kokesaat Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 My Thai wife and I have been stuck in the US since Feb, unable to return to our home in Thailand. She's US/Thai, but has traveled over many years on a US passport. She had a Thai passport several years ago, but it expired and is in our home in Thailand. As the rules on expats returning have yet to be defined, she'd like to obtain a new Thai passport. She has her Thai ID card here in the US, but not her housebook. I've inquired via email with the Thai consulate, but haven't heard back. Might anyone out there have any idea whether she'll be able to obtain a new Thai passport while in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonfire Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 If you are Thai, you need to leave Thailand on a Thai passport (when you say you left it in Thailand is the first red flag about your post). Reason when your wife returns to Thailand she would enter on the same Thai passport she exited with, which will also have her departure card with it. A Thai entering the Kingdom on a US passport, means she will have to follow the immigration rules that apply to the US passport and this is where the problems start. It is a must leave on a Thai passport from Thailand, enter the US on the US passport, exit the US on the US passport, re-enter Thailand on the Thai passport that was used to exit Thailand at the start. You want the Thai embassy to issue you a new Thai passport when you have NO exit stamp or departure card from the Thai passport you used to leave Thailand at the beginning. Yes, you have a issue! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 The Thai Embassy in the US can issue a Thai Citizen, "Permit to Travel" to your wife to get back here, She can then get a new Thai passport and do as Moonfire advises in future. My Brit/Thai daughter applied and obtained just such a PtT but in the event, didn't use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post natway09 Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 How did she get out with her Thai passport left in Thailand.? Get someone to post it to her, Thais are allowed back in even on an expired passport. Have you really thought this post through ? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ubonjoe Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Moonfire said: Reason when your wife returns to Thailand she would enter on the same Thai passport she exited with, which will also have her departure card with it. Thai's have not gotten TM6 arrival/departure cards for a while now. 1 hour ago, Moonfire said: You want the Thai embassy to issue you a new Thai passport when you have NO exit stamp or departure card from the Thai passport you used to leave Thailand at the beginning. That is not required to apply for a Thai passport. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 She can just get a new Thai passport via the embassy in DC or the nearest consulate authorized to issue them. All she needs is her ID card. A certificate of identity would also be allowable if they are issuing them. Once issued, she can travel to Thailand, but under current arrangements, will need to arrange this with the embassy and do the mandatory 14 day quarantine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchlet Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1. E mail is useless, no incentive to reply. 2. Use the phone to your nearest consulate. 3. Get her to rescind her US nationality. Among Western Nations, the tax regime is the USA is the nastiest and one of the most complicated in the world and taxes you on your world wide income. There is leterally no benefit to being a US citizen, green card maybe, at least that gets you out of the clutches of the tax man when it expires. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 448glb Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Moonfire said: If you are Thai, you need to leave Thailand on a Thai passport (when you say you left it in Thailand is the first red flag about your post). Reason when your wife returns to Thailand she would enter on the same Thai passport she exited with, which will also have her departure card with it. A Thai entering the Kingdom on a US passport, means she will have to follow the immigration rules that apply to the US passport and this is where the problems start. It is a must leave on a Thai passport from Thailand, enter the US on the US passport, exit the US on the US passport, re-enter Thailand on the Thai passport that was used to exit Thailand at the start. You want the Thai embassy to issue you a new Thai passport when you have NO exit stamp or departure card from the Thai passport you used to leave Thailand at the beginning. Yes, you have a issue! Wrong 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 If possible go to the embassy/consulate in the US to ask about process getting your wife into Thailand as Thai citizen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AgMech Cowboy Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 35 minutes ago, munchlet said: 3. Get her to rescind her US nationality. Among Western Nations, the tax regime is the USA is the nastiest and one of the most complicated in the world and taxes you on your world wide income. There is leterally no benefit to being a US citizen, green card maybe, at least that gets you out of the clutches of the tax man when it expires. I'm not a mod, but, really, try to stay on subject here. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukKrueng Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Moonfire said: If you are Thai, you need to leave Thailand on a Thai passport (when you say you left it in Thailand is the first red flag about your post). Reason when your wife returns to Thailand she would enter on the same Thai passport she exited with, which will also have her departure card with it. A Thai entering the Kingdom on a US passport, means she will have to follow the immigration rules that apply to the US passport and this is where the problems start. It is a must leave on a Thai passport from Thailand, enter the US on the US passport, exit the US on the US passport, re-enter Thailand on the Thai passport that was used to exit Thailand at the start. You want the Thai embassy to issue you a new Thai passport when you have NO exit stamp or departure card from the Thai passport you used to leave Thailand at the beginning. Yes, you have a issue! As @ubonjoe wrote already - Thai citizens don't have departure/ arrival card for well over a year now. Also, if they depart from an airport with automatic gates such as BKK- the are no exit/ entry stamps in the passport. Although generally speaking you're correct - Thai citizens SHOULD exit/ enter Thailand on a Thai passport - it is not impossible to do so on a foreign passport and get the same conditions as any national of the country with which passport they entered with (ie visa exempt) with only 1 difference that if they stay longer here, they can get avn extension based on Thai citizenship. As other have mentioned - she could get a permission to travel to Thailand from the Thai embassy based on her Thai citizenship, so not much of avn issue there 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morty T Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Good luck with that. If your wife has a US passport,she is a US citizen. US doesn't recognize dual citizenship with Thailand. Many times we have run into problems with trying to use the 2 passport system leaving and entering the country. No problem with Thailand, but as soon as US immigration asks, " where did you go, " after seeing a departure stamp, but no arrival, you will run afoul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TerryLH Posted June 17, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2020 49 minutes ago, Morty T said: US doesn't recognize dual citizenship with Thailand. Not true. I don't know why people keep thinking dual citizenship is not ok with either the US or Thailand. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Moonfire said: If you are Thai, you need to leave Thailand on a Thai passport (when you say you left it in Thailand is the first red flag about your post). Reason when your wife returns to Thailand she would enter on the same Thai passport she exited with, which will also have her departure card with it. A Thai entering the Kingdom on a US passport, means she will have to follow the immigration rules that apply to the US passport and this is where the problems start. It is a must leave on a Thai passport from Thailand, enter the US on the US passport, exit the US on the US passport, re-enter Thailand on the Thai passport that was used to exit Thailand at the start. You want the Thai embassy to issue you a new Thai passport when you have NO exit stamp or departure card from the Thai passport you used to leave Thailand at the beginning. Yes, you have a issue! No she won’t. The majority of this post is just straight out wrong. Departure and arrival cards have been done away with, not that it ever mattered. The embassy will issue her with a Thai passport given she is thai. She’ll have no issue reentering Thailand on a blank unused passport. It happens all the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveInBKKandMAUI Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Hello, There are repatriation flights from June 16 to June 26. My Thai National Wife is on Korean Airlines #KE012 from LAX. There are also flights from JFK & IAD. 3 different airlines - Korean Airlines, JAL, and Asiana. The form she completed just asked: Thai Passport <or> Thai ID Card. The form is simple and it gives you 4 travel agencies in BKK to book your travel. My wife is flying from Maui, Hawaii to LAX and go from there. Biggest Challenge: Fit To Fly document. It must NOT be older than 72 hours. The flights are $1,000+ USD. My wife receives an email each morning with updates. Most flights currently have 80+ openings for 200 slots on each aircraft. Hurry! The Thai Embassy Washington DC is trying to fill the airplanes. My wife talked to Global Union (travel agency) and Majestic Travel (also travel agency). She paid for her ticket. She will have 14-day Quarantine upon landing in BKK. You need just 3 things: 1. Purchase Airline Ticket 2. Request A Travel Certificate (easy to download) 3. Fit-To-Fly Medical Certificate. My wife's PCP can do this. It is NOT a Covid-19 brain teaser test. There are email addresses for you below; The Royal Thai Embassy in Washington would like to inform you that the Royal Thai Embassy Royal Thai Consulate-General in New York City Royal Thai Consulate-General in Los Angeles and the Consulate General in Chicago have approved the quota to send Thai people back from the United States. Additional 1,285 people Between 18-29 June 2020 and you are eligible to return to Thailand by flight to return to a Thai domicile (repatriation flight) With the changing travel conditions and procedures taken from previous practices, therefore please your cooperation to read Travel details and procedures as follows 1. Flights - You have the option to use Japan Airline (JAL), Asiana (OZ) and Korean Air (KE) as follows. Arrival Thailand number quota (people) line The fly Leave Main airport Leave US To south korea / Japanese Leave South Korea / Japanese Estimate travel ticket costs Single (USD) (tax included) LAX (KE012) 16 Jun 23:50 05:10 (+2) 18:05 (+2) IAD (KE094) 17 Jun 13:25 16:50 (+1) 18:05 (+1) 18 Jun 21:45 50 KE Jfk (KE082) 17 Jun 14:00 17:20 (+1) 18:05 (+1) 1,120-1,285 (Price includes domestic flights To connect to the main airport) 18 Jun 7:30 185 JAL LAX (JL015 / AA8453) 16 Jun 14:10 17:20 (+1) 03:05 (+2) 1,040-1,440 (Price includes domestic flights) LAX (OZ201) 19 Jun 12:10 17:20 (+1) 19:30 (+1) 1,074 20 Jun 23:10 250 Oz Jfk (OZ221) 19 Jun 13:55 17:35 (+1) 19:30 (+1) 1,270 22 Jun 7:30 200 JAL LAX (JL015 / AA8453) 20 Jun 14:10 17:20 (+1) 03:05 (+2) 1,040-1,440 (Price includes domestic flights) 25 Jun 7:30 200 JAL LAX (JL015 / AA8453) 23 Jun 14:10 17:20 (+1) 03:05 (+2) 1,040-1,440 (Price includes domestic flights) LAX (KE012) 25 Jun 23:50 05:10 (+2) 18:05 (+2) 27 June 21:45 200 KE IAD (KE094) 26 Jun 13:25 16:50 (+1) 18:05 (+1) 1,120-1,285 (price includes flights Within the country to connect Page 2 Jfk (KE082) 26 Jun 14:00 17:20 (+1) 18:05 (+1) ORD (KE038) 26 Jun 12:25 16:15 (+1) 18:05 (+1) Main airport) LAX (OZ201) 28 Jun 12:10 17:20 (+1) 19:30 (+1) 1,074 29 June 23:10 200 Oz Jfk (OZ221) 28 Jun 13:55 17:35 (+1) 19:30 (+1) 1,270 Note - OZ Airlines does not include domestic flights. Passengers must provide domestic travel to LAX or JFK themselves ** - JAL Airlines has approximately 10 hours of transit at Haneda Airport. - OZ and KE airlines have a 1-2 hour transit time at Incheon Airport, except for machines traveling from LAX. transit about 13 hours - OZ Airlines provides 1 additional bag for a total of 3 bags (23 kg each) and to wait in the lounge of the airline by passengers Must state the said request for use of the said service in the agency's ticketing system 2. Conditions and channels for purchasing plane tickets for each airline You can book plane tickets according to the guidelines below without having to confirm the rights with the embassy or Consulate General In which the flight to Thailand is a special flight that sends Thai people back into the country (Repatriation flight) that has a control amount Those traveling to Thailand on a daily basis, you will not be able to book tickets through other means than the airlines stipulated. 2.1 Korean Air and Asiana Airlines 2.1.1 Contact methods - You can contact to buy via the website. www.ihanatour.com/thai Which is an airline agency Assigned to be responsible for this special flight only. You can fill in your name-surname and email to check your information. Choose your desired flight and pay for your ticket from 10 June 2020 onwards. 2.1.2 Those who have plane tickets from Asiana Airlines (beginning with 988 ...) and Korean Air (beginning with 180 ....) that have not been used You can request to change tickets by filling in the original plane ticket number in the Hanatour ticketing system and there may be a cost to change the ticket. This depends on the status of the ticket you are holding. However, if you do not inform the old ticket number Agencies and airlines will consider that you want to buy a ticket. New single 2.1.3 For those who choose flights, Korean Air - you can fill in the Hanatour system to notify Desire that you can depart from 3 airports near your accommodation, with the agency and the airline attempting to arrange routes from The airport of your choice and contact you to confirm the route and pay for the plane ticket However, if there are no domestic flights from The airport that you choose, Hanatour will reserve your seat from the major airports, such as LAX, IAD, JFK or ORD, near you and Contacting you to pay further Page 3 2.1.4 For those who choose Asiana Airlines flights - you can choose to depart from LAX or JFK airports. And can pay in the system by credit card in the Hanatour system straight away If you have additional questions You can ask for more information at HANATOUR of Philadelphia at 7827 Old York Road, Elkins. Park, PA 19027, Phone 215-935-2500, [email protected]. 2.2 Japan Airlines (together with American Airlines) 2.2.1 Methods of contact for purchasing plane tickets Step 1 - You must click to register to buy tickets with the airline at this link. Step 2 - Within 24 hours after you register The airline will send you a seat quota confirmation email. You can bring the said email to purchase tickets via the Thailand channel by asking you to contact only one of the following options. Option 1 - Japan Airlines, Bangkok Office Monday-Friday 08.00-17.00 00 (Thailand Time) Phone 02-131-3300 Email [email protected] Closed on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays Option 2 - American Airlines, Bangkok Office Today , Monday - Thursday 08.30-17.00 hrs. (Thailand time) Phone 02-2376917, 02-634-1030-2 or email[email protected] Booking by email Friday [email protected] only. Closed on Saturdays, Sundays and public holidays Option 3 - Contact the agency in Thailand that the airline recommends as follows. Company name Phone number Email LINE ID / Website Aviation (Thailand) Co Ltd. 099-232-3649, 081-741-7624 [email protected] @aviationthailand www.aviation- thailand.com Dits Travel 081-889-8482, 089-565-3569 [email protected] [email protected] Majestic Travel 02-652-2000, 02-652-2662, 02-254-7320, 02-255-5281 [email protected] Global union 02-308-2104 [email protected] www.guetravel.com 2.2.2 You are not able to request to change plane tickets from Japan Airlines or American Airlines. The original version you are holding is a plane ticket for travel on special flights, which the airline recommends that you request a refund. Through the agent or the way you bought the original ticket Which the airline will not charge a refund Page 4 2.2.3 Must make payment and buy tickets. To be completed within 3 days after receiving the email 3. Other conditions 3.1 The agent and the airline will consider confirming your quota according to the time you paid for the plane ticket. If the flight you Travel wishes You can choose to travel with another flight. Or contact the waitlist in case someone waives the seat 3.2 Request cooperation. Avoid reserving plane tickets through multiple channels as this will cause duplicate seats in the system. And the embassy Consulate General Will not be responsible if the airline cancels your reservation if there are duplicate reservations 3.3 In the past, there was an event in which passengers wishing to cancel the flight were close. Spoil some quota due to not Can find a substitute on time In order to enable the management to be efficient and support those who have expressed their wish to return to Thailand as Nearly 2,500 people are asking for your cooperation to speed up the ticket issuance process within 3 days of receiving the email. If the airline doesn't Can contact you by phone or email to track ticket issues The company can cancel your seat reservation to allow people with Readiness than proceed with the issue of the ticket in the next order 3.4 You must provide a Fit-to-Fly health certificate issued by the doctor no later than 72 hours before departure from the United States. 3.5 Persons traveling to Thailand under the exemption from the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand must accept quarantine and surveillance. (State Quarantine) in the place specified by the state for 14 days and agree to stay two in a double room if necessary. In addition, if you wish to stay In the Alternative State Quarantine (ASQ), which is responsible for procuring locations from the list of Certified by the official and responsible for the expenses themselves. Please contact ASQ to make a reservation directly and provide details to staff. Embassy / Royal Thai Consulate-General Know at least 2 days before departure. In addition, you can check the list of hotels that pass. ASQ assessment by the Ministry of Health and the Ministry of Defense through Embassy website 3.6 according to the latest specifications Thai authorities ask for cooperation. Every person entering the country must detain themselves. (Self-Quarantine) In accommodation for 14 days before traveling and if you are at risk based on occupation, place of residence, social life Including daily activities You must be tested for COVID-19 by PCR-Swab-Test. Or the detection of cowvid-19 from saliva (Saliva RT-PCR Test). If the result is positive You will not be able to travel with this special flight. In addition, the risk assessment You may consider using the Coronavirus Self-Checker at the National Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Of the United States thatwww.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/diagnostic-testing.html 4. Summary of procedures for those who wish to travel 4.1 Contact to purchase plane tickets according to the flight you wish to travel via the contact methods in item 2 above. 4.2 Once you have received your plane ticket, request a travel certificate. By pressing the personal link at the end of this email to check the information Upload your plane ticket. And the detention consent form with your signature ( download the form here) And other documents such as Documents for staying at the Alternative State Quarantine to provide information for the embassy Issuing a travel certificate for you further 4.3 Provide a Fit-to-Fly medical certificate no later than 72 hours before the doctor leaves, no more than 72 hours before departure from the United States (or approximately 2 Days before departure) Page 5 4.4 On the day of departure Passports, Fit-to-Fly certificates and travel certificates issued by the embassy / Consulate General with luggage to check in for normal departure. Hardcopy of all documents with 4.5 Download and fill out Form T. 8, which canDownload here Or register via phone application system Of airport https://aot-app.kdlab.ai/ 5. Recommendations - People traveling in a group should prepare their luggage individually. Because the Thai government will arrange a quarantine room to control the disease separately Each room (except for small children) may cause inconvenience if you have to pick up your luggage from another passenger's bag when traveling. To Thailand - To enable the Thai government to provide convenience and efficiency to all who arrive in Thailand Please cooperate with the officers of the embassy / consulate general. If you have any illness or health problems that Thai health officials should be aware to prepare to receive you. Especially (1) patients with severe conditions such as cancer (2) People with mental illness (3) Women who are pregnant near birth 3 days before traveling By requesting cooperation to report treatment history at Hospitals in Thailand (if any) 6. If you have additional questions, you can contact the embassy. And the consulate general in accordance with the division of responsibilities as follows Date of arrival in Thailand Responsible person Hotline telephone number 18, 22 and 25 June 2020 Royal Thai Embassy, Washington (202) 999 7690, (202) 431 0882 (202) 465 0938 and (202) 431 7766 20 June 2020 Royal Thai Consulate-General in Chicago [email protected] (In case of urgent call 773-294-5933) 27 and 29 June 2020 Royal Thai Consulate-General in City of los angeles 323-580-4222, 323-552-3277, 747-334-4558, 818-292-7591 Email [email protected] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaoYai Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 If you don't get any joy with a new passport from the Thai Embassy, as far as I know you'll be fine with her old one if you can get someone to send it to you. She is a Thai citizen and her passport establishes that. I've seen several accounts where Thai citizens have been allowed to enter Thailand on an expired passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, KhaoYai said: If you don't get any joy with a new passport from the Thai Embassy, as far as I know you'll be fine with her old one if you can get someone to send it to you. She is a Thai citizen and her passport establishes that. I've seen several accounts where Thai citizens have been allowed to enter Thailand on an expired passport. I’ve entered Thailand on an expired passport a couple of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokesaat Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 I appreciate all the feedback. I may explore having someone go through my personal papers to find my wife's old passport and sent it to the US. I have since found out that you have to present yourself in person at one of the embassies/consulates to have a new passport issued. Just to clarify a few things.....my wife is Thai (when she's in Thailand), with a Thai ID card and housepaper. But over the 23 years we've lived in Thailand, she's always traveled back and forth with her American passport. Yes, she goes through the rubber stamp process to get an annual extension......as we both do our extensions at the same time, the immigration officer is only concerned with my finances. For a variety of reasons (coups, unrest, etc) we've both felt more comfortable with her being in Thailand on a US passport. Obviously, we didn't see Covid happening, but it's a lesson learned. My wife really doesn't intend on traveling back to Thailand without me........but I thought the Thai passport could come in handy if she had a change of heart. She's 70, like me.......we've been together for 48 years and I don't see anything happening that would want her to return without me. If we remain marooned in the US, we're comfy......but would return to Thailand on a dime if the opportunity presents itself. Again, thanks for the feedback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 14 hours ago, kokesaat said: I appreciate all the feedback. I may explore having someone go through my personal papers to find my wife's old passport and sent it to the US. I have since found out that you have to present yourself in person at one of the embassies/consulates to have a new passport issued. Just to clarify a few things.....my wife is Thai (when she's in Thailand), with a Thai ID card and housepaper. But over the 23 years we've lived in Thailand, she's always traveled back and forth with her American passport. Yes, she goes through the rubber stamp process to get an annual extension......as we both do our extensions at the same time, the immigration officer is only concerned with my finances. For a variety of reasons (coups, unrest, etc) we've both felt more comfortable with her being in Thailand on a US passport. Obviously, we didn't see Covid happening, but it's a lesson learned. No need to dig through old documents, she can get a new passport with her ID card. it is an extremely easy process. If they ask for her old passport, just report it lost. As for being in Thailand on a US passport, given she still is a Thai citizen (despite entering on the US passport) she won't be offered any consular assistance, so it makes little difference from that perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyBKK Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just go to the thai embassy and say you lost your thai passport and they will make a new one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotman Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, JohnnyBKK said: Just go to the thai embassy and say you lost your thai passport and they will make a new one... No, they will not, what they will issue is a "Permit to Travel", back to LOS to get a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unheard Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, JohnnyBKK said: Just go to the thai embassy and say you lost your thai passport and they will make a new one... The Thai embassy and consulates are closed for in-person business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 22 minutes ago, Pilotman said: No, they will not, what they will issue is a "Permit to Travel", back to LOS to get a new one. They would accept an application for new passport after completing a lost passport form but it can takes several weeks to get it. The can issue a temporary passport or certificate of identity as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubonjoe Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, unheard said: The Thai embassy and consulates are closed for in-person business. An appointment can be made for urgent things like a passport and etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 6/17/2020 at 7:49 PM, Morty T said: Good luck with that. If your wife has a US passport,she is a US citizen. US doesn't recognize dual citizenship with Thailand. Many times we have run into problems with trying to use the 2 passport system leaving and entering the country. No problem with Thailand, but as soon as US immigration asks, " where did you go, " after seeing a departure stamp, but no arrival, you will run afoul. The US does recognize dual nationality. I am ntoi sure what your wife's issues have been but it is not that. See below, from State Dept website Dual Nationality Section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) states that “the term ‘national of the United States’ means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States.” Therefore, U.S. citizens are also U.S. nationals. Non-citizen nationality status refers only individuals who were born either in American Samoa or on Swains Island to parents who are not citizens of the United States. The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a national of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own nationality laws based on its own policy. Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. national parents may be both a U.S. national and a national of the country of birth. Or, an individual having one nationality at birth may naturalize at a later date in another country and become a dual national. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another. A U.S. citizen may naturalize in a foreign state without any risk to his or her U.S. citizenship. However, persons who acquire a foreign nationality after age 18 by applying for it may relinquish their U.S. nationality if they wish to do so. In order to relinquish U.S. nationality by virtue of naturalization as a citizen of a foreign state, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily and with the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality. Intent may be shown by the person’s statements and conduct. Dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, and either country has the right to enforce its laws. It is important to note the problems attendant to dual nationality. Claims of other countries upon U.S. dual-nationals often place them in situations where their obligations to one country are in conflict with the laws of the other. In addition, their dual nationality may hamper efforts of the U.S. Government to provide consular protection to them when they are abroad, especially when they are in the country of their second nationality. U.S. nationals, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport to travel to or from a country other than the United States is not inconsistent with U.S. law. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html OP, it may be possible for your wife to enter Thailand with just her Thai ID card, I think some of those being repatriated have done so, but confirm with Consulate ro Embassy. If so then she can apply for her passport once back in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhaoYai Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 9:16 PM, kokesaat said: She's 70, like me.......we've been together for 48 years and I don't see anything happening that would want her to return without me. Wow, congratulations are very much in order - yes guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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