info was muzzled no doubt. The west still dropped the ball on reacting though and it cost them..

2 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

Would you say the same thing

if Nature had chosen to make this virus appear in your country?...

If the bat had been in America, the virus would not have accidentally escaped a lab.

 

The Chinese are a little green at bio-lab safety and were warned more than once. They let SARS leak from a Beijing lab more than once, three times I think, eventually sickening many and killing one.  They are not the only ones that have had problems, but that is precisely why they can't be allowed to cover up.

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Imagine if liberals were honest enough to note that there were still personnel in China for that purpose. Imagine if liberals could debate any political topic without somehow whining about and/or dragging Trump into it.

 “If someone had been there, public health officials and governments across the world could have moved much faster.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-axed-cdc-expert-job-in-china-months-before-virus-outbreak-idUSKBN21910S

This article would lead you to believe it was void of eyes. Please follow up with a source,to debunk this nonsense

2 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Imagine if liberals were honest enough to note that there were still personnel in China for that purpose. Imagine if liberals could debate any political topic without somehow whining about and/or dragging Trump into it.

That reuters article claiming if someone was there as if that would of made a difference. Look what happen when the POTUS restricted china travel ,the libs took a hissy fit! fauci  was proclaiming caution while saying the USA shouldn't feel threaten at the time! On march 11 it was a pandemic

fauci was advising the Potus ,he was the eyes and ears for the USA 

Edited May 25, 20206 yr by riclag

2 hours ago, Pattaya46 said:

Would you say the same thing

if Nature had chosen to make this virus appear in your country?...

So you believe CCP’s Wuhan wet market excuse?  Really?  Care to explain why, if they didn’t even sell bats there? 

Even CCP now backing off the wet market story.  Didn’t You get the memo?

2 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

info was muzzled no doubt. The west still dropped the ball on reacting though and it cost them..

 fauci,This is unprecedented. I’ve been doing this a long time, and I’ve never seen anything like this.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/03/anthony-fauci-covid-19-trump-and-staying-healthy/608554/

180 plus countries didn't drop the ball ,it was unprecedented

6 hours ago, tlandtday said:

Please tell us more about your theories?

not a theory, just facts. US had a person in china to know about these things. China lied to WHO. Trump believed china.

 

WHO corrected themselves when they found out more info and alerted the world.

 

Trump refused to accept china had lied and thanked Xi for being transparent. Trump continued to deny it and referred to it as a hoax even after being told it wasnt.

 

So dont go blaming china. The govt knew about it and wouldnt listen. The buck stops with trump.

Edited May 25, 20206 yr by Sujo

3 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

If you think China'a Wuhan virus is a good thing for the world--buy Made in China.

If you don't--seek out other sources.

Thanks but i will not alter where i buy things because compulsive liar dropped the ball.

52 minutes ago, riclag said:

That reuters article claiming if someone was there as if that would of made a difference. Look what happen when the POTUS restricted china travel ,the libs took a hissy fit! fauci  was proclaiming caution while saying the USA shouldn't feel threaten at the time! On march 11 it was a pandemic

fauci was advising the Potus ,he was the eyes and ears for the USA 

Probably because the virus came in from europe, not china.

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

not a theoey, just facts. US had a person in china to know about these things. China lied to WHO. Trump believed china.

 

WHO corrected themselves when they found out more info and alerted the world.

 

Trump refused to accept china had lied and thanked Xi for being transparent. Trump continued to deny it and referred to it as a hoax even after being told it wasnt.

 

So dont go blaming china. The govt knew about it and wouldnt listen. The buck stops with trump.

Lol. facts.  Nonsense.

 

IF China lied to the WHO, then obviously they would lie to one little American sitting around China.

 

12 hours ago, Thailand said:

Just another Trump mouthpiece spouting the leaders  election line, nothing to see here.

 In this case, I think both elements are true:

 

--The Chinese did engage in a cover-up / withhold information, and, the WHO either because of that or on its own issued shameful/incorrect advice (re masks, international travel, methods of transmission, etc.) in the early stages of the pandemic.

 

--The latest outburst by the U.S. is just another Trump mouthpiece spouting the leader's election line, as he desperately tries to avoid and deflect any personal/institutional U.S. responsibility for the U.S.'s own vast and storied CV failings that have led to 100,000+- dead American thus far.

 

China, the WHO and the Trump Administration all deserve to be pilloried over their mishandling of the CV pandemic.

 

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Look what happen when the POTUS restricted china travel ,the libs took a hissy fit!

 

Just because you keep repeating the same patently, documentedly false right-wing lie isn't going to make it come true.

 

The Democrats objections at the time were over a Trump immigration policy announced back then affecting various other countries that didn't relate to China travel or CV policy at all.

 

 

Edited May 25, 20206 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Imagine if liberals were honest enough to note that there were still personnel in China for that purpose. Imagine if liberals could debate any political topic without somehow whining about and/or dragging Trump into it.

 

Perhaps if Trump had left the U.S. CV response to health and medical professionals like the CDC, instead of turning it into his own personally managed political sh** show of lies, deflections, bad medical advice, etc etc, he wouldn't end up getting personally blamed for all the countless mistakes and failures that have occurred under his watch.

 

43 minutes ago, rabas said:

Lol. facts.  Nonsense.

 

IF China lied to the WHO, then obviously they would lie to one little American sitting 

China confirmed H2H transmission on January 20 and information started to be widely diffused after that.

After January, no information was hidden and additional information was also given by other countries. Trump had no excuse to downplay the epidemic risk in February and March.

36 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Just because you keep repeating the same patently, documentedly false right-wing lie isn't going to make it come true.

 

The Democrats objections at the time were over a Trump immigration policy announced back then affecting various other countries that didn't relate to China travel or CV policy at all.

 

 

Notice the last word in the paragraph,below in quotes !  The left was already spinning the travel restriction,giving it imop a racist slant! Sad, what the left and their propaganda machine  has done to my country ,by trying to make the crisis all about spin!

"The Trump administration’s quarantine and travel ban in response to the Wuhan coronavirus could undercut international efforts to fight the outbreak by antagonizing Chinese leaders, as well as stigmatizing people of Asian descent, according to a growing chorus of public health experts and lawmakers".

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750

Edited May 25, 20206 yr by riclag

Was watching an interview with the fool who is currently heading up the Dept. of Homeland Security. He was going on and on about how careful the US is going to have to be regarding letting international tourists into the country. Such astonishing hubris. Most Americans have little perspective on the outside world.

 

YOU are the world epicenter! You are the danger. You should have taken precautions in January! Sure, the virus originated somewhere. But why do some nations like South Korea, Thailand and Vietnam have such fabulously low mortality rates? And why is yours so high? 6.5%! 

 

America. #1 in the world. For Covid!

 

Blame, blame, blame. Never take responsibility. That is who you are Don. Your nation has failed. Miserably. You are the pity of the planet and the American people will be radioactive around the world for a long time to come. Witnessing the decline of the American empire is not a pretty thing to see!

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Was watching an interview with the fool who is currently heading up the Dept. of Homeland Security. He was going on and on about how careful the US is going to have to be regarding letting international tourists into the country. Such astonishing hubris. Most Americans have little perspective on the outside world.

 

YOU are the world epicenter! You are the danger. You should have taken precautions in January! Sure, the virus originated somewhere. But why do some nations like South Korea, Thailand and Vietnam have such fabulously low mortality rates? And why is yours so high? 6.5%! 

 

America. #1 in the world. For Covid!

 

Blame, blame, blame. Never take responsibility. That is who you are Don. Your nation has failed. Miserably. You are the pity of the planet and the American people will be radioactive around the world for a long time to come. Witnessing the decline of the American empire is not a pretty thing to see!

America isn't a empire! America did take precautions in january, does the name fauci ring a bell 

Edited May 25, 20206 yr by riclag

13 minutes ago, riclag said:

Notice the last word in the paragraph,below in quotes !  The left was already spinning the travel restriction,giving it imop a racist slant! Sad, what the left and their propaganda machine  has done to my country ,by trying to make the crisis all about spin!

"The Trump administration’s quarantine and travel ban in response to the Wuhan coronavirus could undercut international efforts to fight the outbreak by antagonizing Chinese leaders, as well as stigmatizing people of Asian descent, according to a growing chorus of public health experts and lawmakers".

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750

 

 

Your linked article quotes one Democratic congressperson as supporting the China travel ban, and another as opposing it... Hardly a chorus.

 

Most of the past posts by folks of your ilk have falsely attributed critical remarks made by various Democratic congressional leaders regarding a Trump immigration restriction announced at that time for other countries, falsely portraying them as being in response to the Chinese nationals travel ban announcement.

 

Edited May 25, 20206 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Your linked article quotes one Democratic congressperson as supporting the China travel ban, and another as opposing it... Hardly a chorus.

 

Most of the past posts by folks of your ilk have falsely attributed critical remarks made by various Democratic congressional leaders regarding a Trump immigration restriction announced at that time for other countries, falsely portraying them as being in response to the Chinese nationals travel ban announcement.

 

The topic on hand is china and corona virus. The article in politico was referencing that! No mention of  immigration! The article also had lawmakers meaning more then one! Nice try! Have a nice day, buddy!

Edited May 25, 20206 yr by riclag

Some pertinent news from more than a month back on the Republicans' blame China strategy. It's long been planned for the Republicans to hang their hats on the attack China tactic.
 

Quote

 

Late Friday, Politico obtained an internal GOP memo circulated by the National Republican Senatorial Committee summarizing the party’s message on the coronavirus. Its main theme will come as little surprise to anybody who has heard a Republican sound bite: It’s all China’s fault. Its most interesting passage is its explanation of what the theme omits: a positive defense of President Trump’s response to the pandemic. “Don’t defend Trump, other than the China Travel Ban — attack China,” the memo urges.

 

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/private-republican-coronavirus-memo-dont-defend-trump-china.html

 

The article goes on to note that Republicans are already conceding they won’t be able to argue that Trump kept the U.S. safe or effectively managed the CV crisis. And thus, the China tactic is designed to "distract from Trump’s catastrophic managerial failure."

 

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Some pertinent news from more than a month back on the Republicans' blame China strategy. It's long been planned for the Republicans to hang their hats on the attack China tactic.
 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/private-republican-coronavirus-memo-dont-defend-trump-china.html

 

The article goes on to note that Republicans are already conceding they won’t be able to argue that Trump kept the U.S. safe or effectively managed the CV crisis. And thus, the China tactic is designed to "distract from Trump’s catastrophic managerial failure."

Understanding the facts behind the pandemic and China's actions to date, the Republican approach, if that's really what it was, seems a most reasonable one.  I didn't see a reference to a memo so the article may just be political.  Not a good way to get at truth these days.

 

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The Democrats objections at the time were over a Trump immigration policy announced back then affecting various other countries that didn't relate to China travel or CV policy at all.

 

 

Really? So the day after Trump instituted flight restrictions, Joe Biden was complaining about the travel ban when he whined about xenophobia and fear? And when Nancy Pelosi marched through Chinatown to encourage everyone to come and not fall victim to racism, that had nothing to do with Trump's travel ban???

 

Nonsense.

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Was watching an interview with the fool who is currently heading up the Dept. of Homeland Security. He was going on and on about how careful the US is going to have to be regarding letting international tourists into the country. Such astonishing hubris. Most Americans have little perspective on the outside world.

 

YOU are the world epicenter! You are the danger. You should have taken precautions in January! Sure, the virus originated somewhere. But why do some nations like South Korea, Thailand and Vietnam have such fabulously low mortality rates? And why is yours so high? 6.5%! 

 

America. #1 in the world. For Covid!

 

Blame, blame, blame. Never take responsibility. That is who you are Don. Your nation has failed. Miserably. You are the pity of the planet and the American people will be radioactive around the world for a long time to come. Witnessing the decline of the American empire is not a pretty thing to see!

You don't get it. The US is the #3 most international arrivals country on the planet. Of course we have to be careful who we let in.

 

America #1 for COVID? Well, that's assuming you believe the numbers the Chinese communists report.

 

As for blame blame blame. Well yeah, the Chinese virus did in fact come from China. That's PRECISELY why leftists hate that Trump called it that.

 

As for the American people being radioactive around the world- pure nonsense. Delusional. No basis in reality. Your intense hatred of America and of Trump is not shared by as many people as you think.

2 hours ago, rabas said:

Lol. facts.  Nonsense.

 

IF China lied to the WHO, then obviously they would lie to one little American sitting around China.

 

But trump believed them.

6 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

You don't get it. The US is the #3 most international arrivals country on the planet. Of course we have to be careful who we let in.

 

America #1 for COVID? Well, that's assuming you believe the numbers the Chinese communists report.

 

As for blame blame blame. Well yeah, the Chinese virus did in fact come from China. That's PRECISELY why leftists hate that Trump called it that.

 

As for the American people being radioactive around the world- pure nonsense. Delusional. No basis in reality. Your intense hatred of America and of Trump is not shared by as many people as you think.

Or maybe it is.

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Notice the last word in the paragraph,below in quotes !  The left was already spinning the travel restriction,giving it imop a racist slant! Sad, what the left and their propaganda machine  has done to my country ,by trying to make the crisis all about spin!

"The Trump administration’s quarantine and travel ban in response to the Wuhan coronavirus could undercut international efforts to fight the outbreak by antagonizing Chinese leaders, as well as stigmatizing people of Asian descent, according to a growing chorus of public health experts and lawmakers".

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/04/coronavirus-quaratine-travel-110750

So all you have is one guys raising a few objections, which is  not unusual during a debate. Nothing like the wild opposition claimed by Trump and Trumpers.

30 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

 

Really? So the day after Trump instituted flight restrictions, Joe Biden was complaining about the travel ban when he whined about xenophobia and fear? And when Nancy Pelosi marched through Chinatown to encourage everyone to come and not fall victim to racism, that had nothing to do with Trump's travel ban???

 

Nonsense.

Really?

 

Those coming in from china were not tested or quarantined. The virus came in from europe. 

 

As for nancy, she was following trumps advice, it was all under control so why shouldnt she say that. Or was he lying?

35 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

 

Really? So the day after Trump instituted flight restrictions, Joe Biden was complaining about the travel ban when he whined about xenophobia and fear? And when Nancy Pelosi marched through Chinatown to encourage everyone to come and not fall victim to racism, that had nothing to do with Trump's travel ban???

 

Nonsense.

Nonsense. The same day Biden made his speech, Pelosi made a statement which left no doubt about which ban she was talking. It's quite obvious that Biden and Pelosi had the same agenda.

Quote:

"The Trump Administration’s expansion of its outrageous, un-American travel ban threatens our security, our values and the rule of law.  The sweeping rule, barring more than 350 million individuals from predominantly African nations from traveling to the United States, is discrimination disguised as policy."

https://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/13120-2

 

About your other claim, you surely know that Chinatown is mainly populated by Asian Amercan citizen, not by Chinese citizen. This claim is a nonsense, too.

Yeah sure, america and its genius leader NEVER cover anything up, right?!? Bunch of world class hypocrites! Always blaming others for their own stupidities, and getting terrible upset if someone tells the truth (which always seem to be different from their lies...)

 

**** 'em ????

38 minutes ago, JulesMad said:

Yeah sure, america and its genius leader NEVER cover anything up, right?!? Bunch of world class hypocrites! Always blaming others for their own stupidities, and getting terrible upset if someone tells the truth (which always seem to be different from their lies...)

 

**** 'em ????

OK, you hate America. We get it. But the Chinese virus did come from China and China covered stuff up. Spouting irrational hatred won't change that.