File tm30 after return from abroad?

[Phoenixsun28]

My girlfriend is a teacher and her school is telling her to file a tm30 in preparation for a new work visa. 

 

She filed one in Feb 2020, but because she has recently returned from abroad, she's being told by the school that she needs to file a new one. 

 

I think I read UbonJoe saying that there was a regulation change which nullified the need to re-file so long as your address hasn't changed, which is the case with her. Is this true? If so, anyone have a link to the official announcement for it so we can link her admin?

 

Thanks in advance!

[ubonjoe]

They are not required now unless you change your registered address.

The regulation is number 30 and 31 in English and Thai in this pinned topic, https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/981135-laws-regulations-police-orders-etc/

 

[Phoenixsun28]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

They are not required now unless you change your registered address.

The regulation is number 30 and 31 in English and Thai in this pinned topic, https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/981135-laws-regulations-police-orders-etc/

 

Thanks UbonJoe... 

 

Hypothetically, if her school were to still insist that she needs to go, which office in Bangkok handles the tm30 now? CW or MTT? Also, what would you expect to be her likely outcome? Sent away with nothing to show for? 

[ubonjoe]

6 minutes ago, Phoenixsun28 said:

Hypothetically, if her school were to still insist that she needs to go, which office in Bangkok handles the tm30 now? CW or MTT? Also, what would you expect to be her likely outcome? Sent away with nothing to show for? 

MTT is where they are done now.

I think they would do one if requested.

[Hamus Yaigh]

25 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

They are not required now unless you change your registered address.

I always thought the new regulation (under 2.2) meant a new TM30 was also required if the persons visa validity and extensions of visa had changed to a new visa even without change of address?

[ubonjoe]

1 hour ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

I always thought the new regulation (under 2.2) meant a new TM30 was also required if the persons visa validity and extensions of visa had changed to a new visa even without change of address?

I assume you mean this.

"2.2 After a householder, owner or possessor of dwelling place or hotel manager already made a notification according to 2.1, then the alien goes to occasionally stay somewhere else and return to stay at the original place within the notified period of stay that has not yet ended, such householder,owner or possessor of dwelling place or hotel manager is not required to make a notification again."

 

That means the the date on the TM30 form for departure from the residence. That could be put on the form as unknown or indefinite but I don't think immigration would ever try to enforce it.

 

[Hamus Yaigh]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

I assume you mean this.

I was thinking more of the next paragraph in 2.2 where it refers to 'within the validity of the visa' thinking if I came back to Thailand on a new visa I'd need a new TM30.

[ubonjoe]

8 minutes ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

I was thinking more of the next paragraph in 2.2 where it refers to 'within the validity of the visa'.

That refers to paragraph 1 that is 2.1. It has nothing to do with 2.2.

"The alien mentioned in paragraph 1 shall include any alien receiving a multiply entry visa who departs the Kingdom and returns within the validity of visa and any alien permitted to re-enter into the Kingdom with a valid re-entry permit."

[Hamus Yaigh]

Great thanks for your help @ubonjoe

[cauldlad]

I came back from the UK 2 years ago to the same address when many offices had started asking for them to be completed, even when returning to the same address. I did not go to Jomtien to file a new TM30.

 

When I came to renewing my retirement extension 7 months later, nothing was said and the TM30 in my passport was dated at least 12 months earlier.

[Peter Denis]

19 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

I always thought the new regulation (under 2.2) meant a new TM30 was also required if the persons visa validity and extensions of visa had changed to a new visa even without change of address?

You are correct.

Since 30 June 2020 a TM-30 notification needs to be done only ONCE for the main place where you as foreigner are staying, as the filed TM30 will stay valid as long as the foreigner's permission to stay is kept alive (including its extension or when using a Re-Entry Permit). 

So, filing of a new TM30 is only needed when the permission to stay or the extension of it, expired and the foreigner re-enters Thailand on a new Visa (or Visa Exempt).

Note: Obviously if relocating in Thailand, a new TM30 would have to be filed to the IO of the place to which you are relocating.

[ubonjoe]

16 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

You are correct.

No exactly correct the way he wrote it. His post appeared to say if you applied for a new extension you would  need to do a TM30 report.

 

[Oldie]

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

No exactly correct the way he wrote it. His post appeared to say if you applied for a new extension you would  need to do a TM30 report.

 

What happens if you get a new passport? You will also get a new TM6 if you re-enter the country. Both are part of the TM30 data. I assume that you will have to change these data in their database. What do you think? 

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, Oldie said:

What happens if you get a new passport? You will also get a new TM6 if you re-enter the country. Both are part of the TM30 data. I assume that you will have to change these data in their database. What do you think? 

When it comes down to all of that your name becomes more important than the TM6 or passport number.

Immigration has not really said anything about the TM6 number since it not really that relevant.

It the TM30 report was done in person you would still have the receipt and immigration could change the info on it or issue a new one.

As far as I know the TM30 reporting database only stores the info for a limited amount of time.

 

[Hamus Yaigh]

22 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

They are not required now unless you change your registered address.

The reason I originally asked was because you simply answered the original post by the above without pointing out the visa issue? The op does not say if the person is coming in on an existing permit to stay or a new visa.

 

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

His post appeared to say if you applied for a new extension you would  need to do a TM30 report.

Sorry if my English was not clear, but I wasn't saying that all. It was my opinion that a new TM30 would be needed if the o/p came in on a new visa.

 

2 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

You are correct.

It now appears @Peter Denis agrees with my first comments, so I will revert to my first opinion and make sure I do my next TM30 if I permanently move or come into Thailand on a new visa.