Global coronavirus deaths exceed 700,000, one person dies every 15 seconds on average

[IAMHERE]

Glad those statisticians in charge weren't in charge back during the black death; pretty sure 123% of all humans died during the black death.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/6/2020 at 11:50 AM, steven100 said:

the sensible approach is wear a mask,  distance from others and wash hands when you get home or anywhere you can.   

 

 

 

To be sure, wear an NBC suit at all times ( even at home ) and live alone.

 

Seriously, if you are not wearing goggles or an eye shield, wearing a mask does nothing to protect you.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/6/2020 at 12:27 PM, rabas said:

N95 masks are guaranteed by the manufacture under law to stop almost all SARS2 virus particles entering your airways  greatly reducing risk of infection when exposed.

 

No good enough? Buy an N100 mask.

Strange how so many are so exercised at what OTHER people do, while the means to protect themselves are available.

Seems that if they believe that it's OK to do something EVERYONE else has to do it too, or perhaps they want everyone else to be as miserable as they are.

If our ancestors has behaved like this they'd never have left the cave for fear of the saber tooth tiger eating them.

[johnnybangkok]

17 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

Nice argument. I suppose people dying on roads just are not quite as important, huh? Supposedly so, according to you. That must be your stance, whether you know it or not. 

 

The reason these "false equivalencies" need to be repeated, is you all do not seem to understand the first, or second, or third.... time you hear them. The writing is on the wall, Sweden did nothing and has pulled out and recovered from this as fast as anyone. In other words, this seems to need repeating, Sweden did nothing... they did not close their roads or their economy. And, they are recovered. You see how easy that is? 

The reason this is a false equivalent is pretty obvious; we have safety standards regarding road usage (speed limits, seat belts, no alcohol) and no one complains because it is seen as a way to mitigate the horrendous loss of life we still see. However, when we talk about proven methods regarding mitigating loss of life for C19 (lockdows, face-masks, testing, isolating etc), for some reason these are to be ignored for the sake of the economy. 

And Sweden has not 'pulled out and recovered'. They have one of the largest deaths per population, coming in at 6th on the list https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/, so hardly a beacon for all to emulate.

I have said this many, many times on this forum but will reiterate it once again for those that want to listen. The way to handle this and similar pandemics have been in place for quite some time.

Taiwan (458 cases, 7 deaths) and South Korea (14,000 cases, 258 deaths), acted early and decisively, quickly putting in travel restrictions followed by screenings, identifying, tracing and strict quarantining. They never waited around for a non-existant herd immunity to emerge (Swedens method and one that is only reasonably plausible once a vacine has been found) and admirably, didn't ruin their economies as they didn't lock down. 

If you are looking for the correct way to handle this pandemic, look no further than Taiwan and S. Korea. These are the beacons that should be emulated.

 

 

[utalkin2me]

On 8/7/2020 at 9:00 AM, johnnybangkok said:

The reason this is a false equivalent is pretty obvious; we have safety standards regarding road usage (speed limits, seat belts, no alcohol) and no one complains because it is seen as a way to mitigate the horrendous loss of life we still see. However, when we talk about proven methods regarding mitigating loss of life for C19 (lockdows, face-masks, testing, isolating etc), for some reason these are to be ignored for the sake of the economy. 

And Sweden has not 'pulled out and recovered'. They have one of the largest deaths per population, coming in at 6th on the list https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/, so hardly a beacon for all to emulate.

I have said this many, many times on this forum but will reiterate it once again for those that want to listen. The way to handle this and similar pandemics have been in place for quite some time.

Taiwan (458 cases, 7 deaths) and South Korea (14,000 cases, 258 deaths), acted early and decisively, quickly putting in travel restrictions followed by screenings, identifying, tracing and strict quarantining. They never waited around for a non-existant herd immunity to emerge (Swedens method and one that is only reasonably plausible once a vacine has been found) and admirably, didn't ruin their economies as they didn't lock down. 

If you are looking for the correct way to handle this pandemic, look no further than Taiwan and S. Korea. These are the beacons that should be emulated.

 

 

You are dead wrong on every count. Good record, that is tough to do.

 

Sweden has 0-1 deaths per day. 

 

Lockdowns cause more loss of life in ONE MONTH than the virus has caused in its entirety. Every month about 700,000 people die because of lockdowns. It is absolute insanity and people who think like you are making it all possible. https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/499394-the-covid-19-shutdown-will-cost-americans-millions-of-years-of-life

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, utalkin2me said:

Lockdowns cause more loss of life in ONE MONTH than the virus has caused in its entirety. Every month about 700,000 people die because of lockdowns. It is absolute insanity and people who think like you are making it all possible. https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/499394-the-covid-19-shutdown-will-cost-americans-millions-of-years-of-life

Exactly so why didn't Trump imposed strict lockdown early and lead the country to contain the pandemic. He would have flattened the curve like in countries that imposed strict policies and US wouldn't have to prolong the lockdown and caused more loss of life whether directly or indirectly. Regretfully that he still has no plan in policies and behavior to contain the virus and therefore risk pain and suffering for a longer period.   

[utalkin2me]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Exactly so why didn't Trump imposed strict lockdown early and lead the country to contain the pandemic. He would have flattened the curve like in countries that imposed strict policies and US wouldn't have to prolong the lockdown and caused more loss of life whether directly or indirectly. Regretfully that he still has no plan in policies and behavior to contain the virus and therefore risk pain and suffering for a longer period.   

Well Trump is ineffective. Even his supporters would probably admit that. 

 

I meant to say "700,000 years lost" each month in that previous post. 

 

That is a very interesting article. Everyone should read it. The effects of lockdowns from children's mental development to them being abused more at home, it is just absolutely abominable we have never considered the effect of lockdowns. All we have considered is the number of deaths from covid. It is unbelievable. Our response to covid makes about as much sense as it would to solve world hunger by taking away half the world's food and giving it to the other. It makes no sense whatsoever. 

[Rimmer]

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[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

Well Trump is ineffective. Even his supporters would probably admit that. 

 

I meant to say "700,000 years lost" each month in that previous post. 

 

That is a very interesting article. Everyone should read it. The effects of lockdowns from children's mental development to them being abused more at home, it is just absolutely abominable we have never considered the effect of lockdowns. All we have considered is the number of deaths from covid. It is unbelievable. Our response to covid makes about as much sense as it would to solve world hunger by taking away half the world's food and giving it to the other. It makes no sense whatsoever. 

Well at least you corrected your 700,000 deaths per month but you can't correct your ridiculous statement of 'Lockdowns cause more loss of life in ONE MONTH than the virus has caused in its entirety'. 

That is blatantly untrue and even your the article you produced only talks about 7-8,000 deaths per month from lockdown which pales into insignificence in comparison to the 120,000 deaths per month from covid (700,000 divided by the 6 months it's been going). 

However,  and more importantly, my previous post DID NOT advocate for the lockdown you are spuriously trying to associate with me as I clearly said the most effective way to have handled this pandemic was to copy the S.Korean and Taiwanese way of quickly putting together travel restrictions followed by screenings, identifying, tracing and strict quarantining thus preventing lockdowns (there's been no lockdowns in either S. Korea or Taiwan). However, the issue with many countries (UK, USA, Italy, France and the rest of Europe) is they still haven't been able to get an effective tracing process in place, meaning they have little or no other option than to lockdown the population. If they had an effective screening process in place, they could quarantine the most at risk categories (older people and those with underlying health conditions) whilst letting the younger generation get on with life, knowling that in most cases they will only demonstrate mild syptoms and in more serious cases, they could be quickly hospitalised for effective treatment. You cannot rely on herd immunity as without an effective vacine it is VERY elusive, with even Sweden struggling at only 6% of the population attaining anytibodies against the target of 60-70% required https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-hopes-fade-for-swedens-herd-immunity-experiment-2020-6. 

All in all your post is just ridiculous. By not instigating lockdown, most of these countries would have seen a much higher rate of death, predicted at 10 times the current rate. In Europe alone it is estimated it would have been some 3 milion dead (https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52968523). Extrapolate that out worldwide and you could be talking about 7 million dead without lockdown. That's a big number by anyones estimate so before you start comparing the economic loss through C19, perhaps you could spare a thought for the millions lockdown saved and then try and tell me the economy was more important than 7 million lives.  

It isn't and you should know better.  

[tifino]

On 8/6/2020 at 9:18 AM, steven100 said:

ah but the TV barstool experts say there's no need to wear a mask and that COVID19 is a conspiracy ... lol 

the Conspiracy is really those who are gaining from it

[scammed]

5 hours ago, utalkin2me said:

You are dead wrong on every count. Good record, that is tough to do.

 

Sweden has 0-1 deaths per day. 

 

Lockdowns cause more loss of life in ONE MONTH than the virus has caused in its entirety. Every month about 700,000 people die because of lockdowns. It is absolute insanity and people who think like you are making it all possible. https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/499394-the-covid-19-shutdown-will-cost-americans-millions-of-years-of-life

thanks to you and those that calculated cost of the covid lunacy

[Eric Loh]

34 minutes ago, scammed said:

thanks to you and those that calculated cost of the covid lunacy

Covid cost is relative to how well you manage the viris containment. In US, not so well thus the prolong health and financial costs.