1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Pretty certain this has nothing to do with safety and likely an enforcement of Big Pharma preferences. Little money to be made on an existing drug that is inexpensive. People have been taking this drug for years to prevent malaria. It is infinitely safer than it's predecessor Chloroquine.  Something does not pass the wiff test here. The WHO, CDC and FDA are spectacularly corrupt agencies. I do not buy any of this. 

We know. You have made clear to us all before your conspiracy theory beliefs of big pharma.

I think there should be the ultimate test: Trump, who seems to love this drug, should take 10 times the usual amount for a couple of days. Maybe it helps. Who knows? Did anybody test that yet? I love to hear the results of that test.

1 hour ago, Phil McCaverty said:

And everyone else laughs at someone who insists on referring to himself in the third person singular. First sign of schizophrenia. 555

 

 

Many backpackers enjoy living off others esp less fortunate. I call them mouches. Most know little except being street smart and getting by. They think its smart. These are not exactly great credentials. 

HCQ has been used as a prophylactic for Malaria for many decades, and a heart arrhythmia was never mentioned as a contra-indication, at least not when I checked a couple of months ago when I first heard about it as a possible "cure" (there were plenty of other quite serious side effects, that have already been mentioned previously on this thread).  It has also been used successfully for Lupus disease, and I saw a very recent report that suggested almost every Lupus sufferer who were taking HCQ did not succumb to Covid (but obviously unclear whether they ere actually exposed to possible CV infection).

 

However, there now appears some evidence that when it's used for patients who are severely ill with Covid, that it is ineffective, and can lead to heart problems, possibly increasing the risk of death.

 

Most of the anecdotal reports where there were seen significant benefits of HCQ for Covid are where it was administered immediately the first signs are noted - even before a confirmatory Covid test, or even before any sign of Covid infection (such as the Lupus reports).

 

And of course, Trump has now recommended it as a prophylactic for Covid.

 

So, if there's no additional risk (of heart problems) when taking it as a prophylactic for Malaria, why then should there be ANY ADDITIONAL risk in taking it BEFORE Covid is detected, and I would like to see clinical trials continued on this basis.

 

I agree, that by the time Covid patients are suffering SEVERE symptoms, then it is perhaps too late anyway, but I believe that once patients are severe enough to be on a ventilator, then their chances of recovery are less than about 10% with or without HCQ.  

 

"Peak Prosperity" have issued daily CV Update videos on You-tube, many concentrating on HCQ (among many other CV related topics).  I'm not sure if I can link them here, but they're easy to find.

Check out the one from April 23rd, and it is also mentioned in a few later ones.

4 hours ago, wombat said:

50 years of safe use then Trump mentions it and whoosh just like that its a killer....if the Donald could turn water to wine the media would accuse him of pollution 

And the fact that he has investments with the company producing has no relevance ???????

 

21 minutes ago, keithathome said:

And the fact that he has investments with the company producing has no relevance ???????

 

HCQ is a generic med.. produced mainly in 3rd world countries like India, and retails for around 4 cents per tab... 

Edited May 26, 20206 yr by steve73

This story is hilarious. HCQ has been on the market for 65 years. It's so safe, it's prescribed to pregnant women. And suddenly, after Trump speaks highly of the drug, HCQ is found to be risky and dangerous.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

This story is hilarious. HCQ has been on the market for 65 years. It's so safe, it's prescribed to pregnant women. And suddenly, after Trump speaks highly of the drug, HCQ is found to be risky and dangerous.

 

 

Bless.

3 hours ago, fred110 said:

It's been used for decades for several diseases such as lupus.

Basically comes from the bark of a tree, Quinine. Used for everything throughout the world.  Yes quinine is still used to treat malaria.

 

Edited May 26, 20206 yr by rabas

 

36 minutes ago, keithathome said:

And the fact that he has investments with the company producing has no relevance ???????

 

Seriously, we're talking about a mutual fund Trump owns that has a small of the fund invested in the company in question?

 

Yes, I'd say that has no relevance. People with at least a little money know if you want to invest in a company, you buy their stock. If you want to diversify and invest in a certain segment of the market, you buy a specific mutual fund.

 

Irrelevant. Absolutely. But also very funny.

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

This story is hilarious. HCQ has been on the market for 65 years. It's so safe, it's prescribed to pregnant women. And suddenly, after Trump speaks highly of the drug, HCQ is found to be risky and dangerous.

 

 

Lol! Nothing to do with the fact that most Covid-19 trials involving CQ and ICQ have been completed after he made this statement. ????

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-clinical-trials-report-card-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine/

 

17 minutes ago, candide said:

Lol! Nothing to do with the fact that most Covid-19 trials involving CQ and ICQ have been completed after he made this statement. ????

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-clinical-trials-report-card-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine/

 

Yep, look at all those studies, likely most determined to get Trump at all costs. Thanks for posting.

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

This story is hilarious. HCQ has been on the market for 65 years. It's so safe, it's prescribed to pregnant women. And suddenly, after Trump speaks highly of the drug, HCQ is found to be risky and dangerous.

 

 

It has carried warnings about side effects for decades.
 

I was given hcq to be used as a last resort against malaria when I was a vso in Ghana in the mid 90s, the risks were known and explained to me.

 

trump is using it as a prophylaxis against covid-19, there is no proof it works for this  

1 hour ago, candide said:

Lol! Nothing to do with the fact that most Covid-19 trials involving CQ and ICQ have been completed after he made this statement. ????

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/covid-19-clinical-trials-report-card-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine/

 

Do you know this website is discussing scheduled trials and ones that are now under way? This is not the number of  completed trials, I see none that are completed. Many trials will take months.

 

The large study recently discussed here (TV) and in the media was not a trial at all. It was a computer study of hospital records of ordinary patients under random treatments in hundreds of hospitals.

 

I think 'week ending' refers to the graph, date indicates last day of that horizontal period.

 

Edited May 26, 20206 yr by rabas

4 hours ago, ChouDoufu said:

50 years ago (more or less) the department of defense tested nukular bombs ordering tens of thousands of soldiers and sailors to witness the tests within areas affected by radiation.

 

the tuskegee syphilis experiments were a particularly nasty affair.

 

and more recently soldiers were stationed in a former soviet chemical weapons dump, complete with x-files-esque black goo and glowing ponds

 

don't worry, the government says it's safe.  you'll be fine, soldier!

Yes, because taking a drug that has been on the market for 65 years is just like undergoing syphillis and radiation experiments.

34 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

It has carried warnings about side effects for decades.
 

I was given hcq to be used as a last resort against malaria when I was a vso in Ghana in the mid 90s, the risks were known and explained to me.

 

trump is using it as a prophylaxis against covid-19, there is no proof it works for this  

There are few to no drugs that don't warn of potential side effects.

 

So you managed to survive HCQ. Good.

 

I figure Trump and his doctor know what's best. Any reason I should doubt that?

4 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

There are few to no drugs that don't warn of potential side effects.

 

So you managed to survive HCQ. Good.

 

I figure Trump and his doctor know what's best. Any reason I should doubt that?

I used it on the two occasions I went down with malaria, I used as medical evidence dictated I should. 
 

trump is using it for something medically unproven. 

2 hours ago, keithathome said:

And the fact that he has investments with the company producing has no relevance ???????

 

 You have no sources, so ,Yes he's got a  family trust.  It has mutual funds! So what! Dodge & Cox International  Guess what this fund does ,it invests in many stock companies on any given day! 

The link below doesn't mention that the fund shares have gone down since December. So yes, no relevance 

https://www.wthr.com/article/verify-trump-has-small-financial-stakes-hydroxychloroquine-doesnt-control-them

36 minutes ago, rabas said:

Do you know this website is discussing scheduled trials and ones that are now under way? This is not the number of  completed trials, I see none that are completed. Many trials will take months.

 

The large study recently discussed here (TV) and in the media was not a trial at all. It was a computer study of hospital records of ordinary patients under random treatments in hundreds of hospitals.

 

I think 'week ending' refers to the graph, date indicates last day of that horizontal period.

 

You may well be right. Some may be completed rather quickly (the covid cycle is only a few weeks long), some not. So it is likely that some (many?) trials starting in February did not show any result before March/April.

 

Actually, it does not challenge the point I made: it is not surprising that the publication of negative information about CQ and HCQ mainly started more or less after Trump's statement, as it coincides with the publication of trial results.

33 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, because taking a drug that has been on the market for 65 years is just like undergoing syphillis and radiation experiments.

 

sure, sure, uv bulbs have been around for 100 years, and bleach has been here since noah had to clean dinosaur poop out of his sails.  perfectly safe for introduction into human orifii.

 

that doesn't mean the veterans administration should be experimenting, yet again, using unproven drugs on enlisted guinea pigs.

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yep, look at all those studies, likely most determined to get Trump at all costs. Thanks for posting.

Nonsense. On top of it, only 33/218 have been conducted in the US. Are you claiming there is a worldwide scientific conspiracy against Trump? ????

 

This conspiracy theory is already ridiculous enough in the US, but this claim is even more laughable in other countries, where scientists don't give a damn about US politics.

38 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I used it on the two occasions I went down with malaria, I used as medical evidence dictated I should. 
 

trump is using it for something medically unproven. 

The FDA(federal drug administration) in my country controls and regulates drugs ! 

They have issued guidelines on the use of this while  in consultation of your physician. The POTUS is golden, he's got doctors prescribing medically unproven drugs under the guidelines of the FDA ,And yet its all legal! Good for him and others that can follow the guidelines.

"The EUA was based upon limited evidence that the medicines may provide benefit, and for this reason, we authorized their use only in hospitalized patients under careful heart monitoring"

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

 

Edited May 26, 20206 yr by riclag

1 minute ago, candide said:

Nonsense. On top of it, only 33/218 have been conducted in the US. Are you claiming there is a worldwide scientific conspiracy against Trump? ????

 

This conspiracy theory is already ridiculous enough in the US, but this claim is even more laughable in other countries, where scientists don't give a damn about US politics.

Yer killin' me, smalls! ????

 

What, like there are no people in other countries that hate Trump? You guys usually wear worldwide hatred of Trump as a medal. Why be so coy now? As for a conspiracy, nah. People are just doing what they do. There is no Facebook or other group of different people in different countries coordinating or planning studies to GET TRUMP.

 

It just happens with these people naturally.  ????

 

Of course, we have to keep everything in context. The hatred and disapproval of HCQ after Trump talking nice about it was swift, voluminous and severe.

1 minute ago, riclag said:

The FDA(federal drug administration) in my country controls and regulates drugs ! 

They have issued guidelines on the use of this while  in consultation of your physician. The POTUS is golden, he's got doctors prescribing medically unproven drugs under the guidelines of the FDA ,And yet its all legal! Good for him and others that can follow the guidelines

 

HCQ is medically proven but not for what trump is using it. 

Just now, Bluespunk said:

HCQ is medically proven but not for what trump is using it. 

I edited my original comment that speaks to this

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

I edited my original comment that speaks to this

Either way there is no medical proof it works as a prophylaxis for covid-19 and that is what trump claims. 

Edited May 26, 20206 yr by Bluespunk

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Nonsense. On top of it, only 33/218 have been conducted in the US. Are you claiming there is a worldwide scientific conspiracy against Trump? ????

There is a global (real) conspiracy to make money on pharmaceuticals in the most unscrupulous ways. Another area where America leads the way.

 

Edited May 26, 20206 yr by rabas

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

Either way there is no medical proof it works as a prophylaxis and that is what trump claims. 

"The EUA was based upon limited evidence that the medicines may provide benefit, and for this reason, we authorized their use only in hospitalized patients under careful heart monitoring"

 

Just the words may provide benefit sounds much better then what your prescribing 

3 minutes ago, riclag said:

"The EUA was based upon limited evidence that the medicines may provide benefit, and for this reason, we authorized their use only in hospitalized patients under careful heart monitoring"

 

Just the words may provide benefit sounds much better then what your prescribing 

“May provide benefit” is not proof and when you are dealing with a drug with such dangerous side effects it is highly irresponsible to claim it does something it is not proven to do. 

Edited May 26, 20206 yr by Bluespunk

6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

“May provide benefit” is not proof and when you are dealing with a drug with such dangerous side effects it is highly irresponsible to claim it does something it is not proven to do. 

Go talk to the FDA,will ya,it's their words

Edited May 26, 20206 yr by riclag