Do you have any fear of Death?

[WineOh]

This morning I would like to talk about the notion of death and dying.

I bring this up because it occurred to me that most Thai people I know and have spoken to about this in the past seem not to have any fear of death.

In the west, on the other hand, the opposite seems to be true.

Most people I know from the western world are terrified at the thought of dying and even the topic of discussing it is met with anger and indifference.

I personally have no fear of death whatsoever. 

I am a non believer in the after life and deities and like to live in the moment as much as possible.

 

A friend of mine is currently dying in hospital,

He also has no fear of death and reacted very angrily to a nurse the other day who told him to 'think of god' in order to sooth his anxieties.

To me, death is just another part of life.

The earth was around for 4 and a half billion years before I was born and will continue on after I have gone for at least that amount of time if not longer.

I believe we are a collective of atoms roaming an organic spaceship that is just floating around the sun.

This feeling gives me warmth and helps me sleep good at night, along with a glass or two of the grapes ????

Edited December 3, 2020 by Liverpoolfan

[nikmar]

9 minutes ago, Liverpoolfan said:

a glass or two of the grapes

thought it was a bottle!!

 

I dont fear death so much as the process of dying. I "lived in the moment" a bit too  much when i was younger and subsequently worry about the consequences that may or may not be in the pipeline.

[WineOh]

1 minute ago, nikmar said:

thought it was a bottle!!

 

 

only 2 glasses last night..

I did say I was trying to cut down ????

[WineOh]

1 minute ago, nikmar said:

 

I dont fear death so much as the process of dying

but once you do finally die, that process of 'dying' never actually existed, did it? 

[nikmar]

1 minute ago, Liverpoolfan said:

but once you do finally die, that process of 'dying' never actually existed, did it? 

Well, it did. but I doubt that I would be caring so much by that point.

[WineOh]

1 minute ago, nikmar said:

Well, it did. but I doubt that I would be caring so much by that point.

it did in the same way as bad dreams exist.

when you wake up in the morning they are gone.

that's the way I look at a potentially painful death.

It's just a bad dream and once brain death occurs and my breathing stops I shall be awakened from that dream, or in other words, be freed from it.

[Pilotman]

To answer the question directly, no, I don't.  We all have to die and the dead don't know that they are dead, so all fine to me.  I would rather avoid too much pain, which is another question, so I would like the choice when I go and how, hence my stash of 100 Tramadol pills and a bottle of the finest Scottish single malt. 

[WineOh]

3 minutes ago, Liverpoolfan said:

it did in the same way as bad dreams exist.

when you wake up in the morning they are gone.

that's the way I look at a potentially painful death.

It's just a bad dream and once brain death occurs and my breathing stops I shall be awakened from that dream, or in other words, be freed from it.

(kind of like life, life could also be a bad dream.. or is this getting too deep now? ) ????

 

[WineOh]

2 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

, hence my stash of 100 Tramadol pills and a bottle of the finest Scottish single malt. 

isn't that a painful way to go out?

I read that overdosing on pills isn't the best way to go..

Not that there is any pleasant way to go, but as we live close to the golden triangle..

Well....you know what I mean ????

Edited December 3, 2020 by Liverpoolfan

[giddyup]

9 minutes ago, Liverpoolfan said:

but once you do finally die, that process of 'dying' never actually existed, did it? 

Then neither did your life either.

[Pilotman]

Just now, Liverpoolfan said:

isn't that a painful way to go out?

I read that overdosing on pills isn't the best way to go..

Not that there is any pleasant way to go, but as we live close to the golden triangle..

Well....you know what I mean ????

Not sure and I will be unable to let you know afterwards, but I can't see 100 pills not working.  If you under dose it would be an issue and I think something like paracetamol can be bad news, so I guess its what you use rather than all pills are bad for the process.  

[ivor bigun]

Do you mean that the world will go on after i am dead,my goodness how can it survive without me ,

as some may know i have been in hospital a bit lately ,but seem to be getting a lot stronger ,i know my family love me and i feel sorry that they will be sad when i am gone ,especially my wife ,we have been best friends for so long .

[WineOh]

2 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Then neither did your life either.

Exactly! ???? 

 

 

 

[Dmaxdan]

23 minutes ago, Liverpoolfan said:

I personally have no fear of death whatsoever. 

Perhaps you might think differently if you had just been told you have 3 months to live. 

 

And remember, its the people that you leave behind who really suffer.  

[giddyup]

1 minute ago, Liverpoolfan said:

Exactly! ???? 

 

 

 

But it still exists for those still alive who remember you.

[nikmar]

3 minutes ago, Liverpoolfan said:

Exactly! ???? 

 

 

 

then why youse cutting down on the vino??

[giddyup]

Just now, Dmaxdan said:

Perhaps you might think differently if you had just been told you have 3 months to live. 

 

And remember, its the people that you leave behind who really suffer.  

Assuming they loved you.

[nikmar]

2 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Assuming they loved you.

i ll leave my PIN no. for the missis. ????

 

[bkk6060]

I don't fear dying, but I think one should live each day well/enjoy it because it could be your last.

Appreciating living.

 

So, why am I here?...  :)

[WineOh]

6 minutes ago, giddyup said:

Assuming they loved you.

absolutely.

You would be surprised how many people are waiting for their supposed loved ones to die so they can get their hands on a bit of cash.

It's shocking but not in the least bit surprising considering that human nature and action is motivated primarily by economic gain. 

[OneMoreFarang]

Death is no problem, we will all die.

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep or maybe in a high-speed crash were it doesn't hurt too much for too long.

 

Until then: Carpe diem

 

[Surelynot]

The only fear I have is that shortly after dying scientists will discover how to achieve eternal youth....now that would really pißß me off.

[OneMoreFarang]

13 minutes ago, giddyup said:

15 minutes ago, Dmaxdan said:

And remember, its the people that you leave behind who really suffer.  

Assuming they loved you.

According to my friend his grandfather had 3 girlfriends when he died.

He left a will that they should all inherit something. What he didn't do it write what they should inherit. His idea was they should sort that part out themselves. ???? 

[OneMoreFarang]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

The only fear I have is that shortly after dying scientists will discover how to achieve eternal youth....now that would really pißß me off.

Imagine all those 20 year old girls would look like 20 forever. And you would be 70 forever. Now that would definitely <deleted> you off. 

[WineOh]

8 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Death is no problem, we will all die.

I hope I die peacefully in my sleep or maybe in a high-speed crash were it doesn't hurt too much for too long.

 

Until then: Carpe diem

 

great film.

[jvs]

I am not trying to steal this topic but i was already thinking about opening one about

euthanasia and if you would or already have considered it.

A very good friend of mine passed away this week,86 years old but he still believed he would

recover after many health problems.His mind was clear but his body gave up.

I hopw when the times comes and i know it is over i won't be terrified,easy to say you have no fear of death but how about fear of dying?

Slight difference there.

Nowadays there are many ways to help you pass if the suffering gets too much.

I think i would take that option before i can am no longer able to control things.

The idea of lying in bed and waiting to die in pain scares me more then death itself.

[WineOh]

7 minutes ago, jvs said:

I am not trying to steal this topic but i was already thinking about opening one about

euthanasia and if you would or already have considered it.

absolutely 100%

Euthanasia should be an option for any patient who is in intolerable pain, that is still sound of mind or has written in a statement when he/she was still physically able that they wish to be euthanized when they feel the time has come.

Edited December 3, 2020 by Liverpoolfan

[jvs]

3 minutes ago, Liverpoolfan said:

absolutely 100%

Euthanasia should be an option for any patient who is in intolerable pain, that is still sound of mind or has written in a statement when he/she was still physically able that they wish to be executed when they feel the time has come.

maybe the word executed is a bit much,you are talking with help.

I was more thinking along the line of helping myself so to take the burden away from some one else.Also now it is not easy to travel to a country where it is allowed in a clinic but it should be available every where.

Edited December 3, 2020 by jvs

[WineOh]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

maybe the word executed is a bit much.

agreed.

changed to euthanized.

 

 

[Surelynot]

This thread got me thinking....what about the converse...the fear of someone not dying?....imagine Trump not dying and returning in 2024.....now that is scary.