11 minutes ago, John1012 said:

 " since Republican President Donald Trump was defeated by Democrat Joe Biden in last week's election"  .......  more FAKE  news   ..... until all legal challenges and the constitutional process is followed DJ Trump is the President, and will remain so until midnight of January  19th 2021, unless he concedes.

Uh, the sentence you quoted simply and factually states that President-Elect Biden won the election, it does not say that trump was immediately replaced (although that would have been preferable). And it's got nothing to do with whether trump concedes or not. Conceding the election has no legal implications. 

Confused much?

28 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 

Gore vs Bush - 4 weeks.

 

Was about one single state of Florida only with a very marginal difference, which indeed could have flipped one way or the other.

Biden is ahead by 4 States with at least 10k votes ahead in each state. He could lose 2 states (even 3 depending on the combination) and still have won the election.

I am far away to believe, that Biden will solve all problems. But people, please get a grasp. Your reaction gets more and more rabid by the hour. Like 3 year old children covering the eyes and the ears and truly believe, they are invisible.

 

It actually scares me, that after all this behaviour, there are still large amounts of people -- beyond the usual 10% of nutters -- supporting this drama. This is not a matter of sides or Dems vs Reps. It is a matter of being accountable, reliable and able to run a business or a negotiation.

Edited November 13, 20205 yr by IgboChief

I tell you, as an outsider it's completely boring and trite.  What's next, Trump's bed turner down risks sack?

33 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Uh, the sentence you quoted simply and factually states that President-Elect Biden won the election, it does not say that trump was immediately replaced (although that would have been preferable). And it's got nothing to do with whether trump concedes or not. Conceding the election has no legal implications. 

Confused much?

I suspect that he numbers himself among many Trump followers who believe that what Trump says is law.

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yes. He is now in full dictator mode.

And no doubt he's believing that many Americans will love/support him for being a strong/tough guy.

1 hour ago, BobBKK said:

 

Gore vs Bush - 4 weeks. None of my posts have denied Biden's win and with the huge establishment behind him it was no surprise. I don't like the concept of continuing voting after Election Day but that's the way it is at the moment. If it was simple popular vote all this would be avoided and president Gore would have won (as would Biden).

In the case of Gore vs. Biden it wasn't about voting after election day. The issue was something called hanging chads.

4 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 

Be careful what you wish for. Biden will probably send USA to war again, the libs will screech about minority rights and attack the silent majority, and the debt will go up and up and the libs tears will go down and down. The pendulum will, inevitably, swing back one day. Biden is a much nicer man than Trump, undoubtedly, but he's going to be a figurehead as he fumbles his way through his 4 years (if he makes it to the end).

Much nicer than Trump? Is that so?

Lying dog faced pony soldier. I don't work for you. Look, fat man, Liar. 

Yep real nice guy.

10 minutes ago, toolpush said:

Much nicer than Trump? Is that so?

Lying dog faced pony soldier. I don't work for you. Look, fat man, Liar. 

Yep real nice guy.

I sometimes think I have been transported into an inverted universe where Trump's vices are paraded as virtues.

5 hours ago, BobBKK said:

I'd fire him in a nano-second for going public about internal HR matters. 

Trump disclosed intelligence to the Russians, putting a major CIA asset in danger. The asset was later extracted from Russia, and was of no further use in obtaining information about Russian intentions.  He disclosed the location of nuclear submarines off North Korea. He posted video on Twitter of Seal Team Five, revealing their location and unblurred faces.  Countries became more selective in the intelligence they shared with America.

If you are going to be consistent about firing people who can't keep their mouths shut, Trump should be sacked too. Oh wait, he has been.

32 minutes ago, toolpush said:

Much nicer than Trump? Is that so?

Yes, I can hereby confirm that that is indeed so. Any more questions I can help you with?

4 hours ago, darksidedog said:

Firing people down the line in positions of trust because you don't like that they are standing by the truth and refusing to participate in false narrative is just nasty.

 

You are too polite, vindictive and spiteful are better adjectives.

I'm wondering when Biden takes over on January 20, it would not be a good idea to restore competent personnel to their positions. Lord knows America needs all the competence it can muster. It's setting new records on coronavirus parameters every day.

This is what happens when a defeated leader is allowed 10 weeks in which to be as vengeful as possible to as many people as possible.

In Europe they're shown the door the following day and no further damage can be done.

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

You are too polite, vindictive and spiteful are better adjectives.

I'm wondering when Biden takes over on January 20, it would not be a good idea to restore competent personnel to their positions. Lord knows America needs all the competence it can muster. It's setting new records on coronavirus parameters every day.

I suspect President-Elect Biden already has a plan on how to do some immediate and much needed swamp draining to get rid of the worst bottom dwellers left over from the trump "presidency".

LOL.  Very, very slick article.  I think they covered all the pertinent points.  Too bad it's a wasted effort.

A conspiracy video post linking to a disallowed private social media account has been removed for violating the following forum rule:

 

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18) Social Media content is not to be used as  source material unless it is from a recognized or approved news media source,  the source of any such material (Twitter, Facebook, YouTube  etc.) should always be shown

 

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I suspect President-Elect Biden already has a plan on how to do some immediate and much needed swamp draining to get rid of the worst bottom dwellers left over from the trump "presidency".

Actually we have some indications that's already happening. As some may recall, when Trump was campaigning, one of his chief swamp targets was Wall St. Somehow as soon as he gained office, he lost his interest in them and actually greatly relaxed the rules that were put in place after the Great Recession to stop Wall Street from screwing over the country again. Now there's this:

Biden signals Wall Street crackdown with transition picks

President-elect Joe Biden’s transition team has recruited a who’s-who of Wall Street critics to help launch his administration, the latest indication that the days of light-touch bank regulation under President Donald Trump are coming to an end.

Leading the transition’s preparation to run financial regulatory agencies is Gary Gensler, an Obama-era regulator — and former top Goldman Sachs executive — who enraged big banks by imposing sweeping new rules on the industry in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis.

Gensler's team includes former Democratic congressional aides who played a major role in drafting tougher laws for financial firms after the subprime meltdown and later fought efforts to water them down.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/12/biden-transition-wall-street-crackdown-436366

4 hours ago, darksidedog said:

This isn't about what an individual wishes for. It is about the electorates votes that matter.

For better or for worse, the Democrat numbers are significantly higher than the Republican ones.

It is traditional under such circumstances to concede and allow the winner to have their crack at running the ship.

I do not dispute any persons right to use legal options to explore options.

Well over a week into this now though, and there have been no revelations of voter fraud, in remotely close to the levels that would be required to overturn the lead.

What the evidence coming forward has shown, is of courts throwing out very ill thought out and oft times laughable cases, yet none of the alleged fraud appearing. The latter in itself is truly remarkable, as if it had happened, you would expect something to have shown up by now.

I don't expect the losing side to be happy. Every four years there is such a situation, yet never before has it deteriorated to the extent we see today.

Every time a Trump accusation turns out to be incorrect or untrue, the more you have to question how any of the accusations from him, of which he has no evidence, should be worthy of consideration.

Firing people down the line in positions of trust because you don't like that they are standing by the truth and refusing to participate in false narrative is just nasty.

 

Patience, DSD.  Lots of lawsuits being filed.  Do you think they would be filing lawsuits if they didn't have any evidence?

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Patience, DSD.  Lots of lawsuits being filed.  Do you think they would be filing lawsuits if they didn't have any evidence?

Can't speak for darksideddog but since Trump's lawyers have produced none yet in court filings even after alleging much, why not? Trump has a history of bringing nuisance lawsuits that routinely get thrown out of court. Why should things be any different now? You really should look up the hilarious if painful exchange between a judge and a trump lawyer in Pennsylvania who began by alleging that Republican observers weren't allowed to watch the counting and finally had to concede that in fact a "non-zero" number of them did.

2 hours ago, Traubert said:

I tell you, as an outsider it's completely boring and trite.  What's next, Trump's bed turner down risks sack?

 

Trump's bed turner down isn't in a position to influence public opinion on the election.  Putting in a new CISA chief who is favourable towards Trump would no doubt see all of his fake claims passed on, and conspiracy theories given credence.

 

6 hours ago, webfact said:

White House officials have asked for content to be edited or removed which pushed back against numerous false claims about the election, including that Democrats are behind a mass election fraud scheme. CISA officials have chosen not to delete accurate information.

 

In particular, one person said, the White House was angry about a CISA post rejecting a conspiracy theory that falsely claims an intelligence agency supercomputer and program, purportedly named Hammer and Scorecard, could have flipped votes nationally. No such system exists, according to Krebs, election security experts and former U.S. officials.

19 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Patience, DSD.  Lots of lawsuits being filed.  Do you think they would be filing lawsuits if they didn't have any evidence?

"Do you think they would be filing lawsuits if they didn't have any evidence?"

 

In view of the fact that these suits are being routinely dismissed for lack of evidence, yes.

19 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Patience, DSD.  Lots of lawsuits being filed.  Do you think they would be filing lawsuits if they didn't have any evidence?

Yes, that's exactly what's been happening. Duh!

 

A closer look at the Trump campaign's election lawsuits — and why they've mostly failed

 

"Trump’s campaign has either filed or joined a dozen election-related lawsuits in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania, alleging that counties used faulty machines, improperly submitted ballots, violated election laws, tampered with ballots to make the votes legitimate and a host of other allegations that seek to discredit the voting processes in those states, particularly in largely populated counties that turned out for Biden.

So far, the Trump campaign has secured only two apparent victories, and most of the lawsuits that aren’t pending have been dismissed for lack of merit or reliance on testimony that’s hearsay, according to a review of the complaints filed as of Nov. 12."

 

 

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The departure is part of the churn in the administration since Republican President Donald Trump was defeated by Democrat Joe Biden in last week's election, raising concerns about the transition to the president-elect who would take office on Jan. 20.

Seems to me the article failed to cite what authority has declared Biden a winner and Trump a loser.  The fat lady hasn't sung yet.  And when she does sing it may be an unexpected tune.

5 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"Do you think they would be filing lawsuits if they didn't have any evidence?"

 

In view of the fact that these suits are being routinely dismissed for lack of evidence, yes.

The past doesn't necessarily determine the future.  You could have two strikes and still hit it out of the park.  Your reasoning is logically flawed.  No matter.  We're all going to have to wait it out.

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Seems to me the article failed to cite what authority has declared Biden a winner and Trump a loser.  The fat lady hasn't sung yet.  And when she does sing it may be an unexpected tune.

Prior to this election, once the Associated Press called what was a pretty clear result, that was considered the moment the fat lady sang. Verification and certification duly followed without drama.

Gore V Bush was a tough one, but that was about a precise count in a single state, which everyone agreed was a very tight race.

This is not a very tight race. Not even close.

I shudder to think of how many decent Republicans right now are going to be considering voting differently next time round, given what they are seeing their party do to the very fabric of decent society.

9 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Yes, that's exactly what's been happening. Duh!

 

A closer look at the Trump campaign's election lawsuits — and why they've mostly failed

 

"Trump’s campaign has either filed or joined a dozen election-related lawsuits in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Pennsylvania, alleging that counties used faulty machines, improperly submitted ballots, violated election laws, tampered with ballots to make the votes legitimate and a host of other allegations that seek to discredit the voting processes in those states, particularly in largely populated counties that turned out for Biden.

So far, the Trump campaign has secured only two apparent victories, and most of the lawsuits that aren’t pending have been dismissed for lack of merit or reliance on testimony that’s hearsay, according to a review of the complaints filed as of Nov. 12."

 

 

I think listening to only left leaning news leaves you handicapped.  Severely so.  But that's just my opinion and in no way would I tell you were to source your information.

3 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

Prior to this election, once the Associated Press called what was a pretty clear result, that was considered the moment the fat lady sang. Verification and certification duly followed without drama.

Gore V Bush was a tough one, but that was about a precise count which everyone agreed was a very tight race.

This is not a very tight race. Not even close.

I shudder to think of how many decent Republicans right now are going to be considering voting differently next time round, given what they are seeing their party do to the very fabric of decent society.

 

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

I think listening to only left leaning news leaves you handicapped.  Severely so.  But that's just my opinion and in no way would I tell you were to source your information.

Apparently now Fox is numbered among the left-leaning news sites.

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results

15 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

The past doesn't necessarily determine the future.  You could have two strikes and still hit it out of the park.  Your reasoning is logically flawed.  No matter.  We're all going to have to wait it out.

You're the one who contended that they wouldn't be filing cases if they didn't have evidence. But they have been filing such cases and they didn't have any evidence.

Edited November 13, 20205 yr by placeholder

3 minutes ago, darksidedog said:

Prior to this election, once the Associated Press called what was a pretty clear result, that was considered the moment the fat lady sang. Verification and certification duly followed without drama.

Gore V Bush was a tough one, but that was about a precise count which everyone agreed was a very tight race.

This is not a very tight race. Not even close.

I shudder to think of how many decent Republicans right now are going to be considering voting differently next time round, given what they are seeing their party do to the very fabric of decent society.

In other elections that has held true, DSD.  In this election, though, no one has conceded.  To understand what that truly means would require knowledge of election law.  And since this election is not your typical election then, no, the fat lady has not sung in 2020.  Legally speaking there is no winner or loser at this time.  Granted, it doesn't prevent people from falsely claiming otherwise.

 

Unless someone can state what the actual law is that declares Biden a winner and Trump a loser then this point has been won by me.  I doubt anyone will be able to cite it.

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

In other elections that has held true, DSD.  In this election, though, no one has conceded.  To understand what that truly means would require knowledge of election law.  And since this election is not your typical election then, no, the fat lady has not sung in 2020.  Legally speaking there is no winner or loser at this time.  Granted, it doesn't prevent people from falsely claiming otherwise.

 

Unless someone can state what the actual law is that declares Biden a winner and Trump a loser then this point has been won by me.  I doubt anyone will be able to cite it.

The law of probability.

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

 

Apparently now Fox is numbered among the left-leaning news sites.

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2020/general-results

They've recruited the Rhino Paul Ryan.  I believe that explanation suffices.  In any case, everyone here should be happy as Fox was the last of the competition.