55 minutes ago, tomauasia said:

2 innocent kids who couldn't rape a doll. I'm a hard and smart man and l read people in 2 min.

Yes let your Thai man roam free. 

Yes, its quite easy to tell who the violent people are and to tell which people are not violent .

Easy, like differentiating between a poodle and a Rottweiler 

Poor boys..

How can you live with yourself Nomsodd?

Good to see them taken off death row. They should have never been convicted in the first place. 

21 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Sentenced to death first and then taken off death row ... ?

There were a lot of doubts about them being guilty of that crime ... many think they were scapegoats for the real murderer , may be a member of an influential family on Koh Tao ... their guilt has never been proven 100% .

But . if the real murderer would have been a Thai national , it would have damaged ' Thailand's reputation ' , a ' loss of face ' .

That cannot be allowed of course .

Anyway it will never be proven beyond doubt who killed the british couple on Sairee beach ...

 

 

Proven beyond doubt in Thailand means b ugger-all, it depends on who's got the money. 

23 hours ago, steven100 said:

a travesty of justice ... scapegoats comes to mind.

Starting to become a bit repetitive now.

No evidence to suggest they were innocent only the bitter minds of Expats who have been wronged in the past by a corrupt police force.

Admittedly the investigation was not handled correctly but that does not make them innocent

 

 

Just imagine if you were on the Island and you had witnessed the murder and also had proof (pictures etc.,) would you dare to make a police report?

Would it be naif to think that the police will protect the witness?

I believe if you know the A to Z of how police do their job you will want to stay clear even if they say you will be protected as a witness.

There are quite a few other countries having the same problem, i.e. protection of key witness in murder cases.

23 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

They were told that if they comply with the story, they would get a lenient sentence 

"They were told." No one told them, right?
Come on, these two men had a sterling defence team, including a strong PR team sending out "news" and propaganda twice a day or more.

Your theory means that a team of lawyers, the Andy Hall gang, the entire foreign and local media and tens of thousands of onlookers including the men's families were totally unaware of any such offer AND refused to tell anyone about it after the trial and the death sentences.
You have a very exclusive, front-page story there Mr CorpusChristie. Too bad you have zero evidence, zero backup of your claim. 

It was a very sketchy conviction, as this discussion proves, that's about all we can say with any certainty. Reminds me of a scene in Dr. Zhivago:

 

Zhivago: "It seems you've burnt the wrong village." Pasha: "They always say that, and what does it matter? A village betrays us, a village is burned. The point is made." Zhivago: "Your point - their village."

 

Someone had to get burnt, someone burned.

3 hours ago, Dene16 said:

Starting to become a bit repetitive now.

No evidence to suggest they were innocent only the bitter minds of Expats who have been wronged in the past by a corrupt police force.

Admittedly the investigation was not handled correctly but that does not make them innocent

 

 

As do posts like yours. The "trial" wasn't mis-handled, it was perfectly orchestrated to protect those responsible. 

44 minutes ago, wandasloan said:

"They were told." No one told them, right?
Come on, these two men had a sterling defence team, including a strong PR team sending out "news" and propaganda twice a day or more.

Your theory means that a team of lawyers, the Andy Hall gang, the entire foreign and local media and tens of thousands of onlookers including the men's families were totally unaware of any such offer AND refused to tell anyone about it after the trial and the death sentences.
You have a very exclusive, front-page story there Mr CorpusChristie. Too bad you have zero evidence, zero backup of your claim. 

If you had followed the case, you would have been aware of this 

12 hours ago, Sujo said:

Well the thais certainly didnt have competent forensics or police investigation.

No need as they were guilty "as no Thai would do anything like this" 

3 hours ago, Dene16 said:

Starting to become a bit repetitive now.

No evidence to suggest they were innocent only the bitter minds of Expats who have been wronged in the past by a corrupt police force.

Admittedly the investigation was not handled correctly but that does not make them innocent

 

 

Yes, repetitive because nearly everyone has the same opinion .

There is a huge amount of evidence to suggest that other persons are guilty of this crime

No, we are not "bitter" just because we have "been wronged by a corrupt police force"

No, the investigation handled badly doesnt make them innocents , its the fact that ***** & ***** did the murders and NOT the Burmese 2 that makes them innocent 

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by CorpusChristie

11 hours ago, LeoCesar said:

Poor boys..

How can you live with yourself Nomsodd?

He couldn't care less. 

16 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Do you think that a phone being in the location of a murder is enough evidence to convict someone of murder , 

  Considering that its very small island and everyone lives in the same small area .

No other evidence , no sightings, DNA or anything else

What DNA they supposedly had was analysed by the incompetent BIB, mis-handled, all used up etc., in other words useless information to assist the 2 Burmese guys but very helpful for "you know who".

2 minutes ago, Artisi said:

What DNA they supposedly had was analysed by the incompetent BIB, mis-handled, all used up etc., in other words useless information to assist the 2 Burmese guys but very helpful for "you know who".

And its quite plausible that the DNA gave the results they didnt want , so, they destroyed the rest of the DNA and falsified the "wrong" results (they had)

13 hours ago, GoodieAfterDark said:

Any explanation to why those people were killed? Did they do anything stupid? Just curious. I know that foreigners never do anything stupid in Thailand.

Disgusting comment.

8 minutes ago, Artisi said:

What DNA they supposedly had was analysed by the incompetent BIB, mis-handled, all used up etc., in other words useless information to assist the 2 Burmese guys but very helpful for "you know who".

I had several problems wrapping my head around the DNA sample stuff at the time.

 

Non-accredited laboratory (some hurried accreditation was subsequently produced to show they complied with the ISO standard for testing laboratories).

Results in record time which apparently was impossible.

No DNA evidence left to confirm the first results which was a nonsense.

DNA report written on a crumpled bit of paper with no document numbers raised my suspicions (again, see my first point about accredited laboratories and doing things properly).

 

There were other issues but that was enough for me to know either it was deliberate or incompetent and quite possibly both, as is normal here.

 

11 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

And its quite plausible that the DNA gave the results they didnt want , so, they destroyed the rest of the DNA and falsified the "wrong" results (they had)

Quite possibly this.

29 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

There is a huge amount of evidence to suggest that other persons are guilty of this crime

Rubbish. You should be a writer of fairy tales

The actions of the 2 suspects were not the actions of innocent men

One of the suspects tried to flee the island before being arrested

The one man that could apparently help to prove their innocence chose to flee and not return (some will say ’would you’)

Both suspects confessed to the crime knowing that if they did they would not receive the death penalty

Only after consultation with lawyers after the event informing them that regardless of the confession they would still receive the death penalty did they change their plea

I ask you, would you confess to murder if you had not committed it? . knowing that you are going to spend the next 20 years in a Thai prison. Tortured or not

 

 

10 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

Rubbish. You should be a writer of fairy tales

The actions of the 2 suspects were not the actions of innocent men

One of the suspects tried to flee the island before being arrested

The one man that could apparently help to prove their innocence chose to flee and not return (some will say ’would you’)

Both suspects confessed to the crime knowing that if they did they would not receive the death penalty

Only after consultation with lawyers after the event informing them that regardless of the confession they would still receive the death penalty did they change their plea

I ask you, would you confess to murder if you had not committed it? . knowing that you are going to spend the next 20 years in a Thai prison. Tortured or not

 

 

The Burmese guy who tried to flee the Island was on his way to Bangkok following the real murderer .

Look at the whole Court case, rather than just cherry picking a few possibilities .

Do you have any connection with Koa Tao and the murderers ? 

12 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

The Burmese guy who tried to flee the Island was on his way to Bangkok following the real murderer

I'm sorry but if you believe that you are very naive.

The problem was that the defence story/ stories had more holes in it than a colander

8 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

I'm sorry but if you believe that you are very naive.

The problem was that the defence story/ stories had more holes in it than a colander

No, there was no problem with the actual trial .

The reason for the trial was to find the Burmese 2 guilty , the trial wasnt about finding out who the actual murderers were , it was about proving to the World that "Thais would never do such a thing" and that it was foreigners who committed the murders , it wasnt about actually finding out who did it 

7 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

The reason for the trial was to find the Burmese 2 guilty , the trial wasnt about finding out who the actual murderers were , it was about proving to the World that "Thais would never do such a thing"

Some people have stated ‘where is the evidence’ but the fact is the defence offered zero evidence to exonerate them, please do not say innocent until proven guilty. In fact there were many irregularities as to why the defence did not question or pursue many avenues.

It can only be assumed it was because there were no creditable avenues to follow

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by Dene16
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11 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

Some people have stated ‘where is the evidence’ but the fact is the defence offered zero evidence to exonerate them, please do not say innocent until proven guilty. In fact there were many irregularities as to why the defence did not question or pursue many avenues.

It can only be assumed it was because there were no creditable avenues to follow

Do you have any connection to Koa Tao or any affiliation with the murderers ?

20 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Do you mean the Thai government or police? Most Thais have never even heard of these two. 

Yeah! Right!

"Most Thais" are not you, your familly and the 7eleven-staff in your nearest village!

19 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

No, there was no problem with the actual trial .

The reason for the trial was to find the Burmese 2 guilty , the trial wasnt about finding out who the actual murderers were , it was about proving to the World that "Thais would never do such a thing" and that it was foreigners who committed the murders , it wasnt about actually finding out who did it 

"Thais would never do such a thing", clearly announced by the coup leader at about the same time the police guy in charge was rapidly removed from the case as he was about to nail the real murderer. 

Those with the slightest amount of grey matter can blatantly see what was happening and why. 

 

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Do you have any connection to Koa Tao or any affiliation with the murderers ?

It just amazes me how naive and short sighted people can be, they only see what they want to see

The only defence offered in the trial, was that it was a forced confession. Literally nothing else.

Don't you find that strange?

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

It just amazes me how naive and short sighted people can be, they only see what they want to see

The only defence offered in the trial, was that it was a forced confession. Literally nothing else.

Don't you find that strange?

 

 

 

Difficult to prove you did not do something, but there was also the lack of their DNA on the murder weapon.

5 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

It just amazes me how naive and short sighted people can be, they only see what they want to see

The only defence offered in the trial, was that it was a forced confession. Literally nothing else.

Don't you find that strange?

 

 

 

Interesting that you wont answer my straight forward question .

Reason I ask , is that the only people who seem to think the Burmese 2 are guilty are those same people who have vested business interests in the island and want tourists to return and they have no concern about who actually did the murders

40 minutes ago, Dene16 said:

Some people have stated ‘where is the evidence’ but the fact is the defence offered zero evidence to exonerate them, please do not say innocent until proven guilty. In fact there were many irregularities as to why the defence did not question or pursue many avenues.

It can only be assumed it was because there were no creditable avenues to follow

Most "irregularities" were not  connected to the B2!

Starting with the uncle of the original suspect , freely roaming the crime- scene and ending with the DNA "being used up"!

By the way: the 2 times in my time in Thailand, that I had an interaction with the police, they were very helpful, so I have no PERSONAL grudge with them!

Still, they are abunch of the most inept and corrupt people in the land!

Edited August 16, 20205 yr by The Barmbeker

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Interesting that you wont answer my straight forward question .

I thought it was more of a rhetorical question then a genuine one. So in answer to your question no.