Americans won't be in any travel bubble agreements anytime soon!

[NoshowJones]

52 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

I believe the US is more disliked now then any time in recent history.

Probably hated by many.

I do not see anyone stuck there now coming back to Thailand before the end of the year.

 

Disliked even more than China??

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, bodga said:

with  only 2.2 million infections and a  population of 328million id  say a  lot of this is total krap

It isn't. 

 

https://digg.com/2020/the-trajectory-of-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-compared-to-other-countries-visualized

 

Despite Vice President Mike Pence's rosy outlook on the coronavirus pandemic, record-setting spikes in states across the west and south of the United States (Arizona, Florida, Texas) are keeping the case counts in the country worryingly steady.  While Pence argued, "there isn't a coronavirus 'second wave'," if you look at the numbers, we're clearly still in the first wave and have not assuaged the spread of the virus as successfully as Europe.

Looking at data compiled by Our World In Data's team, the daily confirmed COVID-19 cases in the US have remained high, while the European Union has gotten its numbers down considerably.

 

Edited June 20, 2020 by Jingthing

[Pattaya46]

7 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

1 hour ago, bkk6060 said:

I believe the US is more disliked now then any time in recent history. //

Disliked even more than China??

In most other countries, people have not been so brainwashed against China by their politicians... 

[ChouDoufu]

don't worry about the reports of proposed bubbles, wait until you see the actual wording of the regulations, and get confirmation from embassies as to how they will issue visas.

 

don't worry until we start getting reports of rouge immigration officials at dmk/bkk refusing entry despite covid19 tests and valid visas.....and whatever other documents are required in the future.

 

 

consider this here announcement about vietnam's travel hubble mentioning foreign visitors from, not citizens of:

 

Vietnam to Ease Travel Restrictions for China, South Korea & Japan

June 19, 2020

On Thursday (June 18), the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said that Vietnam is looking to ease the restrictions on entry of foreign visitors from China, South Korea and Japan into the country.

 

https://www.aseantravelnews.com/2020/06/19/vietnam-ease-travel-restrictions-china-south-korea-japan/

[Sujo]

Malaysia working on opening to 6 countries.

 

Japan, korea, brunei, singapore, nz and australia.

 

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020/06/19/malaysia-seeks-to-open-its-borders-to-six-039green039-countries-says-dr-noor-hisham

[spidermike007]

Absolutely correct. We will be the most radioactive people on the planet for quite some time to come. And deservedly so. An epic failure combined with the highest incidence of heart disease, diabetes and obesity on the planet and a horrible diet for most. A perfect storm for Covid. And it is long from being under control at 2.2 million cases.

[spidermike007]

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It isn't. 

 

https://digg.com/2020/the-trajectory-of-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-compared-to-other-countries-visualized

 

Despite Vice President Mike Pence's rosy outlook on the coronavirus pandemic, record-setting spikes in states across the west and south of the United States (Arizona, Florida, Texas) are keeping the case counts in the country worryingly steady.  While Pence argued, "there isn't a coronavirus 'second wave'," if you look at the numbers, we're clearly still in the first wave and have not assuaged the spread of the virus as successfully as Europe.

Looking at data compiled by Our World In Data's team, the daily confirmed COVID-19 cases in the US have remained high, while the European Union has gotten its numbers down considerably.

 

Correct. Virtually anything Pence says can be immediately dismissed as nonsense. That is just who he is and the team he is on. 

 

It is out of control in the US. Another epic American failure. 

[Pattaya46]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It isn't. [total krap]

 

https://digg.com/2020/the-trajectory-of-covid-19-cases-in-the-us-compared-to-other-countries-visualized

 

Despite Vice President Mike Pence's rosy outlook on the coronavirus pandemic, record-setting spikes in states across the west and south of the United States (Arizona, Florida, Texas) are keeping the case counts in the country worryingly steady.  ///

Thanks. Interesting link,

and a rather frightening graph :

 

[thailien8]

36 minutes ago, Pattaya46 said:

Thanks. Interesting link,

and a rather frightening graph :

 

One looks like a proper wave, the other like a tsunami.

[metisdead]

Some troll posts have been removed. 

[TGIR]

Figures don't lie ...... but liars figure.  If you're going to start posting numbers

, post them all.

Edited June 20, 2020 by TGIR
misspelling

[Jingthing]

34 minutes ago, andy said:

My fear is that all logic will go out the window and countries will make the rules solely based on what passport you hold it .  Not a great time to be an expat with a US passport then.  Anyone know if Cambodia still offers citizenship by cash deposit investment?

Not sure that it's so illogical for bubble deal countries to keep it simple that way.

Here's another example. 

In a hypothetical Thailand Vietnam bubble supposing an American expat here could travel to Vietnam and be seen as in the bubble. I don't believe that would be the case but just for discussion. 

So you finish your Vietnamese holiday and then what? Worry that Thailand will honor the bubble with your American passport? 

Seems very risky. 

[Mikeasq60]

How has the US handled the fake virus hoax please tell me. Thailand how have they handled this plandemic they've hurt many people I hope people in Thailand remember those politicians making  political decisions come election time 

[metisdead]

A troll post that was previously missed has now been removed as well as a reply. 

[Jingthing]

20 minutes ago, Mikeasq60 said:

How has the US handled the fake virus hoax please tell me. Thailand how have they handled this plandemic they've hurt many people I hope people in Thailand remember those politicians making  political decisions come election time 

The virus is real. 

It is not fake. 

It is not a plandemic. 

It is pandemic. 

Yes all countries have paid an economic price for public health measures. 

But at least Thailand appears to have actually succeeded in controlling the virus. 

So they got a real return for the cost. 

The virus is apolitical.

 

Edited June 20, 2020 by Jingthing

[Sujo]

I really would laugh if the US opening the travel bubble started with mexico.

[Morty T]

16 hours ago, sirineou said:

I am in Florida, what are my chances  

 

Plan B is to get a European passport. I am working on it. 

The reality is that Thailand isn't the exotic destination as it was in the past. Your basic flight from JFK to Bangkok is 21 hours in the air. Peolpe are not ready to do that as if yet, and more importantly if I want a destination that I will get the best bang for my buck, I'm heading to Vietnam. 

[Andy from Kent]

16 hours ago, sirineou said:

I am in Florida, what are my chances  

 

Plan B is to get a European passport. I am working on it. 

 

For just over 77,000 GBP you can acquire citizenship in Saint Lucia.   Not a bad  deal for someone in need of one.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/countries-where-you-can-buy-citizenship-residency-or-passport-2018-9

 

 

[Jingthing]

15 minutes ago, Sujo said:

I really would laugh if the US opening the travel bubble started with mexico.

Well that would be a sickness bubble based on both countries current situations. But you're right it would be funny wall-wise. But practically both countries are already joined at the hip and there are millions of Americans living in Mexico. 

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, Morty T said:

The reality is that Thailand isn't the exotic destination as it was in the past. Your basic flight from JFK to Bangkok is 21 hours in the air. Peolpe are not ready to do that as if yet, and more importantly if I want a destination that I will get the best bang for my buck, I'm heading to Vietnam. 

You are allowed to travel to Vietnam now? 

[Onrai]

On 6/17/2020 at 6:33 PM, Traubert said:

 

I know Americans that have never stopped travelling regularly throughout the last 3 months, no restrictions.

You mean to the grocery store and back home.

[Jingthing]

11 minutes ago, andy said:

For me the whole idea of creating a travel "bubble" means those who are established in that bubble should be included in the travel agreements, even if they hold a passport from outside the bubble.  Some might argue what "established" means, but if you are an expat with some sort of non-tourist visa you should qualify.  It's not really a travel bubble if you have to worry about being allowed to travel within the bubble just because of your passport.

I've seen this discussed on news sources and sorry I don't have any links but the gist of what I've read is that passport based is more likely because there is a concern that people would scam and leapfrog otherwise. What you're suggesting is more complicated and would require buy in from both countries in changing the status of the non passport people.. 

 

And really why would they bother for a small number of exceptions also considering the bubble world will only likely exist for 2 or 3 years max anyway? 

Edited June 20, 2020 by Jingthing

[onekoolguy]

4 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I believe the US is more disliked now then any time in recent history.

Probably hated by many.

I do not see anyone stuck there now coming back to Thailand before the end of the year.

 

I think you are watching too much fake news?

[onekoolguy]

21 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well that would be a sickness bubble based on both countries current situations. But you're right it would be funny wall-wise. But practically both countries are already joined at the hip and there are millions of Americans living in Mexico. 

Not to mention more millions of Mexicans living in the USA

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, onekoolguy said:

Not to mention more millions of Mexicans living in the USA

Everyone knows that part. Most Americans don't realize how many Americans there are in Mexico. 

[SiSePuede419]

Donald John* Trump.

 

*1[probably short for johnny, johnny house privy] : TOILET 2: a prostitute's client

[Monomial]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

The virus is real. 

It is not fake. 

It is not a plandemic. 

It is pandemic. 

Yes all countries have paid an economic price for public health measures. 

But at least Thailand appears to have actually succeeded in controlling the virus. 

So they got a real return for the cost. 

The virus is apolitical.

 

 

The virus is absolutely real. Calling it a hoax is just foolish.

 

On the other hand, the belief that it can be contained or that it merits the kind of prevention measures we have assigned to it is very much open to debate.   The action taken against this virus is wholly political.

 

Herd immunity is the only thing that we can all say with 100% certainty will work. There is no guarantee that economic evisceration and upheaval we have wrought by these global lockdowns will ultimately be of any value. They were only supposed to spread the curve. Lowering the R value below 1 was never the objective. And it was very inappropriate for the global leaders to shift the goalposts like this without consulting the rest of us as to what our values were and what we wanted.

 

The fact that you agree with those in charge does not make you right. And the fact that many of us disagree with those in charge does not make the virus itself a hoax.

 

This pandemic will be a rich source of sociology PhD's for decades into the future.

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, Monomial said:

 

The virus is absolutely real. Calling it a hoax is just foolish.

 

On the other hand, the belief that it can be contained or that it merits the kind of prevention measures we have assigned to it is very much open to debate.   The action taken against this virus is wholly political.

 

Herd immunity is the only thing that we can all say with 100% certainty will work. There is no guarantee that economic evisceration and upheaval we have wrought by these global lockdowns will ultimately be of any value. They were only supposed to spread the curve. Lowering the R value below 1 was never the objective. And it was very inappropriate for the global leaders to shift the goalposts like this without consulting the rest of us as to what our values were and what we wanted.

 

The fact that you agree with those in charge does not make you right. And the fact that many of us disagree with those in charge does not make the virus itself a hoax.

 

This pandemic will be a rich source of sociology PhD's for decades into the future.

Herd immunity huh?
There have been recent studies indicating that the majority of those that are infected that do have milder cases actually have very limited immunity afterword. So your theory about that being the only answer is extremely questionable!

[Jingthing]

American exceptionalism in action. 

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/06/20/william-schaffner-us-coronavirus-trending-other-countries-lemon-intv-ctn-vpx.cnn

 

 

Doctor believes this is why cases are trending up in US, but down elsewhere

Edited June 20, 2020 by Jingthing

[Tounge Thaied]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The virus is real. 

It is not fake. 

It is not a plandemic. 

It is pandemic. 

Yes all countries have paid an economic price for public health measures. 

But at least Thailand appears to have actually succeeded in controlling the virus. 

So they got a real return for the cost. 

The virus is apolitical.

 

Yes the virus is real, no its not fake. But...

You're the typical statist, duped sheeple. The U.S. has been diagnosing covid deaths erroneously. Under this Emergency declared pandemic, doctors have been told to put a R/O diagnosis of covid when a covid test is not available and they presented with covid like, flu like symptoms. In fact, hospitals have been finacially incentivized to diagnose covid. And... just because an RT-PCR test indicates covid positive for genetic material does not mean the person has active covid disease and is therefore sick. A positive test only amplifies for genetic material of NCOVID19, it does not mean the patient is being affected. The numbers of infected and dead are over inflated in the U.S. Thailand wisely, has not instructed doctors to mark R/O covid on every sniffle that walks into the emergency room or clinic. And they are not over testing everyone. So the numbers remain low in Thailand. Take a look around, people are not dying in the clinics and hospitals. And you cannot point to the lockdowns as the answer, because Thailand was one of the first countries for up to two months that got Chinese tourists, many form Wuhan, and the numbers still remained low, all before any lockdowns. This is the reason Thailand's numbers are low. Thailand is not being hyperbolic about its response. 

Edited June 20, 2020 by Tounge Thaied