26 minutes ago, J Town said:

It will be most interesting to see the numbers 2-3 weeks after that YUGE rally in Oklahoma. If I were a betting man, I bet the virus numbers will skyrocket. That will be a death knell.

Well, that also goes for the BLM demonstrations. That said, at least those demonstrations are being held outdoors where infections are less likely to occur.. The Trump rally will be in an enclosed arena. I've read that face masks will be handed out but attendees will not be required to wear them.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/donald-trump-tulsa-oklahoma-rally-saturday/index.html

Just now, johnpetersen said:

Well, that also goes for the BLM demonstrations. That said, at least those demonstrations are being held outdoors where infections are less likely to occur.. The Trump rally will be in an enclosed arena. I've read that face masks will be handed out but attendees will not be required to wear them.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/donald-trump-tulsa-oklahoma-rally-saturday/index.html

Many more masks are worn at BLM protests. The Trump rally attendees will NOT wear the masks because their leader scorns them, and most likely THEY would be scorned by fellow attendees if they wore them.

Pence urged governors to echo a misleading claim about infection spikes.

 

Vice President Mike Pence encouraged governors on Monday to adopt the administration’s claim that increased testing helps account for the new coronavirus outbreak reports, even though evidence has shown that the explanation is misleading.

On a call with the governors, audio of which was obtained by The New York Times, Mr. Pence urged them “to continue to explain to your citizens the magnitude of the increase in testing” in addressing the new outbreaks.

In fact, seven-day averages in several states with outbreaks have increased since May 31, and in at least 14 states, the positive case rate is increasing faster than the increase in the average number of tests, according to an analysis of data collected by The New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/world/coronavirus-usa-world.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage#link-9f8ca5e

3 minutes ago, J Town said:

Many more masks are worn at BLM protests. The Trump rally attendees will NOT wear the masks because their leader scorns them, and most likely THEY would be scorned by fellow attendees if they wore them.

I think it depends on where the protests are being held. In NY, it looked like virtually everyone was masked. But in other parts of the country not so much. The evidence keeps on piling up that wearing masks is the crucial practice to getting the covid transmission rate down. And somehow Trump managed to politicize mask wearing. How many people are going to die just because of that?

13 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

The evidence keeps on piling up that wearing masks is the crucial practice to getting the covid transmission rate down. And somehow Trump managed to politicize mask wearing. How many people are going to die just because of that?

There are many images, all saying basically the same:

it was proven before that dramatic video footage, was not even from now or from other countries, but everything to keep the panic alive on tv... death & sex sells

2 hours ago, Bender Rodriguez said:

it was proven before that dramatic video footage, was not even from now or from other countries, but everything to keep the panic alive on tv... death & sex sells

What dramatic video? When was it shot? Where was it shot?

4 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Oh yes, me too.

Speaking of Mayor Bottoms just imagine if the ticket had been Buttigieg Bottoms. 

 

 

Sorry. 

5 hours ago, Berkshire said:

You're right, Trump is inspirational...both for and against.  Trump's base is still largely the same.  But people who normally wouldn't come out will come out and vote against Trump because they don't want another 4 years of corrupt and incompetent leadership.  Just think mid-term 2018.

Think mid-term 2018, when Trump fared FAR better than his two Democrat predecessors. Maybe that's not such a good idea.

18 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Speaking of Mayor Bottoms just imagine if the ticket had been Buttigieg Bottoms. 

 

 

Sorry. 

Why are you making fun of gay people? That's not nice.

4 hours ago, J Town said:

For instance like Oklahoma?

Oklahoma's infection rate is 0.21%

New York's infection rate is 1.99%

Oklahoma's mortality rate is 4.2%.

New York's mortality rate is 7.8%

 

These stats based on NYT's virus information. I'm sorry, what was your point about Oklahoma?

Edited June 16, 20206 yr by Crazy Alex

Off topic posts and replies have been removed. 

1 hour ago, Crazy Alex said:

Oklahoma's infection rate is 0.21%

New York's infection rate is 1.99%

Oklahoma's mortality rate is 4.2%.

New York's mortality rate is 7.8%

 

These stats based on NYT's virus information. I'm sorry, what was your point about Oklahoma?

And what's the significance of these numbers to your way of thinking. New York's infection rate is declining.  Oklahoma's is increasing. More significant is that New York's hospitalization rate is declining. Oklahoma's is increasing. You think that until Oklahoma catches up, it should continue what it's doing?

Come to think of it, considering how densely packed New York is, Oklahoma is actually doing pretty poorly.

Edited June 16, 20206 yr by johnpetersen

2 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

And what's the significance of these numbers to your way of thinking. New York's infection rate is declining.  Oklahoma's is increasing. More significant is that New York's hospitalization rate is declining. Oklahoma's is increasing. You think that until Oklahoma catches up, it should continue what it's doing?

Come to think of it, considering how densely packed New York is, Oklahoma is actually doing pretty poorly.

As you know, the significance of the numbers is that Oklahoma can sustain more infections and deaths and still come out much better than New York- to anyone willing to observe and analyze the data.

 

As to population density, I agree that liberals in New York do not know how to handle densely populated areas. Heck, did they EVER shut down the virus-spreading subway system? In mid-March, De Blasio was telling people to go hang out in bars!

 

Nice try, but New York's problems are New York's problems. And they are much worse than Oklahoma's. If you have some numbers to make your case, I'd be happy to review them and offer a rebuttal. If you don't like Oklahoma's numbers, trust me, you're going to HATE Texas' numbers. I'll give you a little preview: Texas has 90+% fewer deaths with a population 50% higher than New York.

11 hours ago, J Town said:

And something most people tend to ignore - the Dems and Reps are essentially equal in numbers and vote strictly by party line. It's the INDEPENDENTS that need to be convinced, need to be excited into getting off their couches and go to the voting booths. Biden is getting a resounding "meh" from Independents, Bernie was the candidate that piqued their interest.

Yeah but if Biden gets a "meh" Trump gets a resounding "NOT HIM AGAIN" and he keeps digging that hole every week....you dont seriously think all those young people in the streets right now are all die hard dems, do you? One thing is for sure....Trump wanted a small voter turnout and that is not going to happen now. There is now a significant amount of people that would not have voted before that are agitated and wanting everything to change....including and especially that guy at the top.

 

 

The bigger picture here is that the American response to the virus has been extremely bad. It's not even important to say the worse. There are competitors for that "honor" like Brazil. But the concept of the USA as a leading country, or even the leading country has been severely tarnished, maybe permanently. 

 

As so many of here are expats and travelers (or used to be) people have got to realize that those with American passports are on the "don't let in" list for much of the world and will likely be on there longer or even much longer than countries have done much better.

 

 

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A president who promised to put ‘America First’ instead turned us into this

How nice it would be to be in Tokyo today.

The Tokyo Metropolitan Government moved to its last stage of reopening on Thursday, allowing bars, amusement parks and karaoke joints to operate. The city of 14 million, in a metropolitan area of 38 million, has averaged just 18 new cases of covid-19 per day, most of which the government efficiently traces to known cases.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/15/president-who-promised-put-america-first-instead-turned-us-into-this/

 

Edited June 16, 20206 yr by Jingthing

 

Many claims are made but stats have been showing different

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

The bigger picture here is that the American response to the virus has been extremely bad.

When is the last time you were in the USA?

Because reality here is not as MSM claims in their hopes for November changes ????

15 hours ago, J Town said:

It will be most interesting to see the numbers 2-3 weeks after that YUGE rally in Oklahoma. If I were a betting man, I bet the virus numbers will skyrocket. That will be a death knell.

Of course they'll go up. The fact remains blue states like New York and New Jersey numbers are so horrifying, states like Oklahoma and Texas with far, far better numbers will STILL look awesome by comparison. You simply do not have facts and math on your side, nor will you. I can't wait for leftists to try and tell us how bad Oklahoma is. I've got the Google. Bring it on.

It didn't help the US that Fauci lied about masks.

 

https://gizmodo.com/dr-fauci-made-the-coronavirus-pandemic-worse-by-lying-1844050358

15 hours ago, johnpetersen said:

Well, that also goes for the BLM demonstrations. That said, at least those demonstrations are being held outdoors where infections are less likely to occur.. The Trump rally will be in an enclosed arena. I've read that face masks will be handed out but attendees will not be required to wear them.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/donald-trump-tulsa-oklahoma-rally-saturday/index.html

Liberals once again are stuck cheering for the virus. Hilarious!

Radioactive USA, No one should be allowed to travel anywhere from the high numbered

states that are not taking care of the Covid Virus.  If these states cannot take their

outbreaks seriously, Donald needs to build some walls around their borders. I hope Canada

keeps the restrictions on their travel until Winter at the earliest.

  There are even some smart asses from the US who are claiming to be travelling

to Alaska just to get into Canada, so they can get a cheap Canadian holiday, I have heard

rumours that the police forces will be dealing with them, Good Riddance!

Geezer

 

34 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Of course they'll go up. The fact remains blue states like New York and New Jersey numbers are so horrifying, states like Oklahoma and Texas with far, far better numbers will STILL look awesome by comparison. You simply do not have facts and math on your side, nor will you. I can't wait for leftists to try and tell us how bad Oklahoma is. I've got the Google. Bring it on.

We’ve done the math on this already.

 

You don’t seem to have understood any of it, particularly the bit about population density.

 

 

29 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

We’ve done the math on this already.

 

You don’t seem to have understood any of it, particularly the bit about population density.

 

 

Yes, I've done the math already- and it's devastating for New York. Think the dead people and their families there care about population density? But just for fun, let's review:

 

% New Yorkers dead from COVID-19: 0.15%.

% Texans dead from COVID-19: 0.0007%

 

% New Yorkers infected with COVID-19: 2.00%

% Texans infected with COVID-19: 0.32%

 

New York COVID-19 mortality rate: 7.8%

Texas COVID-19 mortality rate: 2.1%

 

Now tell me again about the math you've gone over. And feel free to remind me how New York City is so dumb at handling population density, the kept what is perhaps the best way to spread a virus open: the subway.

 

I'm happy to discuss any of it with you. And trust me, there's no relief for you in Oklahoma's numbers. You're pretty much once again left cheering for the virus. But if you think you can support your allegation that I don't understand any of it, by all means, make your case. I look forward to debating the facts with you.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/new-york-coronavirus-cases.html

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/texas-coronavirus-cases.html

Edited June 17, 20206 yr by Crazy Alex

7 hours ago, Tie Dye Samurai said:

Yeah but if Biden gets a "meh" Trump gets a resounding "NOT HIM AGAIN" and he keeps digging that hole every week....you dont seriously think all those young people in the streets right now are all die hard dems, do you? One thing is for sure....Trump wanted a small voter turnout and that is not going to happen now. There is now a significant amount of people that would not have voted before that are agitated and wanting everything to change....including and especially that guy at the top.

I'm not sure why you think a high voter turnout from Democrats is expected. Biden can't even fill a high school auditorium. Trump fills stadiums. The horrible poll numbers on voter enthusiasm for Biden reflect this important difference. Let's get real: Joe Biden is nothing to get excited over. He can't even complete a few sentences without screwing them up. He literally has no accomplishments to speak of after nearly five decades in government. He's a complete buffoon- though was an effective hack for banksters. Yeah, that should get people really excited about him. LOL

2 hours ago, steelepulse said:

It didn't help the US that Fauci lied about masks.

 

https://gizmodo.com/dr-fauci-made-the-coronavirus-pandemic-worse-by-lying-1844050358

Once again - deny, ignore, lie, deflect, obfuscate

He never lied. He presented the information in a logical manner based on facts.

2 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Yes, I've done the math already- and it's devastating for New York. Think the dead people and their families there care about population density? But just for fun, let's review:

 

% New Yorkers dead from COVID-19: 0.15%.

% Texans dead from COVID-19: 0.0007%

 

% New Yorkers infected with COVID-19: 2.00%

% Texans infected with COVID-19: 0.32%

 

New York COVID-19 mortality rate: 7.8%

Texas COVID-19 mortality rate: 2.1%

 

Now tell me again about the math you've gone over. And feel free to remind me how New York City is so dumb at handling population density, the kept what is perhaps the best way to spread a virus open: the subway.

 

I'm happy to discuss any of it with you. And trust me, there's no relief for you in Oklahoma's numbers. You're pretty much once again left cheering for the virus. But if you think you can support your allegation that I don't understand any of it, by all means, make your case. I look forward to debating the facts with you.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/new-york-coronavirus-cases.html

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/texas-coronavirus-cases.html

The ball is still in play:

 

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/09/texas-coronavirus-reopening-surge-infections-hospitalizations/

3 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

Of course they'll go up. The fact remains blue states like New York and New Jersey numbers are so horrifying, states like Oklahoma and Texas with far, far better numbers will STILL look awesome by comparison. You simply do not have facts and math on your side, nor will you. I can't wait for leftists to try and tell us how bad Oklahoma is. I've got the Google. Bring it on.

Obviously the more densely populated a state is the worse it will fare all things being equal. But Oklahoma's rate is still over half of New York's and it's gaining.  What's really ridiculous is that you make this a left-right topic. (Is mask wearing also an item on the left wing agenda?)  Because epidemiology has a liberal bias? What happens once those ICU beds in Oklahoma, Texas, Arizone, etc all get filled? Not only will Covid patients be dying but also other gravely ill people who need those beds as well.

2 hours ago, Crazy Alex said:

I'm not sure why you think a high voter turnout from Democrats is expected. Biden can't even fill a high school auditorium. Trump fills stadiums. The horrible poll numbers on voter enthusiasm for Biden reflect this important difference. Let's get real: Joe Biden is nothing to get excited over. He can't even complete a few sentences without screwing them up. He literally has no accomplishments to speak of after nearly five decades in government. He's a complete buffoon- though was an effective hack for banksters. Yeah, that should get people really excited about him. LOL

Maybe because there was a record high turnout among Democrats during the midterms? Trump isn't just a powerful motivator for the right.