UK's Sunak says he hopes for a Brexit deal but not at any price

[7by7]

50 minutes ago, 473geo said:

 

Neither side would want to be the designer of a harmful Brexit. But as people on this forum insist as the 'bigger party' the EU has the 'right' to make demands, set the rules, then as the 'bigger party' they appear to have small cajones when it comes to leaving the table.

 No party in any negotiation has the right to make demands; but each party has the right to put forward it's terms. Both p[arties then negotiate on each other's position, giving here, taking there, until agreement is reached 

 

Your 'cajones' comment is ridiculous. In your mind it's a lack of cajones which has caused the larger EU to grant the UK's requests for extensions; so what in your mind does that say about the smaller UK asking for those extensions in the first place? 

[robblok]

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-fish-johnson-macron-barnier/

 

Interesting I wonder if the sovereign territory also applied to those Dutch French and Spanish fishermen that bought and paid quote from Brits. If that is the case its just cheating what the Brits do. If those fishermen can still fish there but others not then its totally understandable. 

 

Still the article tells a nice story that both sides should give and take a lil bit more but on both side they seem to be dug in about a relatively small thing but seems to be symbolic for both sides.

[7by7]

55 minutes ago, transam said:

But it's the EU that won't back off using our sovereign territory, is it not, if they had, it would have been sorted a long time ago, but then, folk like you don't care about the UK's sovereign land and sea, all you care about is slagging off anything to do with your own country...???? 

 

Will you ever produce an argument to support your position, or will you, like an infant throwing a tantrum, merely continue with your baseless insults?

 

I suspect the latter.

[473geo]

29 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 No party in any negotiation has the right to make demands; but each party has the right to put forward it's terms. Both p[arties then negotiate on each other's position, giving here, taking there, until agreement is reached 

 

Your 'cajones' comment is ridiculous. In your mind it's a lack of cajones which has caused the larger EU to grant the UK's requests for extensions; so what in your mind does that say about the smaller UK asking for those extensions in the first place? 

Already explained but as you cherry pick posts you feel you are able to contradict you missed it ????

[473geo]

29 minutes ago, robblok said:

https://www.politico.eu/article/brexit-fish-johnson-macron-barnier/

 

Interesting I wonder if the sovereign territory also applied to those Dutch French and Spanish fishermen that bought and paid quote from Brits. If that is the case its just cheating what the Brits do. If those fishermen can still fish there but others not then its totally understandable. 

 

Still the article tells a nice story that both sides should give and take a lil bit more but on both side they seem to be dug in about a relatively small thing but seems to be symbolic for both sides.

Rob the dutch can fish for all the herring they can eat, I am not a fan  ????

I preferred the pub and a pint of oranjeboom to the work canteen ????

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Rob the dutch can fish for all the herring they can eat, I am not a fan  ????

I preferred the pub and a pint of oranjeboom to the work canteen ????

Actually most Brits don't care about herring. (neither do I) The article i quoted is interesting shows that both sides are being a bit stupid. For instance the Brits don eat herring and if there is no agreement there will be high tariffs for this and the Brits lose out. So some sort of agreement that is beneficial for both is possible (the article is quite nice to read gives a good explanation (except the part of sold fishing rights from Brits to foreigners could not find how that is going to work)

 

Both sides just have to put a little water in the wine but its for both sides symbolic so they have both dug in. To be honest i could not care about this issue at all its such a small part of the whole economy that its a moot point.

 

The one market and its access and level playing field is far more important and has far more economic impact.  

[RayC]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

I think you'll find that the slogan 'always somebody else fault' belongs to another member on here and is indeed copyrighted by his company 'Slogans R,Us.

???? Time to own up, Vogie. You are, in fact, Boris Johnson. Same sense of bonhomie. Similar (occasionally) mildly-amusing one-liners. Unfortunately, also same lack of substance. 

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, RayC said:

???? Time to own up, Vogie. You are, in fact, Boris Johnson. Same sense of bonhomie. Similar (occasionally) mildly-amusing one-liners. Unfortunately, also same lack of substance. 

Maybe you could come clean 'Ray' more faces than Worzal Gummage.????????

[evadgib]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Maybe you could come clean 'Ray' more faces than Worzal Gummage.????????

More 'boats' than the Dunkirk association ????

[RayC]

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

Maybe you could come clean 'Ray' more faces than Worzal Gummage.????????

You're right, Boris. Time to come clean. I'm omnipresent. I'm also far better looking than Worzal Gummage!

[7by7]

41 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Already explained but as you cherry pick posts you feel you are able to contradict you missed it ????

Then enlighten me.

[RayC]

6 minutes ago, evadgib said:

More 'boats' than the Dunkirk association ????

"All aboard the good ship, 'Banal'"

[7by7]

41 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Rob the dutch can fish for all the herring they can eat, I am not a fan  ????

I preferred the pub and a pint of oranjeboom to the work canteen ????

 In which case you must agree to allowing the fishing rights and quotas to stay as they are!

 

Why? See 

 

[473geo]

12 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Then enlighten me.

 

6 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 In which case you must agree to allowing the fishing rights and quotas to stay as they are!

 

Why? See 

 

I am in agreement with Rob, supporting cast, but there will always be those elevating the topic to stardom to top billing to suit their dialogue.

[from the home of CC]

On 11/22/2020 at 5:52 PM, cyril sneer said:

amazing how much damage islamic immigration has done, brexit would never have happened without it

so do mean now they are going to throw out all those people that already arrived? I've also read for the last 4 years that this was not an 'immigration' issue at all and also stated by many on this site. So what do you think, are folks too ashamed to admit it even though they really feel that way and that's what influenced their vote? Not trying to wind anyone up, I just wonder what is the truth really is here?

[7by7]

9 minutes ago, 473geo said:

 

I am in agreement with Rob, supporting cast, but there will always be those elevating the topic to stardom to top billing to suit their dialogue.

 I suppose you think that load of old pony somehow indicates your intellectual prowess.

 

Will you answer the question now? Do you agree with, amongst others, UK fisheries, that the licences and quotas should remain as they are; at least for the foreseeable future; or not?

[473geo]

1 hour ago, 7by7 said:

 I suppose you think that load of old pony somehow indicates your intellectual prowess.

 

Will you answer the question now? Do you agree with, amongst others, UK fisheries, that the licences and quotas should remain as they are; at least for the foreseeable future; or not?

I have no problem with the fisheries remaining as they are provided they are are part of a significantly broader deal and enhance the value of a trade deal in favour of the UK, otherwise if the EU are not malleable take back all we can. 

 

Now you can as usual pick fault, word by word, with my comment if you have nothing better to do.

 My thoughts are based on the premise any idiot knows that the French and Spanish will veto any deal that does not protect their current fishing industry status.

 

So Boris is clearly using this as leverage, as such he must be prepared to give way. This is probably why his ministers with more hard line views have departed.

 

Mostly comments on Brexit threads overlook the fact as ever that money runs countries not politicians. This why the pawns on both sides are being pushed towards an agreement, it is the reason for the constant postponement.

 

But feel free to debate minor topics and ignore the bigger picture, and when you can provide insight, instead of spending way too much time trying to 'win' debates with yourself and others, you may actually provide some interesting input rather than regurgitated wifi opinions and percentages.

[473geo]

3 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

so do mean now they are going to throw out all those people that already arrived? I've also read for the last 4 years that this was not an 'immigration' issue at all and also stated by many on this site. So what do you think, are folks too ashamed to admit it even though they really feel that way and that's what influenced their vote? Not trying to wind anyone up, I just wonder what is the truth really is here?

Well as the 'experts' scramble for their WiFi links ???? probably never having given this too much thought. ???? I think if we look at the employment issues in areas where Labour were overturned there is a strong possibility of a connection. I would say the many young British voters were in protectionist mode. Far above the minority many narrow minded would anticipate, and expect, the ageing white beer bellied belligerent racist.

 

[katana]

Sunak reminds me of Macron. Another globalist puppet.

[transam]

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Will you ever produce an argument to support your position, or will you, like an infant throwing a tantrum, merely continue with your baseless insults?

 

I suspect the latter.

Yes, the UK has left the EU.......That's it...Fact...

 

Remainers posting here seem to not have realised it.... FACT..

 

British remainers here would rather back the EU than their own country even knowing the UK has left the EU...Fact..

 

British members here are trashing the UK's democratic vote to leave the EU....Fact..

 

I back the democratic vote of the UK populace....Fact

[Laughing Gravy]

5 hours ago, transam said:

British members here are trashing the UK's democratic vote to leave the EU....Fact..

Yes I wouldn't have them in my trench for sure. ???? But then again most of them wouldn't fight for their country anyway.

[7by7]

20 hours ago, 473geo said:

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I have no problem with the fisheries remaining as they are provided they are are part of a significantly broader deal and enhance the value of a trade deal in favour of the UK, otherwise if the EU are not malleable take back all we can.

 Thank you; a straight answer from a Brexiteer at last.

 

BTW, I agree that in terms of both our and the EU's GDP, fishing is a minor topic; but one which, in the UK, has been elevated to an importance greater than the sum of it's parts.

[7by7]

10 hours ago, transam said:

Yes, the UK has left the EU.......That's it...Fact...

 Who here is denying that?

10 hours ago, transam said:

Remainers posting here seem to not have realised it.... FACT..

Wrong.

10 hours ago, transam said:

British remainers here would rather back the EU than their own country even knowing the UK has left the EU...Fact..

Wrong again. We've left the EU, and that mistake cannot now be rectified. What Remainers, myself included, want the best possible trade deal between the UK and EU. But we realise that the oven ready deal Vote.Leave promised in 2016 is not, and never was, going to happen. Negotiations are give and take. You want the EU to do all the giving and the UK all the taking!

10 hours ago, transam said:

British members here are trashing the UK's democratic vote to leave the EU....Fact..

We're saying it was the wrong decision; but that is our democratic right.

10 hours ago, transam said:

I back the democratic vote of the UK populace....Fact

Yet you don't back the democratic right of myself and others to disagree with that vote!

[473geo]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 Thank you; a straight answer from a Brexiteer at last.

 

BTW, I agree that in terms of both our and the EU's GDP, fishing is a minor topic; but one which, in the UK, has been elevated to an importance greater than the sum of it's parts.

Negotiation you present an obstacle that you are prepared to remove in consideration of the same on the other side

 

Brexiteer, you poor soul, I left it to those who will carry the future in the UK, their choice, their future, but I do support a decision made so long ago that you are starting to sound like a commentator on ancient history rather than current affairs  ????????

[7by7]

4 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yes I wouldn't have them in my trench for sure. ???? But then again most of them wouldn't fight for their country anyway.

 As usual, a Brexiteer has nothing to contribute except childish insults.

[7by7]

2 minutes ago, 473geo said:

<snip>

Brexiteer, you poor soul, I left it to those who will carry the future in the UK, their choice, their future, but I do support a decision made so long ago that you are starting to sound like a commentator on ancient history rather than current affairs 

Really?

 

Here was I thinking the negotiations were still ongoing!

[473geo]

Just now, 7by7 said:

 As usual, a Brexiteer has nothing to contribute except childish insults.

????

[473geo]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

Really?

 

Here was I thinking the negotiations were still ongoing!

Brexit done deal. Trade agreement negotiation ongoing, rather like your substandard attempts at oneupmanship ????

[RayC]

10 hours ago, transam said:

Yes, the UK has left the EU.......That's it...Fact...

 

Remainers posting here seem to not have realised it.... FACT..

 

British remainers here would rather back the EU than their own country even knowing the UK has left the EU...Fact..

 

British members here are trashing the UK's democratic vote to leave the EU....Fact..

 

I back the democratic vote of the UK populace....Fact

2/5. You started and finished well, but your middle three answers let you down.

 

The answers you gave to questions 2, 3 & 4 are opinions, not facts. Don't worry too much though, you're not along; most of your fellow Brexiters make the same mistakes.

[473geo]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

2/5. You started and finished well, but your middle three answers let you down.

 

The answers you gave to questions 2, 3 & 4 are opinions, not facts. Don't worry too much though, you're not along; most of your fellow Brexiters make the same mistakes.

Mistakes? I'm sure he will be along soon ????