U.S. to force out foreign students taking classes fully online

[mtls2005]

Guessing these students took their own SATs?

 

What a bunch of idiots.

 

The wealthier of these students' families purchase real estate, so can probably get an EB5 or E2?

 

I'm guessing the "real estate" folks in the trump administration probably won't close that loophole?

 

 

[Pravda]

Thank you very much.

 

I was reading how rich in Hong Kong are selling their property and skipping US altogether instead opting for Canada. My shoebox 1 bedroom in Toronto will soon be worth million bux. Again, thanks a lot.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

I had a look through your posting history the other day out of curiosity and you've been hating on the USA well before ole Trump, so spare us all the dramatics and hyperbole. 

It’s one thing to stalk, it’s something entirely different to post an confession of your stalking.

[Mama Noodle]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s one thing to stalk, it’s something entirely different to post an confession of your stalking.

 

Oh Chomper, looking through someones public posting history is not stalking. Its public information provided by the forum for users. 

 

You are what you post my non-friend. You've got some doozies yourself. 

You'll be hammering that report button, wont ya? 

[mrmicbkktxl]

2 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Bit hard to see what the problem is. Taking fully online classes and not doing your 20 hours of on campus work, thereby doing nothing in regards to the institution that is granting you the credentials to stay in the US = they should leave and do it at home. 

 

 

Did you ever hear of time zones?Did you ever hear some people around the world do not have internet access?

[Emdog]

Saw report month or two ago, maybe BBC, stated about 81% of Chinese advanced science students remain in US to live and work. 21% of students at Harvard are foreign.

Besides making more money (possibly) after graduating, I would imagine they appreciate the relative freedoms in USA compared to back home. All those intangibles that are part of uni education; friendships, academic freedom, movement, etc. Those that stay are major contributors to making America great, or at least good. Recall how silicon valley squawked when Trump tried to stop inflow of very bright researchers.

Trump doesn't care about America's future and having best and brightest. He just tosses bones to his base. He won't be around when the true cost of his xenophobia is paid.

[transam]

4 minutes ago, mrmicbkktxl said:

Did you ever hear of time zones?Did you ever hear some people around the world do not have internet access?

Thought the thread was about folk not sitting in a classroom in the USA. ????

[johnpetersen]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Thought the thread was about folk not sitting in a classroom in the USA. ????

If they're not in the usa then they will have to use the internet. And for some thag means late night hours.

[heybruce]

The U.S. used to be a magnet for the best, brightest and most ambitious from around the world.  They helped make the U.S. an economic and technological power.  Trump is shutting that down.

 

Trump's true election platform:  Make America Second Rate! 

 

Putin and Xi love it.

[transam]

1 minute ago, johnpetersen said:

If they're not in the usa then they will have to use the internet. And for some thag means late night hours.

So be it, but foreign folk should sit in a classroom if in the USA, and not work in McD's...???? 

[Sujo]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

So be it, but foreign folk should sit in a classroom if in the USA, and not work in McD's...???? 

They do. But the unis closed so they do it online until they re open. Now trump wants them all out.

 

This will of course mean the cost of US students enrolling will skyrocket.

[johnpetersen]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

So be it, but foreign folk should sit in a classroom if in the USA, and not work in McD's...???? 

You think these people pay big tuition and board fees in order to work at a fast food joint? Really?

[riclag]

3 minutes ago, Emdog said:

Saw report month or two ago, maybe BBC, stated about 81% of Chinese advanced science students remain in US to live and work. 21% of students at Harvard are foreign.

Besides making more money (possibly) after graduating, I would imagine they appreciate the relative freedoms in USA compared to back home. All those intangibles that are part of uni education; friendships, academic freedom, movement, etc. Those that stay are major contributors to making America great, or at least good. Recall how silicon valley squawked when Trump tried to stop inflow of very bright researchers.

Trump doesn't care about America's future and having best and brightest. He just tosses bones to his base. He won't be around when the true cost of his xenophobia is paid.

There are currently 2k  investigations involving the chinese! It has been reported many times that they hold the prestigious  distinction of being my countries number one adversary   .The  Chinese  steal intellectual property from America  .They are bad actors and dedicated Marxist!

  In case you haven't noticed this ideology has been rearing its ugliness in my country, lately!

https://www.wionews.com/world/bureau-has-over-2000-active-investigations-linked-to-chinese-government-fbi-308755

[transam]

13 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

You think these people pay big tuition and board fees in order to work at a fast food joint? Really?

In the UK they do.....????

[simple1]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There may be another, or perhaps dual, reason.

 

Trump has tied himself to the lie that the Coronavirus is defeated and is trying to encourage States to reopen schools.

 

Many universities have switched classes to online, students enrolled in face to face tuition now being taught class online.

 

This move would force universities to return to face to face classes or lose students.

 

Oh and it’s a ‘dog whistle’ to his dwindling base into the bargain.

 

I would place my money on Stephen Miller influence on trump.. There are estimates the new policy could impact up to one million foreign students in the USA. As you know Miller is an adherent to extreme right wing interpretation of paleo conservatism and the alt right.

[johnpetersen]

21 minutes ago, riclag said:

There are currently 2k  investigations involving the chinese! It has been reported many times that they hold the prestigious  distinction of being my countries number one adversary   .The  Chinese  steal intellectual property from America  .They are bad actors and dedicated Marxist!

  In case you haven't noticed this ideology has been rearing its ugliness in my country, lately!

https://www.wionews.com/world/bureau-has-over-2000-active-investigations-linked-to-chinese-government-fbi-308755

The Chinese govt. is the adversary. Not Chinese people in general. But thanks for the display of bigotry. Very revealing.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

Why would the trump admin refund anything? Its the universities that are making the rules and doing it outside of the criteria that allows foreign students to stay. IF anyone has a problem, take it up with the Uni they were paying into. 

 

 

I had a look through your posting history the other day out of curiosity and you've been hating on the USA well before ole Trump, so spare us all the dramatics and hyperbole. 

trump admin is refusing to demonstrate any flexibility regarding international students due to change of circumstance forced by Covid. Covid response is owned by the trump administration, at least it should do and not to penalise the victims of circumstance, especially when they are not a burden to the US economy. You don't agree - so be it.

 

Show my where I have expressed hatred towards the US. FYI criticism is not hatred, a matter which trump and his supporters clearly don't comprehend. I have expressed dissatisfaction for some US policies, especially under the trump administration which nears on daily counter productive policy announcements, but not 'hate'. Must admit I thoroughly dislike trump for the damage he is doing to both US domestic and international institutions and the Rule of Law, including his enablers. 

Edited July 8, 2020 by simple1

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

16 hours ago, Tug said:

That’s our Donald!more feckless racism division turmoil diversion absolutely the worst president ever sorry trump supporters he is what he is enough come on November!

 

That, and/or, a heartless, backhanded move on the part of the Trump Admin to force/induce schools to reopen with in-person classes in the fall, even though the public health situation doesn't warrant that and many schools have already decided against it.  I have learned to never underestimate the pathetic underhandedness of Trump and his ilk.

 

[mrmicbkktxl]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Thought the thread was about folk not sitting in a classroom in the USA. ????

Well if it is 10AM in SFO it would be midnight in BKK,not sure if midnight is a good time to study,and if Somchai lives in in a tiny village in Esaan without internet then studying wouldn't be possible

[wwest5829]

4 hours ago, DoctorG said:

The principal of course is that if you are doing your studies fully online then you can do it in your own country. I do not think it will affect many students and it is not a move that I would agree with.

Except some countries block the ideas being taught ... 

[earlinclaifornia]

1 hour ago, johnpetersen said:

The Chinese govt. is the adversary. Not Chinese people in general. But thanks for the display of bigotry. Very revealing.

We can all count on him!

[mlmcleod]

I guess this is the final nail for those who believe that Trump is not racist!  He has constantly harassed immigrants and is a blatant xenophobe!  Of course, this eventually will result in a quid pro quo which will lead to the constant harassment of ex-pats.  I guess he will never learn that there are consequences for American citizens with every act he takes against foreigners.

 

Vote in November!

[wwest5829]

As a retired American educator of 41 years experience and retired Executive Director of the Owensboro, KY Sister Cities and Regions program I wholeheartedly ... condemn this xenophobic enforcing action by this incompetent administration. Here, yet again, we see wrongheaded American legal action being taken to cut the USA off from the rest of humanity. Sad that it used to be the USA was a beacon of excellent higher education for some of the world’s most brilliant, talented international youth to seek. In addition to the liberal academic study, there is the fact that American students were brought into contact with those from various nations and cultures. Conversely, those international students were availed the opportunity to learn about the American culture. At the current time, I cannot totally disagree that international students might be better off going elsewhere, what with the disaffection evident in the US and the spread of COVID-19. This action will be but another “cost” of this incompetent administration. I understand that my study in seven countries and introductory study of six languages ma influence my outlook.

[rudi49jr]

4 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Kim Jong Un studied in Switzerland and is a tyrannical murderer who didn't change at all. 

The Donald studied in the USA and is now best buds with Kim and wants to be just like him. There are always exceptions to the rule, you know.

[johnpetersen]

4 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

Kim Jong Un studied in Switzerland and is a tyrannical murderer who didn't change at all. 

Seems like you got your degree from the statistics dept. at Trump University.

[Sujo]

Not only do they have to leave but they have to pay full tuition fees to study online.

 

Pure evil.

[car720]

6 hours ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

No problem at all. If the UK, Oz, or little America (Canada) wants to allow students to be granted long term visas for taking 100% online classwork with zero physical institution presence then go for it.

Don't lose sight of the fact that it is the universities themselves that are promoting the wholly online courses.  They make a boatload without having to employ staff.

[johnpetersen]

21 minutes ago, car720 said:

Don't lose sight of the fact that it is the universities themselves that are promoting the wholly online courses.  They make a boatload without having to employ staff.

The professors will still be teaching.

[car720]

28 minutes ago, johnpetersen said:

The professors will still be teaching.

I think one online class could hold up to a thousand students.  How many students in one professor's class.

[johnpetersen]

4 minutes ago, car720 said:

I think one online class could hold up to a thousand students.  How many students in one professor's class.

That may be true for huge lecture classes. But smaller classes are interactive. These are not cheap canned internet courses.

Edited July 8, 2020 by johnpetersen