david555 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Just now, 473geo said: Always looking to improve, UK will not snub the EU to prove a point better we work together to promote each others interests, if possible, and enhance the future for both. EU might need a little of that down the road ???? O.K. good to know the U.K. red lines go fading ...., keep up the improving further ???? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Rookiescot Posted November 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, 473geo said: Always looking to improve, UK will not snub the EU to prove a point better we work together to promote each others interests, if possible, and enhance the future for both. EU might need a little of that down the road ???? What happened to they need us more than we need them? Or we will hold all the cards? Suddenly the bold Brexiteers are full of appeasement. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Tofer said: So, the budget has not been agreed in your stated 4 days. Or is that what your crystal balls tell you.... Indeed, sorry again. A regrettable confusing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Comments on blogs appear to support the notion Cummings and Cain have jumped because Boris is about to cave in to the EU....and they want out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, david555 said: O.K. good to know the U.K. red lines go fading ...., keep up the improving further ???? All that effort for a not very witty or smart response, I hope you are pleased ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 minute ago, Surelynot said: Comments on blogs appear to support the notion Cummings and Cain have jumped because Boris is about to cave in to the EU....and they want out. To leave Johnson twisting in the wind as the bold Brexiteers go into meltdown ???? I genuinely wish I could feel sorry for them but.........meh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: What happened to they need us more than we need them? Or we will hold all the cards? Suddenly the bold Brexiteers are full of appeasement. In your mind, the failing of tarring everybody with the same brush ???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 27 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: OK so Cummings and King are still there then are they? No probably about it. Its all going so wrong isnt it Trans. Once you Brexiteers had the world at your feet. Playing Big Ben on cassette recorders and celebrating your wonderful Brexit victory. Now look at it. Begging for a deal from the EU. Selling out the fishermen. Bending over to the vile EU ???? Yep, isn't it great, not long to go to the complete exit, and I think you have got the "bending over" the wrong way round, the remaining EU countries can do exactly that in their future U.S. of G...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 minute ago, 473geo said: In your mind, the failing of tarring everybody with the same brush ???? And so it begins. Now comes the denial that anyone was in favour of Brexit to begin with ???? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: To leave Johnson twisting in the wind as the bold Brexiteers go into meltdown ???? I genuinely wish I could feel sorry for them but.........meh. Why should you, with your anti-British stance... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, transam said: Yep, isn't it great, not long to go to the complete exit, and I think you have got the "bending over" the wrong way round, the remaining EU countries can do exactly that in their future U.S. of G...... I imagine the band on the Titanic had the same idea ???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Just now, Rookiescot said: I imagine the band on the Titanic had the same idea ???? No, there was no EU back then....???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
473geo Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: And so it begins. Now comes the denial that anyone was in favour of Brexit to begin with ???? You are even failing at winding people up, Brexit has happened. Silly comment. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, transam said: Why should you, with your anti-British stance... ???? Hey maybe you can get a Vatican passport and go live in south America ???? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 37 minutes ago, transam said: No, there was no EU back then....???? No there was an Iceborg ..who wouldnt give way for those coming steam ahead... Edited November 15, 2020 by david555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-eu-ireland-internal-market-bill-b1723174.html Ireland says it will block Brexit trade deal unless Boris Johnson backs down on Internal Market Bill There is ‘no way’ EU member states will ratify agreement while UK is breaking another one, foreign minister says Jon Stone Policy Correspondent @joncstone 1 hour ago EU member states will block the signing of a Brexit trade agreement if Boris Johnson pushes ahead with his plan to break international law, the Irish government has said. Speaking on Sunday foreign minister Simon Coveney warned that there was "no way" the bloc would ratify a free trade agreement while the UK was breaking a previous deal signed less than a year ago. The UK government is currently facing legal action from the European Commission over the prime minister's Internal Market Bill, which seeks to use domestic law to overwrite the Brexit withdrawal agreement. more... (Same story topic on Sky News...) https://news.sky.com/story/brexit-no-trade-deal-if-boris-johnson-breaks-international-law-ireland-warns-12133008 Edited November 15, 2020 by david555 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 3 hours ago, transam said: No, there was no EU back then....???? So ....time now to install an orchestra once more ....????? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tofer Posted November 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Rookiescot said: Yes he is an elected MP in Westminster where he is not part of the government. I wish you would make your mind up. Talk about Boris U-turning - hypocrite. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 hours ago, david555 said: I am very curious why... if U.K. can prosper out of E.U. ( could be.... i agree ! ...) then why oh why you still keep sitting on that negotiation table ????as prosperity is winking outside to you ..... that is for me a mystery....( if that prosperity expectation is true of course ) Something is not logic in your claim ???? It's called a trade deal negotiation, in our mind. Unlike the EU, who think it's an opportunity to brow beat, manipulate, threaten and blackmail the UK into agreeing to stay shackled to the EU. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted November 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tofer said: It's called a trade deal negotiation, in our mind. Unlike the EU, who think it's an opportunity to brow beat, manipulate, threaten and blackmail the UK into agreeing to stay shackled to the EU. So walk away.....doh! 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 hours ago, transam said: "Probably", more assumptions, the thread of remainer assumptions....???? Just heard a new expression, which I think is quite apt - remainiacs... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Tofer said: It's called a trade deal negotiation, in our mind. Unlike the EU, who think it's an opportunity to brow beat, manipulate, threaten and blackmail the UK into agreeing to stay shackled to the EU. "Out means Out..." dixit T.May .... so many times repeated out of HOC in E.U. direction .... True.... Out is Out ???? Edited November 15, 2020 by david555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 hours ago, luckyluke said: But you are right, I was wrong, i am sorry, it seems to occur more frequently now that i am 72+. I applaud you for your honesty, no problem we all make mistakes. 4 hours ago, luckyluke said: However in my opinion, you could have less rude by pointing that I made a mistake. It was not my intention to give offence, merely trying to inject some humour, regrettably at your expense, to lighten the mood of, what is becoming, a dreary and monotonous exchange of views. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, david555 said: The UK government is currently facing legal action from the European Commission over the prime minister's Internal Market Bill, which seeks to use domestic law to overwrite the Brexit withdrawal agreement. I think you'll find that legal action will be rejected by the EUCJ as it was launched against a breach that has not, even yet, been invoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookiescot Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tofer said: I applaud you for your honesty, no problem we all make mistakes. It was not my intention to give offence, merely trying to inject some humour, regrettably at your expense, to lighten the mood of, what is becoming, a dreary and monotonous exchange of views. We all get a bit overheated sometimes. I should take my own advice and step back occasionally. Odd thing is away from Brexit we would probably agree on 90% of other matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 22 minutes ago, Surelynot said: So walk away.....doh! That's exactly what we're trying to do, but the EU keeps coming back and begging for continued talks, with false promises to respect the UK's sovereignty. Obviously it's in every ones interest to reach a deal if possible, so it makes sense to listen to what the EU are prepared to capitulate on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, david555 said: "Out means Out..." dixit T.May .... so many times repeated out of HOC in E.U. direction .... True.... Out is Out ???? It's a pity your EU parliament don't understand that principle yet..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Rookiescot said: We all get a bit overheated sometimes. I should take my own advice and step back occasionally. Odd thing is away from Brexit we would probably agree on 90% of other matters. I hope our batting opponents understand, there's no animosity on my part, and I'm sure the same goes for others, simply a frustration that people will not gracefully accept the democratic decision of the nation and pull together to get the best for all concerned. And, of course, quit with the negative vibes, and have some faith.... ???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Tofer said: I think you'll find that legal action will be rejected by the EUCJ as it was launched against a breach that has not, even yet, been invoked. But it can make the E.U. decide not to sign a new one , who could go same way after again to be broken , anyway legally they shows already serious intentions to break it , as they voted it in H.O.C. already , and it is only because your lordships rejected it , that it is now in the " twilight zone " .... BTW No ECJ rejection needed to refuse to vote any deal ....???? only 1 veto is enough , and more are prepared be assured, as thing's stand now . Edited November 15, 2020 by david555 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tofer Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, david555 said: But it can make the E.U. decide not tosign a new one , who could go same way after again to be broken , anyway legally they shows already serious intentions to break i t as they voted it in H.O.C. already , and it is only because your lordships rejected it , that it is now in the " twilight zone " .... BTW No ECJ rejection needed to refuse to vote any deal .... The EU can do exactly as they wish, so why don't they.... Why are they still around the negotiating table? After all, it's hardly a new issue that popped up overnight, and BJ has made it abundantly clear the bill won't be dropped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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