Exclusive: Trump plans executive order to punish arms trade with Iran - sources

[evadgib]

From HMG speaking as part of the E3 this morning:

 

E3 Foreign Ministers' Statement: 20 September 2020

 

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Statement by the United Kingdom, France and Germany on the JCPoA

 

[dexterm]

European leaders warn US move to reimpose Iran sanctions is legally void

European leaders have warned the US that its claim to have the authority to reimpose sweeping UN-mandated sanctions on Iran has no effect in law, setting up a major legal clash that could lead to Washington imposing sanctions on its European allies.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/20/iran-says-us-move-to-reimpose-snapback-sanctions-is-a-false-claim

 

So the USA prefers sanctions against its US European allies rather than admit that it was wrong to ditch an anti nuclear weapons deal that was actually working.

 

So a potential trade war with European allies in order to undermine the current bogeyman Iran is OK, so long as it protects "American interests" aka the racist supremacist apartheid state of Israel and arms deals to corrupt dictators in the Gulf. Beggars belief.

Bizarre times. Bizarre POTUS.

Edited September 20, 2020 by dexterm

[MajarTheLion]

 

On 9/18/2020 at 3:05 AM, wombat said:

confused asks....The United States abandoned the nuclear deal in May 2018 so how can they trigger a "snap back"?
what finer point am i missing?

Decent question. My guess is that the US can pursue our interests without a deal or agreement with Iran. But there's not information for any claims to be made.

[MajarTheLion]

17 minutes ago, dexterm said:

European leaders warn US move to reimpose Iran sanctions is legally void

European leaders have warned the US that its claim to have the authority to reimpose sweeping UN-mandated sanctions on Iran has no effect in law, setting up a major legal clash that could lead to Washington imposing sanctions on its European allies.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/20/iran-says-us-move-to-reimpose-snapback-sanctions-is-a-false-claim

 

So the USA prefers sanctions against its US European allies rather than admit that it was wrong to ditch an anti nuclear weapons deal that was actually working.
Bizarre times. Bizarre POTUS.

I believe you've made quite a jump there. Some European leaders have said ".... that could lead to Washington imposing sanctions on its European allies". The thing is, that is anonymous speculation by foreigners of what may happen in the future. The problem is, you have attributed as USA's desire. It does not make logical sense. Are there perhaps a few dots you've omitted that can help the readers understand your claim?

Edited September 20, 2020 by MajarTheLion
clarification

[MajarTheLion]

 

On 9/19/2020 at 7:08 AM, cmarshall said:

Looks like the October Surprise is going to be war with Iran once the US starts seizing Iranian ships on the high seas.

Doubtful, given Trump is the only president in the past 40 years to not get us into new wars.

[dexterm]

Wouldn't be surprised at all. Trump is capable of spinning anything in order to win re-election.

[techietraveller84]

And Iran is capable of anything just to keep its leadership in power. Power is a scary thing, especially for those who don't have it, like citizens of Iran.

https://www.ibtimes.sg/iranian-hacker-group-develops-malware-rampant-kitten-bypass-google-two-factor-authentication-android-devices-51713

[shdmn]

Anyone who still supports bunker boy is a disgusting loser and a sucker.  Those are not my words, they are his.

[geriatrickid]

Honestly, I don't think we will see much support from the rest of the world for Trump on this. Ask Canada how its Huawei  fiasco is going. The Chinese are bullying Canada and holding its nationals  hostage all because Canada was legally obliged to respond to a USA arrest and extradition request for the Huawei CFO for her allegedly violating sanctions in respect to Iran. Appreciably the Canadian government has been near useless as it is dependent upon China for vital PPE and pharmaceutical imports during the pandemic, but the Americans have been MIA on this and screwed over Canada. It is a lesson not lost on the rest of the world. no one will stick their neck out for the USA now.

 

Maybe Trump has a legitimate reason to impose his sanctions. I certainly don't know because I haven't seen any evidence. What I do know is that much of Iran's military  equipment is now manufactured in Iran. Components are sourced from other countries under the guise of "civilian use".     It is reported that The 3 largest trading partners of Iran are;  China,- 20%;  United Arab Emirates - 17% and the EU- 16% respectively.  Germany is one of the  more significant EU trading partners. Not surprising since far right groups have received financial support from Iran and the Iran's is the darling of the left of center political groups.  As a reminder, Germany's far right groups have specifically targeted Kurds and of have a holocaust denial fixation, which Iran also promotes.  However, Kurds are one of the main targets and by "coincidence"  Iran wants the Kurds exterminated.  I expect that Trump will need to tread carefully when it comes to his new best friends in the UAE, but that is oil related, so  different  rules apply for them. ???? 

 

On 9/17/2020 at 7:29 PM, tonray said:

Let's see if he sanctions Putin, who is Iran's primary supplier

No they are not. Putin is no friend of Iran. Don't forget that the Iranians have been linked to Islamic terror groups in some of the outlying muslim dominated republics in the former USSR.

 

On 9/17/2020 at 10:18 PM, Matzzon said:

Just one question. This man has been irritating people long time enough. What in the world is it that US have that the rest of the world can not be without?
It´s time to put sanctions against this little country, with it´s about 350 million people. Nothing, compared to the rest of the world.

LOL.  Without the US market, the EU economy would collapse. Who would replace the EU's most important export market?

The USA is not the center of the universe, but it is an important part of a  healthy and prosperous planet earth. You should have a look at where much of the world's funds for social progress are sourced. Hint: It's not Australia, Germany or hina.

A large part of the scientific headway in the  campaign for medical treatment and a vaccine against Covid19 is linked to the USA. Without the USA, we would  not be as advanced as we are now.

 

On 9/18/2020 at 5:31 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

How about arms trade with Saudi Arabia? Or how about all the military equipment which is worth billions of dollars which the USA gives to Israel for free? Bloody double standards. 

Ahh yes, couldn't resist throwing Israel or the KSA into this. If and when these two countries present a clear and imminent threat, you can  come back to this point.  The USA does not give Israel billions of dollars of military equipment for "free". Military aid or financing of purchases comes with conditions and a lot of string attached.  You scream bloody double standard, yet you don't mention the fact that the EU does similar with its sale of military  arms to Egypt.Not a word from you about the EU  sale of  tens of billions of Euros worth of subsidized military arms to India, KSA, or the UAE.

 

 

[candide]

On 9/18/2020 at 1:05 AM, webfact said:

Most foreign companies do not wish to risk being excluded from the vast U.S. market in order to trade with smaller countries such as Iran.

Lol!

Which countries are likely to sell arms to Iran? We already know the answer. Are these countries likely to sell arms to the US? We also know the answer.

[Matzzon]

3 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

LOL.  Without the US market, the EU economy would collapse. Who would replace the EU's most important export market?

The USA is not the center of the universe, but it is an important part of a  healthy and prosperous planet earth. You should have a look at where much of the world's funds for social progress are sourced. Hint: It's not Australia, Germany or hina.

A large part of the scientific headway in the  campaign for medical treatment and a vaccine against Covid19 is linked to the USA. Without the USA, we would  not be as advanced as we are now.

Yeas, you are right. But only because they have always been there and know exactly that they are putting themselves in a very good position of power. What if the world re-think and take that power away from them? Still only 350 million people, as you say now the center of the world. They are just in the position they are, because the rest of the world has been fools for too long time and allowed that to happen.

[MajarTheLion]

12 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Yeas, you are right. But only because they have always been there and know exactly that they are putting themselves in a very good position of power. What if the world re-think and take that power away from them? Still only 350 million people, as you say now the center of the world. They are just in the position they are, because the rest of the world has been fools for too long time and allowed that to happen.

I agree with your statement that much of the rest of the world have been fools.

Edited September 20, 2020 by MajarTheLion

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, MajarTheLion said:

I agree with your statement that much of the rest of the world have been fools.

Good for you! Voting for Trump, perhaps. ????

[Morch]

5 hours ago, candide said:

Lol!

Which countries are likely to sell arms to Iran? We already know the answer. Are these countries likely to sell arms to the US? We also know the answer.

 

It's not about them countries selling arms to the USA. Sanctions can be applied in a way affecting finances, movement of personnel and personal targeting of management. Further, same firms sell to other countries, some of which maybe thinking twice before getting on the USA's bad side, or being targeted by sanctions as well. Lastly, some of these firms (more so, Chinese) produce a wide array of products and components, of which many are marketed to Western countries. These activities too, might experience a negative impact.

 

I think most relevant parties will wait for the USA election results, and plot their course according to how things pan out.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Yeas, you are right. But only because they have always been there and know exactly that they are putting themselves in a very good position of power. What if the world re-think and take that power away from them? Still only 350 million people, as you say now the center of the world. They are just in the position they are, because the rest of the world has been fools for too long time and allowed that to happen.

 

In what meaningful way can the World "re-think and take that power away from them?"? You seem to think that the World is able to come to some sort of universal position on such matters. Not even getting into the how of it, because obviously the above is just a rant.

[Matzzon]

58 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

In what meaningful way can the World "re-think and take that power away from them?"? You seem to think that the World is able to come to some sort of universal position on such matters. Not even getting into the how of it, because obviously the above is just a rant.

No, I am very well aware of that the world can´t come to any agreements that they can keep to. You can clearly see that in all from war to simple Brexit. However, I just vented my opinion. You know, things that you do on an online forum. If you wish to call it rant. Up to you. You also have the option to leave it alone.

[Eric Loh]

6 hours ago, Matzzon said:

Yeas, you are right. But only because they have always been there and know exactly that they are putting themselves in a very good position of power. What if the world re-think and take that power away from them? Still only 350 million people, as you say now the center of the world. They are just in the position they are, because the rest of the world has been fools for too long time and allowed that to happen.

That power can possibly come when the dollar is no longer at its exorbitant privilege. Dollar is weaponized to preserve USA  global economic and geopolitical position. When will this happen is a continuing saga. 

[Sujo]

12 hours ago, MajarTheLion said:

 

Doubtful, given Trump is the only president in the past 40 years to not get us into new wars.

And yet he refers to himself as a war time president.