One thing more, when you see all poticians as liers, it quite deleted, right? Many politicians try to do a difference, try to make a better world, and do their best, but those will never be heard, since it is all about gold, myrrh and fairytales people do care about, nothing else, and it is brainwashed in to most people around the world, and that will never change before we get decent education systems, get people lifted out of poverty. 

 

We are not interested in that happening. Not interested at all, since it takes taxes from people To make it more fair for everyone. 

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't care if he bullies those that deserve it, I don't care if he lies ( all politicians, IMO, lie ), I don't care that YOU think he is clueless. What I care about is someone that stands up to China, acts against Iran, puts conservatives on SCOTUS, tries to stop illegal immigration, got rid of the Trans Pacific treaty, improves the economy and builds a more powerful military. Those are things that affect me, and I have no faith that Biden will do any of that.

Why would this be a concern for you? Unless you are claiming to be a Yank this morning, cool.

 

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In America? It's never been derogatory in any English speaking country I've been in, but I've fortunately never been to the USA except in transit.

Porky Pies again, yeah it happens. 

38 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. To the best of my recollection I said it was "bribing us with other people's money". IMO it was only done to gain votes, and not because it was the right thing to do. Some of the give aways are probably of benefit to some.

ALL politicians spend other people's money, and they live off other people's money. That's what governments do.

I can overlook Sanders wanting to spend more of other people's money if he stuck it to Wall Street, so I supported him over Trump who was never going to put bankers in jail. When they stopped Bernie, I could not support Biden instead. If Biden came out and said he'd put every banker responsible for 2007 in jail he'd have my support, regardless of anything else.

So supported Trump who has further enriched wall street and slashed regulations that were passed by the democrats and that wall streeters bitterly objected to. Once again, you're just not credible.

59 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't care if he bullies those that deserve it, I don't care if he lies ( all politicians, IMO, lie ), I don't care that YOU think he is clueless. What I care about is someone that stands up to China, acts against Iran, puts conservatives on SCOTUS, tries to stop illegal immigration, got rid of the Trans Pacific treaty, improves the economy and builds a more powerful military. Those are things that affect me, and I have no faith that Biden will do any of that.

 

Perhaps the thing I support him on most, is that he hasn't started any wars and doesn't look like starting any. I also like that he is withdrawing American military from Europe and making the Europeans spend more to protect themselves.

I agree 100% with everything you said.

 

"In my opinion" you forgot the following:

• Not giving billions of dollars to Iran.
• Bringing jobs back to the USA from China and Mexico.
• Lowering taxes, as that stimulates the economy, creating spending and more jobs
• More difficult to live on welfare (food stamps). In other words getting people off welfare.
• NATO participants are more financially accountable (you kind of covered this)
• He stopped Hillary Clinton from World Globalization 

 

And to repeat myself and many Trump supporters.  We don't love him or even like him as a person. However we feel he is less of all the evils out there.  Yes, he is a narcist and yes he lies, they all lie.  Most of Trump's lies are him trying to get on his soap box to lead the crowd like he would at a business convention.  It may work there, but it false short with his opponents, who want to fact check every word he says.

The bottom line, is most of the Trump supporters felt our country was being overrun by illegals. Plus all the tax money being spent or given to other countries was being taken advantage of.  No matter how much was spent, we were still the Evil USA.

 

This does not mean Trump supporters believe in abandoning our Ally's if required help (financial or military).

 

We have billions of dollars going to help the world, yet our veterans could not get decent healthcare, our mental health population has been put on the street, creating a huge and dangerous homeless population in most the large cities.  Plus our infrastructure is in need of a facelift. 

 

"Most" (not all) of Trump's opposition does not believe in any of this.

 

1 hour ago, PoodThaiMaiDai said:

 

 

We have billions of dollars going to help the world, yet our veterans could not get decent healthcare, our mental health population has been put on the street, creating a huge and dangerous homeless population in most the large cities.  Plus our infrastructure is in need of a facelift. 

 

 

 

I aggree on the veteran part, and its a shame world wide how veterans is treated. I think the French legion still do, used to do, take good care of theirs. Cant say for sure it is still a valid system like they used to have. 

 

Anyway, what Trump supporters forget, it is the help you have given under surten rules and surten aggrements, that have given the Us the wealth and markeds you have or sooner used to have. It is the help you gave that made you rich, fat and wealthy in first place. Nothing was given for free, or without hard obligations and tough terms. Easy to forget, right? 

Edited August 20, 20205 yr by Tagged

7 hours ago, Tagged said:

I aggree on the veteran part, and its a shame world wide how veterans is treated. I think the French legion still do, used to do, take good care of theirs. Cant say for sure it is still a valid system like they used to have. 

 

Anyway, what Trump supporters forget, it is the help you have given under surten rules and surten aggrements, that have given the Us the wealth and markeds you have or sooner used to have. It is the help you gave that made you rich, fat and wealthy in first place. Nothing was given for free, or without hard obligations and tough terms. Easy to forget, right? 

Very good point.  Very valid.

 

But it has gone both ways over the last 245 years ago.

 

That is why we are allies.  

 

Without France the USA would be America and would be similar to Canada.

 

Without the USA and England, France (and all of most of Europe) would be Germany and/or Russia.

 

Without the USA and Russia, China and most of Asia would be Japan.

 

Without the USA there would be no South Korea, it would just be Korea.

 

Most of us who are in our 40's and up remember our history lessons of WWI and WWII and understand the sacrifice our ancestors made.

 

It is a shame the current culture in the USA (unsure of Europe) is ignorant of the history.  

 

Even the history of slaves in the USA and for the most part all of the world. It is shameful and wrong.  But is was what was normal back then.

 

I have no idea, how I should be held accountable something that happened hundreds or thousands of years ago.

 

I feel my only accountability is to help ensure if does not happen again. 

 

However, the educators need to teach history, not shame the countries involved and build animosity. 

 

I think one of the biggest obstacles is the blending of cultures.

 

We have a lot of discussions here about how we (farang) are treated in Thailand. 

 

We kind of expect to have Western options (language, food, technology, housing options).

 

Yet, we do not like the Muslims or the Hispanic (or whatever it is in your homeland) populations coming into our countries trying to change our culture into theirs.

 

I am just thinking out loud.  I know there are many other factors and many other opinions.

 

I actually respect most of everyone's opinions.  

 

I just dont respect yelling, and screaming, without acknowledgment of some things that are being done correctly on all sides.

 

I have yet to see an opponent of Trump say, he does this well, but he sucks at this.  It all finger pointing and negativity.   

Edited August 20, 20205 yr by PoodThaiMaiDai

The US didnt give billions to iran.

Looking forward to US withdrawing the 7th fleet from the Asia Pacific Rim to save billions for their veterans. 

57 minutes ago, PoodThaiMaiDai said:

I have yet to see an opponent of Trump say, he does this well, but he sucks at this.  It all finger pointing and negativity.   

45 is an evil man. He has no redeeming features. He lies deeper than any previous president - yes, they all stretch the truth but he openly lies, he cheats (EVEN AT GOLF!), he is actively attempting to destroy this election, he DID collude with Russia in 2016 (recently proven by a task force of BOTH Dems and Reps) and there is no way you could EVER convince me he isn't doing so right now when his own appointed head of DHS is telling us they ARE . . . 45 is a horrible man.

 

Say what you will about Barack Obama, he knows how to play the game. No former president in our lifetime has ever openly spoken like he did in his convention speech. ALL living former presidents have gone on the record saying 45 has to be removed. Unprecedented and necessary due to 45's intentional acts.

 

You can't even try to say "but the economy!" If 45 had paid attention to the MULTIPLE warnings (this is not disputed) and listened to his experts, he could have put in place the necessary safeguards that all relatively successful countries did and save tens of thousands of lives. His despicable ignorance has killed US citizens, ruined the health of countless others, and the consequences of this deliberate ignorance has cost the US economy dearly.

 

There is nothing good to say about 45 unless you are a very rich donor, and even those folks get thrown under the bus if they no longer serve his purposes.

9 hours ago, PoodThaiMaiDai said:

We have billions of dollars going to help the world,

It is true, as the US have the largest economy, they are the largest donor. However, calculated as a % of Gross National Income or per capita, the US are far behind European countries, I.e. 0.18% of GNI for the US,  to compare with 0.70% for UK or 0.67% for Germany.

https://www.wristband.com/content/which-countries-provide-receive-most-foreign-aid/

4 minutes ago, candide said:

It is true, as the US have the largest economy, they are the largest donor. However, calculated as a % of Gross National Income or per capita, the US are far behind European countries, I.e. 0.18% of GNI for the US,  to compare with 0.70% for UK or 0.67% for Germany.

https://www.wristband.com/content/which-countries-provide-receive-most-foreign-aid/

Thank you for sharing this information.

 

I have never seen it.

 

I will review it more closely and research more so I can be more educated on this subject. 

 

I am not trying to be sarcastic. I am serious.

11 minutes ago, PoodThaiMaiDai said:

Thank you for sharing this information.

 

I have never seen it.

 

I will review it more closely and research more so I can be more educated on this subject. 

 

I am not trying to be sarcastic. I am serious.

You're welcome, it's nice to have opponent debaters who pay attention to facts, for a change.

3 hours ago, PoodThaiMaiDai said:

Very good point.  Very valid.

 

But it has gone both ways over the last 245 years ago.

 

That is why we are allies.  

 

Without France the USA would be America and would be similar to Canada.

 

 

And that would be a bad thing why?

30 minutes ago, rcummings said:

And that would be a bad thing why?

It could have been like Mexico? 

 

Canada is a great country and great people. 

2 hours ago, PoodThaiMaiDai said:

Thank you for sharing this information.

 

I have never seen it.

 

I will review it more closely and research more so I can be more educated on this subject. 

 

I am not trying to be sarcastic. I am serious.

Don't worry about it. China is not even on there.

6 hours ago, Tagged said:

It could have been like Mexico? 

 

Canada is a great country and great people. 

I agree. I love Canada and its people.

 

What I meant, America and Canada were being ruled by England.

 

America split off to become the USA, where Canada did not at the time and was still under British Rule.

20 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

Why would this be a concern for you? Unless you are claiming to be a Yank this morning, cool.

 

Porky Pies again, yeah it happens. 

Unfortunately, what happens in America affects the entire world, so who becomes president affects us all, whether American or not.

I can't vote for POTUS, but my future is affected by who wins in November. Far as I'm concerned my future got better when Trump more or less stopped the Trans Pacific Partnership, and she would probably have stayed in it.

My worries about Biden, on things that would affect me, are that he would support the man made climate change Paris agreement, and go easy on China and Iran.

7 hours ago, nauseus said:

Don't worry about it. China is not even on there.

I don't see Thailand on it either and they've got plenty of money, if only they can get the 1% to pay a bit more tax.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unfortunately, what happens in America affects the entire world, so who becomes president affects us all, whether American or not.

I can't vote for POTUS, but my future is affected by who wins in November. Far as I'm concerned my future got better when Trump more or less stopped the Trans Pacific Partnership, and she would probably have stayed in it.

 

Because the TPP would have been an even more powerful rival to China with American participation? I'm sure China shares your point of view.

On 8/20/2020 at 7:01 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Sooooooo, that's great, saying thank you to those that have done good works. Elect Biden she says. Lacking in the quotes you gave was a reason to elect Biden. I saw nothing about the future, about hope, about inspiration.

She should have said why Biden would be better than Trump, and I didn't see anything to convince me he would be. Don't forget I'm not a committed Trump supporter, as I supported Bernie over him in 2016 and would have done so again if he were the candidate. At least he had a vision of sticking it to the bankers.

 

 

More of your usual uninformed ranting. Doubt you watched or read the full speech, hence the "I saw nothing" means just that...nothing. And it could be counted on that you'll go on about it, or the bogus claims that the Democratic Party does not have a platform, vision or legislation efforts.

 

As for what "she should have said" - considering you haven't actually watched/read the whole thing, how would you know? And further, how come these admonitions about negativity etc. are never ever leveled at Trump & Co. or even at Trump supporters on here? Why the double standard?

 

Doubt many buy into your I'm-not-a-Trump-supporter routine. Too many posts indicate otherwise. Vision sticking it to the bankers? Guess you missed out on the issue of taxes and the rich, courtesy of Trump.

 

 

 

 

On 8/20/2020 at 7:27 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I don't care if he bullies those that deserve it, I don't care if he lies ( all politicians, IMO, lie ), I don't care that YOU think he is clueless. What I care about is someone that stands up to China, acts against Iran, puts conservatives on SCOTUS, tries to stop illegal immigration, got rid of the Trans Pacific treaty, improves the economy and builds a more powerful military. Those are things that affect me, and I have no faith that Biden will do any of that.

 

Perhaps the thing I support him on most, is that he hasn't started any wars and doesn't look like starting any. I also like that he is withdrawing American military from Europe and making the Europeans spend more to protect themselves.

 

Yeah, because withdrawing US forces and undermining alliances is the best way to make America stronger. Clearly the way forward to deal with the likes of Iran and the PRC. Or rather, not.

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unfortunately, what happens in America affects the entire world, so who becomes president affects us all, whether American or not.

I can't vote for POTUS, but my future is affected by who wins in November. Far as I'm concerned my future got better when Trump more or less stopped the Trans Pacific Partnership, and she would probably have stayed in it.

My worries about Biden, on things that would affect me, are that he would support the man made climate change Paris agreement, and go easy on China and Iran.

NZ signed and ratified TPP-11. Don't know about NZ, but assume alongside Australia, had addressed the items which were solely beneficial to the US prior to trump pulling out. H. Clinton had said she would pull out of TPP if elected, There are numerous observers who say trump handed over advantages to PRC by not signing TPP. 

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Unfortunately, what happens in America affects the entire world, so who becomes president affects us all, whether American or not.

I can't vote for POTUS, but my future is affected by who wins in November. Far as I'm concerned my future got better when Trump more or less stopped the Trans Pacific Partnership, and she would probably have stayed in it.My worries about Biden, on things that would affect

 

Just saw Bidens speach, if he and his team looses this, then America and the world do not deserve anything better! 

 

10 points to biden for his speach toonight. 

25 minutes ago, simple1 said:

NZ signed and ratified TPP-11. Don't know about NZ, but assume alongside Australia, had addressed the items which were solely beneficial to the US prior to trump pulling out. H. Clinton had said she would pull out of TPP if elected, There are numerous observers who say trump handed over advantages to PRC by not signing TPP. 

This is a bit off topic but I must reply. Hillary was one of the original architects of TPP. There were 17 individual facets to TPP, none of them wholesome for the average citizen around the globe. It was designed to allow corporations to be above international law. NOBODY was allowed to have a copy of the only existing document. To view it, you had to go to a room sans any electronic device. For her to claim she would pull out of TPP is, to put it mildly, disingenuous.

6 hours ago, J Town said:

This is a bit off topic but I must reply. Hillary was one of the original architects of TPP. There were 17 individual facets to TPP, none of them wholesome for the average citizen around the globe. It was designed to allow corporations to be above international law. NOBODY was allowed to have a copy of the only existing document. To view it, you had to go to a room sans any electronic device. For her to claim she would pull out of TPP is, to put it mildly, disingenuous.

 

if permitted:

none of them wholesome for the average citizen around the globe. It was designed to allow corporations to be above international law.

 

The bolded item was claimed to have been effectively addressed by Oz government during negotiations. There was some detail in local media at the time quoting politicians and others. I remember US pharmaceuticals and international law enforcement being items

Some people say when they hear a redneck yell "Yee Haw" it scares them ????

 

Most people hear this lady & say it is much more Terrifying  ????

23 hours ago, rcummings said:

Because the TPP would have been an even more powerful rival to China with American participation? I'm sure China shares your point of view.

No.

18 hours ago, simple1 said:

NZ signed and ratified TPP-11. Don't know about NZ, but assume alongside Australia, had addressed the items which were solely beneficial to the US prior to trump pulling out. H. Clinton had said she would pull out of TPP if elected, There are numerous observers who say trump handed over advantages to PRC by not signing TPP. 

If you believe that about NZ I have a bridge for sale. Remember who was NZ PM at the time.

20 hours ago, Morch said:

 

More of your usual uninformed ranting. Doubt you watched or read the full speech, hence the "I saw nothing" means just that...nothing. And it could be counted on that you'll go on about it, or the bogus claims that the Democratic Party does not have a platform, vision or legislation efforts.

 

As for what "she should have said" - considering you haven't actually watched/read the whole thing, how would you know? And further, how come these admonitions about negativity etc. are never ever leveled at Trump & Co. or even at Trump supporters on here? Why the double standard?

 

Doubt many buy into your I'm-not-a-Trump-supporter routine. Too many posts indicate otherwise. Vision sticking it to the bankers? Guess you missed out on the issue of taxes and the rich, courtesy of Trump.

 

 

 

 

I was referring to the quote alone.

However keep up the personal insults and deflection if it makes you feel better.