17 minutes ago, Retarded said:

Your personal vendetta will not solve anything. 

Look at the forest not tree. 

Trump or whoever is not critical matter for American politics. 

It is how the political transition is performed to define America as America.

Carry on personal hatred on and on is not the proper way for mature person to behave.

We have opportunity to exercise our right to pick whoever each wants. 

Whether we like it or not, we have to respect the final result. 

That is American democracy, not everlasting whining, bickering, moaning.

Grow up.    

 

Personal vendetta? No. You should do what I have done.........open your eyes and ears.

Watch the videos where the heads of nations laugh at him.

Watch the video where during a Pence speech to heads of nations paused for applause after mentioning Trump and there was stony silence.

Or, how about the US polls that show he is the least popular president in history (and maybe the most unqualified). Even his supporters wish he would stop Tweeting.

 

I don't "hate" Trump. He has no effect on my life whatsoever. I can certainly understand why people voted for him in 2016. HRC was a terrible candidate and the People were tired of the traditional BS politics. They wanted change. But, now that people have seen what he is truly like, a horrible human being and totally incompetent then I will reserve my dislike to those people that still support him and make excuses for him. My disdain is for the GOP that have totally destroyed their own party and corrupted the two other branches of government, all for the sake of an imbecile that they thought they could control. Watch the video of Lindsay Graham warning what would happen to the GOP if Trump was nominated. He said that the GOP would be destroyed and it would be their own fault. Listen to Kerryanne Conway's opinion of him before he was nominated. The GOP are hookers that have sold their soul.

If a republican ever starts talking about fiscal responsibility, respect for the military and patriotism in general; laugh in their face.

Edited May 12, 20206 yr by KarenBravo

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

China is done. The time to push them hard is right now. On all policy fronts. One more push against a US destroyer over that fake 9 dash line and its time to blow them out of the water. Send that aircraft carrier of theirs to Davy Jones' locker! Time to stop playing with these tyrants!

A bit drastic there WO. Could be the start of WW111. Russia would side with China and Iran also. Would not be able to get any oil out of the middle east. The US would then have to befriend Venezuela or invade them to get their hands on the black stuff. Have to turn to Muskie for advice on electrical military hardware.

 

Might it not be a better idea for the US to do a bit more manufacturing and a bit less militarising. The US has no gold of its own so perhaps they should have a rethink.

 

And this has absolutely nothing to do with Trump. The dark shadow people behind the curtains are pulling the strings.

 

 

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1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Thanks, but not only incorrect, your same arguments would be even more applicable to western countries, USA at the foremost.

 

Nobody unleashed a virus, but I do agree that the China origin will not help China. Although they seem to have a big headstart with recovery on the western countries.

"orange man bad, republicans bad, CCP good" 

 

This sums up this guys posts

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Wouldn't all that also refer to US? Perhaps except for the last bit on losing soft power due to Trump's inane foreign policies. All said, both countries are at different stage of distress and it is really a zero sum game to go after each other in the middle of a pandemic. 

get back to me when china's young kids stop pissing and <deleted>ting in the middle of the road

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Wouldn't all that also refer to US? Perhaps except for the last bit on losing soft power due to Trump's inane foreign policies. All said, both countries are at different stage of distress and it is really a zero sum game to go after each other in the middle of a pandemic. 

No it would not. The time to turn up the heat on China is now. They have been exposed as filthy totalitarians who are a threat to the entire world. Trump needs to turn that knob up a few more notches. 

22 minutes ago, sukhumvitneon said:

"orange man bad, republicans bad, CCP good" 

 

This sums up this guys posts

Again, no. You're wrong on all accounts. Also, this thread is not about me.

Edited May 12, 20206 yr by stevenl

37 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

No it would not. The time to turn up the heat on China is now. They have been exposed as filthy totalitarians who are a threat to the entire world. Trump needs to turn that knob up a few more notches. 

If Trump and yourself included want to be an enemy of China, then China is a threat. If Trump want to cooperate, instead of blaming every of his domestic issues on China, then China is his chance for better prosperity for US and their citizens. To be an enemy, you don't want China to be strong and if you want China to be part of your prosperity, you work together and wish them stability, competent and successful. Former President Jimmy Carter was a wise man. 

6 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

The origin of the Spanish flu is contested, and very likely started in China. 

 

 

You want cooperation yet China has been the least cooperative and least transparent throughout this whole ordeal. 

The origin of the Spanish Flu was in the USA. This is well documented and studied by experts. In fact, with a high degree of probability, they identified the source as a turkey farm in Pennsylvania. So please, stop rewriting history.

 

Even more laughable is the idea that China unleashed the virus as an act of war. Against their own people? Really? This has been an existential threat to the Communist Party of China - no way they would do it.

1 hour ago, sukhumvitneon said:

get back to me when china's young kids stop pissing and <deleted>ting in the middle of the road

Is this troubling so much to refrain from posting sensible and intelligent discourse. 

1 hour ago, sukhumvitneon said:

get back to me when china's young kids stop pissing and <deleted>ting in the middle of the road

Prefer the pissing and XXXXXing to the mass shootings every day.

1 hour ago, WalkingOrders said:

No it would not. The time to turn up the heat on China is now. They have been exposed as filthy totalitarians who are a threat to the entire world. Trump needs to turn that knob up a few more notches. 

You've just found out that China is totalitarian? Can you point out China on a map? Most Americans can't, you know?

Your word "filthy" kind of gives your game away.

If China viewed the USA as an enemy, there is a much easier way to bring the USA to it's knees. It could sell all it's US debt that it holds in the form of T-bills.

10 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

If China viewed the USA as an enemy, there is a much easier way to bring the USA to it's knees. It could sell all it's US debt that it holds in the form of T-bills.

There are more sensible heads in China than the Trump's administration. There is no winner in a trade, currency or selling US debts on both sides. This tension is all Trump and his China hawks created to impress their domestic constituent. When he is gone in November, more reasonable and competent people will repair the damage caused by 4 years of economic mismanagement. 

4 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Bloomberg and Reuters reported that they will have a decline in exports - China reported an INCLINE in exports. 

 

How am I denying what they report? China is vested in nefarious reporting to keep their currency and economy stable. 

 

Any more water you feel like carrying? 

look further into the article.  WHY did exports rise?  and will that continue?

 

 

The increase was driven in part by rising exports of medical equipment, traditional Chinese medicine and textiles including masks. China exported millions of tonnes of medical products worth 71.2 billion yuan ($10 billion) in the March-April period, according to the customs agency. The daily export value of medical supplies jumped by more than three times last month.

 

Some economists also attributed the rise in exports to factory closures elsewhere, leading to a surge in import demand, just as China’s manufacturers reopened after extended shutdowns due to the virus outbreak.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-economy-trade/chinas-april-exports-rebound-but-outlook-remains-grim-idUSKBN22J0A6

Insanity prevails.

of course, it's only a deal, right?

it's not a ratified treaty.

either side can tear it up as "worst deal ever."

 

the next president, if not trump, can ignore it, rescind it, or withdraw.

trump, if re-elected, and no longer needs to play to his base, can cancel it.

So Wuhan virus has sickened millions and killed thousands, and brought America’s economy to a screeching halt—and it’s Trumps fault?

Let the CCP pay the world reparations. Of course CCP remains in denial of Wuhan virus origin.  Better to avoid “Made in China at every opportunity.

51 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

of course, it's only a deal, right?

it's not a ratified treaty.

either side can tear it up as "worst deal ever."

 

the next president, if not trump, can ignore it, rescind it, or withdraw.

trump, if re-elected, and no longer needs to play to his base, can cancel it.

You think Trump will be satisfied with only two terms? If he wins, he will "suggest" changing the constitution to allow him another term.

11 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

So Wuhan virus has sickened millions and killed thousands, and brought America’s economy to a screeching halt—and it’s Trumps fault?

Let the CCP pay the world reparations. Of course CCP remains in denial of Wuhan virus origin.  Better to avoid “Made in China at every opportunity.

No, not his fault, but, the amount of US deaths would have been far less if he had taken it seriously back in February instead of playing golf.

If ever there was such a thing as a silent President (ie: let his henchmen do the talking ) this goose is he.

The US &  Australia regardless of the "do not buy Chinese goods" brigade have absolutely no option in the grand scheme of things as does the "no sell to China " Australian Brigade.

Australians have had a pretty good standard of living due to massive sales to China.

"IF" trade  stopped both ways Australia would face a 40% cost of livivg increase in 18 months, & many would be looking for a job.

Be very careful before biting the hand that feeds you regardless of any emotional bias.

 

24 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

No, not his fault, but, the amount of US deaths would have been far less if he had taken it seriously back in February instead of playing golf.

Fair enough.  Back in February though, Nancy Pelosi downplayed Wuhan virus and invited everyone to SF Chinatown to celebrate.  And in NYC the mayor also invited New Yorkers to ride the subway, and a mass gathering.  And Congress? In February their focus: the impeachment process.  Blame can be shared on both sides.

Who is telling the lies.. Trump clearly stated on 24/1/20 that China was open and keeping the US informed on the Corona Virus and Xi was doing a great job. Suddenly its to hot in the kitchen for Trump so he blamed Obama. Democrats, media and now China. He has not got the guts to accept responsibility and say he completely stuffed it up by not listening to his health and security advisors, other countries or the democrats and abolished the Obama pandemic task force. So China can wear the blame, it also gives him an out on the stuffed up China tariffs which American consumers pay.

13 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Fair enough.  Back in February though, Nancy Pelosi downplayed Wuhan virus and invited everyone to SF Chinatown to celebrate.  And in NYC the mayor also invited New Yorkers to ride the subway, and a mass gathering.  And Congress? In February their focus: the impeachment process.  Blame can be shared on both sides.

Nancy Pelosi did no such thing.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article242171026.html

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trumps-false-claims-about-pelosi-and-chinatown/

 

Trump ignored his own advisors, intelligence agencies and health experts back in January.

Blame cannot be shared equally by both sides. Only one side had the power to do anything.

I advise you to fact check anything that Trump says.

9 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

Nancy Pelosi did no such thing.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article242171026.html

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/trumps-false-claims-about-pelosi-and-chinatown/

 

Trump ignored his own advisors, intelligence agencies and health experts back in January.

Blame cannot be shared equally by both sides. Only one side had the power to do anything.

I advise you to fact check anything that Trump says.

You also were not quite accurate in your rebuttal.

From your factchecker -

Pelosi urged people to shop and eat there at a time when tourism was suffering because of the novel coronavirus

9 minutes ago, DoctorG said:

You also were not quite accurate in your rebuttal.

From your factchecker -

Pelosi urged people to shop and eat there at a time when tourism was suffering because of the novel coronavirus

Lock-down had not started anywhere in the States at that time, yet, she still encouraged need for prevention where as Trump was saying it "was under control". Don't forget, this is the man that denied docking to a ship carrying infected US citizens just so that it wouldn't mess the numbers up.

Yes, there is blame on both sides with hind-sight, but, you can't compare Pelosi's stand point to Trump's. Pelosi knew that this virus was dangerous and said so. Trump ignored it and tried to wish it away.

51 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

Fair enough.  Back in February though, Nancy Pelosi downplayed Wuhan virus and invited everyone to SF Chinatown to celebrate.  And in NYC the mayor also invited New Yorkers to ride the subway, and a mass gathering.  And Congress? In February their focus: the impeachment process.  Blame can be shared on both sides.

And trump was playing golf and saying it was all a hoax and under control. Deven Nunes also was saying to go to restaurants.

 

So they were all just following the president that it was under control. Unless of course he lied.

This begs the question: do the Trump-haters on this thread really favor China over America?

1 minute ago, Isaan sailor said:

This begs the question: do the Trump-haters on this thread really favor China over America?

Why even ask that question? Nothing has been said or implied that would point to a yes.

Do the Trump lovers on this thread really favour Trump over the US?

10 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

The origin of the Spanish flu is contested, and very likely started in China. 

 

 

You want cooperation yet China has been the least cooperative and least transparent throughout this whole ordeal. 

While it's unlikely that the “Spanish Flu” originated in Spain, scientists are still unsure of its source. France, China and Britain have all been suggested as the potential birthplace of the virus, as has the United States, where the first known case was reported at a military base in Kansas on March 11, 1918