issue and highly unlikely But it is a Thai reality. Boss those tests, they no good, we no like the results, so you can say no new cases today. There I fixed it for you A Nut In the MOPH.... 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taninthai Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) From yesterday in yala..quote This comes after new infections in Yaha district jumped by about 30% after initial tests on 78 people showed 24 of have COVID-19, said Dr. Songkran Maichum, head of Yala’s provincial health office, this evening (Sunday). and they are still waiting on results from 40 tests... Edited May 4, 2020 by taninthai 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) 56 minutes ago, offset said: Only the people that are in hospital are called confirmed cases any that not require being in hospital are not counted so maybe the 40 are not hospital cases yet so now they not know how to count them Here's the actual official definition of "Confirmed" from MoPH itself: https://ddc.moph.go.th/viralpneumonia/eng/file/guidelines/G_en_21022020.pdf Quote 3. Confirmed case is defined as a PUI who has tested positive for genetic materials of SARS-CoV-2 by PCR from two (2) reference laboratories, or by genetic sequencing, or by culture. The reference labs that WHO lists are NIH lab in Nonthaburi and Army lab in Bangkok. https://www.who.int/who-documents-detail/who-reference-laboratories-providing-confirmatory-testing-for-covid-19 EDIT: Huh, they removed the army lab as a separate line in the last update. I think it's included in the cluster though: Quote Thailand Nonthaburi, Bangkok National Institute of Health, Department of Medical Sciences, Ministry of Public Health and Armed Forces Research Institute of Medical Science Edited May 4, 2020 by DrTuner 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 33 minutes ago, taninthai said: Dr. Songkran Maichum, head of Yala’s provincial health office Naughty naughty. Should not disclose results before Big Brother has filtered them through the propaganda machine. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, webfact said: Thailand reports 18 new coronavirus cases, no new deaths This is great news! And as the poster below highlights the celebration of "0 Thais" being tested positive, the red writing highlights how the 18 who were tested as having covid are 'foreigners'. Hey, they might be girls and women aged 13-22 and a 10-year-old boy, but who cares? We should be celebrating 0 Thais! Edited May 4, 2020 by rkidlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerN Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, rkidlad said: This is great news! And as the poster below highlights the celebration of "0 Thais" being tested positive, the red writing highlights how the 18 who were tested as having covid are 'foreigners'. Hey, they might be girls and women aged 13-22 and a 10-year-old boy, but who cares? We should be celebrating 0 Thais! covid.jfif 92.74 kB · 1 download why? Is one nationality inherently worth less than another? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 39 minutes ago, taninthai said: From yesterday in yala..quote This comes after new infections in Yaha district jumped by about 30% after initial tests on 78 people showed 24 of have COVID-19, said Dr. Songkran Maichum, head of Yala’s provincial health office, this evening (Sunday). and they are still waiting on results from 40 tests... CCSA spokesman Taweesilp Visanuyothin said yesterday that reports of new infections needed to be verified as some areas posted an unusually high percentage of positive test results. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, ParkerN said: why? Is one nationality inherently worth less than another? According to the poster - seemingly so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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