Great - keep the beer and girlie bars shut, along with the massage parlours!!! Any excuse.

It shouldn't be beyond the wit of any government to provide a place of shelter better than a shop doorway, and arrange for a bowl of noodles.

I know over a dozen people who live in Pattaya who are great, and I see homeless

people all over the world. I think there may be more nowadays, because of the virus,

but seen lots in Bangkok last year. Only seen a few in Hua Hin, but mostly hard working decent

people working all over that city. Same for Jomtien, I have seen plenty of decent

hard working people as well.  I just hope that Thailand recovers and eventually

some tourism returns. It would be nice if they would scrap the visas,but the

government  is too greedy.

Geezer

15 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Maybe those spreading unjustified hysteria should earn themselves some karma points by trying to help some of these people rather than vilifying them. I have had my hand in my pocket daily for some weeks now helping local handouts. I see desperate and hungry people not villains and plague spreaders.

Good on you????

But perhaps the Thai government should be helping their citizens, and not relying on foreigners. 

16 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

Thai media 77kaoded toured Pattaya last night and found many homeless people on the streets.

Aren't they on pilgrimage? They seem to be very faithful to Buddhist doctrine. 

You should be stripped of any material possession and live like a beggar without stepping on ants.  

Sold your house in your home country before coming to Thailand - take note

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Sold your house in your home country before coming to Thailand - take note

Well thanks for reminding me of that fact... mind you, it could have been filled with squatters or those delinquent on rent payment had I not. No chance to move those out in these times. 

19 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Maybe those spreading unjustified hysteria should earn themselves some karma points by trying to help some of these people rather than vilifying them. I have had my hand in my pocket daily for some weeks now helping local handouts. I see desperate and hungry people not villains and plague spreaders.

Well said DSD

Thailands pledge of "we leave no-one behind" seems to be patently flawed.

No safety net for the un-registered therefore you don't exist minority!

18 hours ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

Perhaps the cold air from the 27/7 air conditioning leaks under the door....

Point well taken, but he is a bit far from the crack, he needs to get the AC train to bkk, 14 hrs and so cold can hang meat in there...still waiting for my balls to drop

I suggest  that Thaivisa owner Alex and the TV team should set up some kind of homeless shelters for the homeless people in Pattaya, some sort of CSR thing, after all I am sure TV should have lots of money now with all the irritating pop up ads.

17 hours ago, Taco said:

I am in Pattaya now and I don't see much if any homeless people anywhere and I have a scooter and cruise around often.  I have been here for 9 days and have had one person ask me for change.   If there any numbers of homeless about they are hiding out from the police that patrol after curfew but it doesn't seem to be an issue.....yet.

 

 

The folks in the pics are crisis actors to push the agenda! Also that dude in the mozzie tent, if you look close his leg is sticking out, a perfect chance for those mozzies and covid to sneak in!, thus ruining the safety of it.

this phenomenon happans in many countries.

the homeless people, who usually hide somewhere from fear of police

and "SECURITYYYY" , are feeling free now to walk around, until the police / security

will push them back to their hidings.

I think homeless people in Thailand are not on the agenda it goes on more than they want to admit, 

When you look at these tin shacks that builders and workers use how many poor and destitute people live there? some may think they are better living on the streets more chance of getting some food that stuck in them shanty towns

 

There are no homeless here in the village but I still see a huge government effort to feed the locals in my district in Sangkhla Buri. Many village chiefs, including my Poo Yai neighbour, have set up a kitchen staffed with volunteers and tannoy that all can come take food if needed after 10 AM.

 

Surprisingly the first few days he had to make repeated requests to come and take the food to avoid waste. He eventually took to his motorcycle and drove around giving it away.

 

It has improved now as he has reduced the amount and regular people turn up every day. The offer is on till the end of this month. Many that go, including my handicaped brother in law, who everyone knows is part of my family support group, can easily feed themselves but the offer is open to everyone, including me apparently, but I would never show up for that unless I was in dire straights myself.

 

The lack of take-up surprised me as my village has at least 70% migrant workers who must be struggling, although many have returned home weeks ago.

 

I have asked the wife many tiimes how we can help, but her answer is always there is no one in real need here. We do help out by donating ingredients to the volunteers doing the daily cooking.

Edited May 17, 20206 yr by Saltire

Closing beach sand for access ! The nonsense if Thailand. But this is a country where officialdom is  answerable to nobody other than some one in the city that bought their way to the position, certainly not accountable by any democratic means 

22 hours ago, spiekerjozef said:

Isn't it the governments job to feed their own citizens...

 

I would say so.....but they prefer to spend billions on a sub which they do not really need....and yankie tanks.....

This same situation also came up last month. Almost exactly a month ago in fact (16 April).
https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1159966-pattaya-ordered-to-find-shelter-for-homeless/#comments

Then, on 23 April, was a story about (3) homeless being tested for the virus. One of whom was on the streets because he couldn't pay for his apartment anymore.

Then on 25 April, an article about how Pattaya was going to open a new homeless shelter.

Pattaya runs on tourism. Without it a very large portion of it's inhabitants don't have a job, regardless of whether they are a DJ or a janitor. The longer the shut down lasts, the more people that will end up out on the streets because they can't afford to pay their rent.

And as it was just announced that the ban on arriving (passenger) flights is extended until the end of June, there won't be much "tourism" to be had for the next 6 weeks at least. Expect a bunch more people to be homeless come the end of May. And again at the end of June.

And again every month until people can start working again.

On 5/16/2020 at 11:33 AM, rooster59 said:

Starving, dirty and desperate people were in business doorways, outside convenience stores and on beach road. 

This was a deplorable situation, they said, and threatened a rise in crime and spread of the coronavirus after the resort appeared to have things under control. 

More likely a chance of more starving, desperate and probably dirty people joining them than spreading the virus.

23 hours ago, Taco said:

I am in Pattaya now and I don't see much if any homeless people anywhere and I have a scooter and cruise around often.  I have been here for 9 days and have had one person ask me for change.   If there any numbers of homeless about they are hiding out from the police that patrol after curfew but it doesn't seem to be an issue.....yet.

 

 

 

I see them all of the time, on steps and shop fronts. But many head to Soi Bua Khao, as that is where the commerce takes place. 

It's looks as if some of them hope to pick up custom on Bua Khao. Most unsavoury.

If I were them I would have returned to the farm weeks ago. Or even to an upcountry forest. The hill tribes are hardly affected by any of this. They continue farming/foraging as usual. Lucky people and smart too.

18 minutes ago, Eindhoven said:

 

I see them all of the time, on steps and shop fronts. But many head to Soi Bua Khao, as that is where the commerce takes place. 

It's looks as if some of them hope to pick up custom on Bua Khao. Most unsavoury.

I wasn't 2 minutes out of the house and there was one under the railway bridge by the road. So I am with you, and with the beach closed I would expect, were I permitted to, to see many at night-time.  

1 hour ago, drbeach said:

If I were them I would have returned to the farm weeks ago. Or even to an upcountry forest. The hill tribes are hardly affected by any of this. They continue farming/foraging as usual. Lucky people and smart too.

 

How would they have done that?

Apart from that, do you think that they all have farms?

2 hours ago, drbeach said:

If I were them I would have returned to the farm weeks ago. Or even to an upcountry forest. The hill tribes are hardly affected by any of this. They continue farming/foraging as usual. Lucky people and smart too.

Return to what  farm where? Why assume that the entire low income workers in Pattaya are not originally from the general area? Life long multi generational urban dwellers decamping to a forest? IMO people such as the person with his  mozzie tent and hand cart tool of trade is safer where he is if his need is genuine. "Available for Work" without the signage?

 

I am constantly dismayed by the convoluted and contradictory attitude displayed in some common opinions that the global reaction to the current situation has elicited.

To the point that even expressions of humanitarian concerns are tainted by an underlying selfish  stance.

The variations are seemingly endless but I will attempt to illustrate.

" Oh yes, tragic situation. But if they had got a better education blah blah etc they would not be  in this situation. I came from a poor family and look at me ! " Ok, well and good for you if you  come from a country that provides a good educational  system free,or heavily subsidized, or has realistic student loans.

Thailand does not effectively offer that in real terms. Not your problem. But  it enables critics to assume  high horse positions of  opinion. Yet  how  many of these  same critics skulk through an existence in Thailand to eke out petty pensions or savings while pretending a superiority not identifiable "back home"?

Again IMO even worse  are those  that come to TVF to offer negative  opinion  from outside Thailand as if in some obsessive need  to  justify  their own failures on a past attempt  at life  in Thailand. Are such people who have the time and need  to  revisit failure able to say they have  success and happiness where they are now? Talk to   your  hands !

There  is no country , to my knowledge, that does not have, has not had, will not continue to have social, economic, political issues regardless  of the  basis of whatever "systems" are in place.

In the attempt  to create  global socialist financial dependency via the institution of "corporate" control the grand  mistake of that has been in the ignorant ignorance of the natural process of  nature.

As far as  we  know ( despite assertations  of  religious or alien intervention) humanity has evolved into an animal so  forkin arrogant that it objects and denies a massive failure of nurturing and protecting it's own species. Discrimination based  on almost anything to  defend........wealth=power=?

The world now stands on a wobbly  rock of financial capacity to demonstrate validity in the face of an interference called  Covid -19.

Are bets on or off  as to  outcome? The poor already  know the meaning  of  survival.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 5/16/2020 at 12:53 AM, spiekerjozef said:

Isn't it the governments job to feed their own citizens...

 

I dont mean to make light of the plight of the Pattaya homeless but it would seem to me with all of the food lines everyday that it might be easier than ever for somebody with no money to get food? I want to be clear that I am totally guessing, speculating and basically not knowledgeable of how many food lines there are and how the food is distributed. If I am off base and somebody that is familiar of these details would share their knowledge I would appreciate it. I have made my contributions to the people of Pattaya on a more "acute" level shall we say...but I would like to know more about the charitable food distributions and most specifically if people are being turned away hungry on a mass level from the food lines.

20 minutes ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

but I would like to know more about the charitable food distributions and most specifically if people are being turned away hungry on a mass level from the food lines.

Some won't know there are food donations which require queuing.  

I could be wrong about this but I think Thais are very generous when it comes to food.  I don't think anyone has to starve in Pattaya.  But it must get old living outdoors on the street so it still sucks.

Silly question perhaps, but if they are worried the homeless people will catch COVID-19, why don't they just test them ?  

21 hours ago, JeffyInBkk said:

I suggest  that Thaivisa owner Alex and the TV team should set up some kind of homeless shelters for the homeless people in Pattaya, some sort of CSR thing, after all I am sure TV should have lots of money now with all the irritating pop up ads.

100% agree about the ads - I have made it a policy NOT to buy anything in those ads....so irritating.  Enough ads at the sides anyway.

On 5/16/2020 at 2:58 PM, PETERTHEEATER said:

Perhaps the cold air from the 27/7 air conditioning leaks under the door....

You get a nice cool waft of air frequently as the doors open and close, although the bing-bong is disturbing. Hard part is moving the soi dogs away.