Britain outpaces Italy with Europe's highest official coronavirus death toll

By Andy Bruce

 

People and buses are seen on London Bridge at the height of the traditional morning rush hour, following the outbreak of the coronavirus disease (COVID-19), London, Britain, May 5, 2020. REUTERS/Toby Melville

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Britain has overtaken Italy to report the highest official death toll from coronavirus in Europe with more than 32,000 deaths, figures released on Tuesday showed.

 

The high death toll could increase political pressure on Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who waited longer than other European leaders to order a lockdown to curb the spread of the virus in March.

 

Weekly figures from Britain's national statistics office added more than 7,000 deaths in England and Wales, raising the total for the United Kingdom to 32,313.

 

The figure is one of several methods for calculating deaths and difficult to compare with other countries, but it offers the clearest sign yet that Britain could emerge as the worst-hit country in Europe, despite being hit later than other countries.

 

Opposition parties have raised questions about Johnson's initial decision to delay a lockdown at a time when hospitals in Italy were already being overrun.

 

They also say his government was too slow to introduce mass testing and provide enough protective equipment to hospitals.

 

The true figure for deaths from coronavirus may be even higher. The Office of National Statistics said 33,593 more people had died than average up to April 24 in England and Wales, compared to 27,365 cases in which coronavirus was mentioned on the death certificates.

 

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could it be one of the reasons why BJ is hiding ?  what a (geeky/nerdy) government BJ, Cove, Cummings, Rees Mog & Co

Just now, Mavideol said:

could it be one of the reasons why BJ is hiding ?  what a (geeky/nerdy) government BJ, Cove, Cummings, Rees Mog & Co

 

 

Where exactly is Boris hiding ?

Top of the league in Europe, CL and EL champions too.

 

The UK's figures include suspected cases where as Italy does not include suspected cases. It would be helpful if all countries used the same method of recording the deaths.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/05/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-above-32000-to-highest-in-europe

Edited May 5, 20206 yr by tribalfusion001

It is almost like self-centered right wing politicians who couldn't care about their own citizens is somehow connected to how they handle this crisis, who would have thought it?

BoJo's negligence will cause many more to die from the virus before this is done. Still early days of the pandemic in the U.K. 

 

before being too critical and pointing fingers bear in mind these are statistics with no common approach of collection and method of recording deaths. you really cannot deduce much with such inconsistently collated data. for example for the first four/five weeks deaths in care homes were excluded from uk stats.

 

There are three types of lies; lies, damn lies, and statistics

5 hours ago, PremiumLane said:

It is almost like self-centered right wing politicians who couldn't care about their own citizens is somehow connected to how they handle this crisis, who would have thought it?

I see you’ve taken full advantage of the booze freedoms.

Yeah it’s because we are submitting the real numbers, well that’s the latest line the Government are taking, and we need to wait til the end before making any judgements. 
 

That well may be so but what is clear is we were slow to start testing and get the right PPE to the front line. The numbers of deaths in Care homes is still spiralling because they were forgotten until recently. 
 

A week ago Hancock promised that every patient and Care Home worker with or without symptoms could be tested. A week later there are still reports of patients dying and not allowed their family with them as they still haven't been tested. Its heartbreaking to see them tell their stories. 
 

To make matters worse, I work offshore and was tested today no problem. 

 

How <deleted> up is the UK. 

Believe official numbers and you'll believe anything????

God I’m so sorry we over here know how you feel you are in my heart and prayers stay healthy follow safe protocols 

Ah so the excuse is not all countries count the same way.

Odd how Johnson supporters were keen on the idea of comparing countries before the UK hit the top of the list.

The UK's figures only include those who actually were tested for corona and passed away. Given how woeful the UK's testing has been there is a huge number of deaths not being included because the person was never proven to have the virus.

Shameful leadership of a shameful response hidden by a shameful cover-up of the true death toll.   

 

it could do with the fact that they are still allowing international travelers to fly into the UK for farm work. Also I see they continuously assisting illegal's when crossing the channel in flimsy rubber boats and bringing them ashore at Dover and those are just the ones we know about. What about other landing beaches ? None of these issues help to confine further outbreaks of the virus. There is also an article claiming that between Jan-Mar 2020- 18 million people entered the UK via airports, some are UK citizens and many are not.

12 minutes ago, generealty said:

it could do with the fact that they are still allowing international travelers to fly into the UK for farm work. Also I see they continuously assisting illegal's when crossing the channel in flimsy rubber boats and bringing them ashore at Dover and those are just the ones we know about. What about other landing beaches ? None of these issues help to confine further outbreaks of the virus. There is also an article claiming that between Jan-Mar 2020- 18 million people entered the UK via airports, some are UK citizens and many are not.

It’s the immigrants wot did it!

1 hour ago, generealty said:

it could do with the fact that they are still allowing international travelers to fly into the UK for farm work. Also I see they continuously assisting illegal's when crossing the channel in flimsy rubber boats and bringing them ashore at Dover and those are just the ones we know about. What about other landing beaches ? None of these issues help to confine further outbreaks of the virus. There is also an article claiming that between Jan-Mar 2020- 18 million people entered the UK via airports, some are UK citizens and many are not.

They have been allowing international travellers to fly in unchecked. Farm workers are a minority. Immigrants in rubber boats, if any, will be few and may even be tested - who knows. The big negligence is not checking people flying in. Their nationality or  purpose for coming are irrelevant.

"Brexit" is taking a whole new meaning. 

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah so the excuse is not all countries count the same way.

Odd how Johnson supporters were keen on the idea of comparing countries before the UK hit the top of the list.

The UK's figures only include those who actually were tested for corona and passed away. Given how woeful the UK's testing has been there is a huge number of deaths not being included because the person was never proven to have the virus.

Shameful leadership of a shameful response hidden by a shameful cover-up of the true death toll.   

 

BELGIUM I think is a good example of the different counting systems. I'm tired of reading "We are not as bad as Belgium". It turns out that they were counting all the deaths in care homes as due to covid. These care home deaths made up near 50% of their overall figure.

 

It also strikes me that the government is going to save in the region of one billion pounds in the next 3 years in state pensions alone. Add in occupational pensions in the state sector and you could probably triple that. Every cloud has a silver lining (No pun intended) eh? That would be great for the NHS, though it appears that HMGOV is dead set on privatisation by stealth. 

 

 

9 hours ago, twocatsmac said:

I see you’ve taken full advantage of the booze freedoms.

Nah, mate, I don't drink at all, but do tell me how Borris and Trump are doing a bang up job, would love to hear it 

16 hours ago, PremiumLane said:

It is almost like self-centered right wing politicians who couldn't care about their own citizens is somehow connected to how they handle this crisis, who would have thought it?

There's nothing "right wing" about keeping borders open at all costs.

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Ah so the excuse is not all countries count the same way.

Odd how Johnson supporters were keen on the idea of comparing countries before the UK hit the top of the list.

The UK's figures only include those who actually were tested for corona and passed away. Given how woeful the UK's testing has been there is a huge number of deaths not being included because the person was never proven to have the virus.

Shameful leadership of a shameful response hidden by a shameful cover-up of the true death toll.   

 

I think in all deaths where there is a suspicion of the virus, a test is administered post mortem.

 

Many in care homes have a DNR notice on their notes which may lead to the shocking

instances occuring there. Many in these homes are very ill and approaching the end of 

their lives, which is why many are there in the first place.

 

I'm no Tory boy, and have no joy in supporting this government, but when my father was

living his last days in a home, there is no way they would have hooked him up to a 

ventilator to prolong his life, of course it was comforting that me and my mother were

bedside when he passed, I can't imagine how awful it would be to have a loved one

dying alone or without family nearby.

18 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Where exactly is Boris hiding ?

that's the question, if you find out, be so kind to let us know, so far nowhere to be found

4 hours ago, generealty said:

it could do with the fact that they are still allowing international travelers to fly into the UK for farm work. Also I see they continuously assisting illegal's when crossing the channel in flimsy rubber boats and bringing them ashore at Dover and those are just the ones we know about. What about other landing beaches ? None of these issues help to confine further outbreaks of the virus. There is also an article claiming that between Jan-Mar 2020- 18 million people entered the UK via airports, some are UK citizens and many are not.

Dear me what a rant, do you feel better now?

 

And are you suggesting that the UK citizens who entered the UK in the 1st 3 months

of the year were somehow free of this virus?

 

You really want to stop watching farages YouTube shows, that odious little toad is 

revealing his true colours and poisoning your mind.

5 minutes ago, shy coconut said:

I think in all deaths where there is a suspicion of the virus, a test is administered post mortem.

<snip>

You think so? I think not.

18 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Where exactly is Boris hiding ?

Probably behind his lover ????

18 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Top of the league in Europe, CL and EL champions too.

 

The UK's figures include suspected cases where as Italy does not include suspected cases. It would be helpful if all countries used the same method of recording the deaths.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/05/uk-coronavirus-death-toll-rises-above-32000-to-highest-in-europe

That's true but anyway the figures show what kind of rotten health system and egomaniac government we have. 

19 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Where exactly is Boris hiding ?

Changing nappies.

after this is over italy will still be the highest for many  reasons inc italy has a lower population plus other reasons says the boffins

plus italians dont factor in care homes deaths in their figures

Edited May 6, 20206 yr by 3NUMBAS

19 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

The UK's figures include suspected cases where as Italy does not include suspected cases. It would be helpful if all countries used the same method of recording the deaths.

Which means they are cooking the books. Why?

I just found out Bill Gates sponsors the BBC, which is worrying. 

Also, he gives more to the WHO than Australia, UK and Germany COMBINED! 

A friend of mine died in the UK last weekend due to Covid. He was unable to see a doctor for thrombosis(they were all too busy making dancing vdos). I would bet that they put that down as the cause of death.