Can not help but wonder  what would be the outcome if the Brexit  negotiations suddenly produced an agreement !

1 hour ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Can not help but wonder  what would be the outcome if the Brexit  negotiations suddenly produced an agreement !

 

  If theres an agreement , some on here will say the UK/Boris caved in/surrendered 

If theres no agreement , the same people will say it was because the UK/Boris were being unreasonable and unwilling to compromise in negotiations .

  Whatever the outcome, they will declare a victory for the E.U and a UK loss .

 

Edited December 22, 20205 yr by onthedarkside
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9 hours ago, asiacurious said:

I seem to recall a talk a year or two ago that if Brexit happened as a "hard" Brexit, there would be thousands and thousands of trucks stuck at the border and it would cause all kinds of difficulties in the UK.

 

In fact, just a few weeks ago there was this.....

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-trucks/as-brexit-cliff-edge-looms-miles-of-trucks-stack-up-near-southern-english-port-idUSKBN28K2PW

 

Is the UK being cut off now as a result of fears over this new strain something of a preview of what it'll be like if the UK doesn't reach some kind of agreement with the EU by the end of the year? 

More than half the trucks stuck for the two days that this has been predicted to last are from the EU (Ireland) trying to get over. 

29 minutes ago, cooked said:

More than half the trucks stuck for the two days that this has been predicted to last are from the EU (Ireland) trying to get over. 

Does not matter from which country they are .... it is this  supply line for U.K. needs who goes face the no deal outcome likewise  in 9 day's

11 minutes ago, shackleton said:

I wish they would sort it out one way or the other

 This Brexit Deal or No deal is getting beyond a joke

Its worse than a Pantomime 

OH NO IT ISN'T....had to be said

Edited December 22, 20205 yr by Surelynot

18 minutes ago, shackleton said:

I wish they would sort it out one way or the other

 This Brexit Deal or No deal is getting beyond a joke

Its worse than a Pantomime 

 

  10 days to go, then we should finally reach a conclusion .

Even if theres no deal , things couldnt get much worse .

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

things couldnt get much worse

NOOOOO...don't say that!!!

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18 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  The general public need to take a lot of the blame , they have been the ones who havent been following the rules 

Judging from the crowds at the Darts Championship I am currently watching, there is no such thing as a pandemic going on right now. Are they all living in an alternate universe?  How was that ever allowed given that football teams are having to play to empty stadiums. There is no logic in the whole management of this in the UK. And only the government is to blame for allowing this. No wonder the statistics are so grim there. 

4 minutes ago, oompie69 said:

Judging from the crowds at the Darts Championship I am currently watching, there is no such thing as a pandemic going on right now. Are they all living in an alternate universe?  How was that ever allowed given that football teams are having to play to empty stadiums. There is no logic in the whole management of this in the UK. And only the government is to blame for allowing this. No wonder the statistics are so grim there. 

 

  I was referring back to the summer , when the virus was being controlled .

The people ignoring the social distancing requests and congregating , rioting and protesting in their 10s of 1000s every week-end 

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I was referring back to the summer , when the virus was being controlled .

The people ignoring the social distancing requests and congregating , rioting and protesting in their 10s of 1000s every week-end 

Fair enough, but there was always going to be a resurgence come winter. Even more reason for the government to have taken steps, given that they had already seen what happened the 1st time around.

2 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Can not help but wonder  what would be the outcome if the Brexit  negotiations suddenly produced an agreement !

 

Yep. Clearly our 'friends and partners' in the EU are trying to heap pressure on the UK to cave on their demands.

 

Ironically it might misfire, since if they're going to block everything anyway due to Covid then No Deal will be merely a pimple on the arze of the chaos.

1 hour ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  If theres an agreement , some on here will say the UK/Boris caved in/surrendered 

If theres no agreement , the same people will say it was because the UK/Boris were being unreasonable and unwilling to compromise in negotiations .

  Whatever the outcome, they will declare a victory for the E.U and a UK loss .

 

Don't forget to mention that 

If theres an agreement , some on here will say the EU/Barnier caved in/surrendered 

If theres no agreement , the same people will say it was because the EU/Barnier were being unreasonable and unwilling to compromise in negotiations .

  Whatever the outcome, they will declare a victory for the EU and an EU loss .

9 minutes ago, oompie69 said:

Fair enough, but there was always going to be a resurgence come winter. Even more reason for the government to have taken steps, given that they had already seen what happened the 1st time around.

 

 I cannot understand the UK's covid policy .

The take measures by closing things down and having restrictions , soon as Covid infections decrease, they open up and everyone goes out and mingles....................and the infections rise again and everything gets closed down again .

29 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

 I cannot understand the UK's covid policy .

The take measures by closing things down and having restrictions , soon as Covid infections decrease, they open up and everyone goes out and mingles....................and the infections rise again and everything gets closed down again .

And don't forget that even the closing things is done halfheartedly, like bars closing till certain times.

41 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Yep. Clearly our 'friends and partners' in the EU are trying to heap pressure on the UK to cave on their demands.

 

Ironically it might misfire, since if they're going to block everything anyway due to Covid then No Deal will be merely a pimple on the arze of the chaos.

Operation Brock to be deployed in Kent tonight

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Highways England has tonight repeated calls to drivers not to travel to Kent as the border to France remains closed.

 

Another Reuters anti British sensationalist article. When you are using terminology like "Sick Man of Europe', 'Brexit Edge Cliff'. <deleted> there really is desperation in the EU and using lettuce as a scapegoat,. well the British are shuddering. But it gives the anti British brigade some more ammunition to feel justified in 'that we made a mistake in enacting a democratic referendum". 

 

Funny how Denmark, Switzerland and Holland have more cases and they are not labeled with amazing headlines such as Sick man of Europe.

 

 

Edited December 22, 20205 yr by Laughing Gravy

37 minutes ago, stevenl said:

And don't forget that even the closing things is done halfheartedly, like bars closing till certain times.

Probably Boris & co think the virus works part-time ...????

1 hour ago, oompie69 said:

Judging from the crowds at the Darts Championship I am currently watching, there is no such thing as a pandemic going on right now. Are they all living in an alternate universe?  How was that ever allowed given that football teams are having to play to empty stadiums. There is no logic in the whole management of this in the UK. And only the government is to blame for allowing this. No wonder the statistics are so grim there. 

Not that much grimmer than most other similar countries.

40 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Another Reuters anti British sensationalist article. When you are using terminology like "Sick Man of Europe', 'Brexit Edge Cliff'. <deleted> there really is desperation in the EU and using lettuce as a scapegoat,. well the British are shuddering. But it gives the anti British brigade some more ammunition to feel justified in 'that we made a mistake in enacting a democratic referendum". 

 

Funny how Denmark, Switzerland and Holland have more cases and they are not labeled with amazing headlines such as Sick man of Europe.

 

 

Incredible this feeling of getting hard done by by news agencies.

It came from Denmark last November, from the mink farms. 

It's all over Europe and probably in Samut Sakhon. 

The panic over the UK is because Boris is not hiding from the truth like all the other countries. 

20 hours ago, fishtank said:

My dog could have done a better job. And has better hair.

Then why did you not stand as an MP, with an eye on becoming PM.

 

 

What I see throughout this thread is people who have never held public office in their lives, saying that he is rubbish, my dog could do better etc, but never actually doing anything about it themselves.

4 hours ago, oompie69 said:

Judging from the crowds at the Darts Championship I am currently watching, there is no such thing as a pandemic going on right now. Are they all living in an alternate universe?  How was that ever allowed given that football teams are having to play to empty stadiums. There is no logic in the whole management of this in the UK. And only the government is to blame for allowing this. No wonder the statistics are so grim there. 

Why are you blaming the government for this?

 

Why not blame the organisers and/or local government officials whose responsibility it is?

Macron refuses to lift blockade: Eurotunnel to bring 2000 lorries to UK but take NONE out | UK | News | Express.co.uk

 

Macron refuses to lift blockade: Eurotunnel to bring 2000 lorries to UK but take NONE out

MORE chaos is expected to hit the British border today as lorries head into the UK with border restrictions still in place - and Emmanuel Macron refusing to lift the blockade.

By DARREN HUNT

PUBLISHED: 09:47, Tue, Dec 22, 2020 | UPDATED: 10:23, Tue, Dec 22, 2020

Edited December 22, 20205 yr by david555

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Macron refuses to lift blockade: Eurotunnel to bring 2000 lorries to UK but take NONE out | UK | News | Express.co.uk

The first case in France came from Italy , which had already several people sick; at the period, nobody thought of a pandemic, and nobody coming from Italy by road was stopped ; in a few days, virus was already in many places; this time, everybody knows the risks ; who will accept to do the same mistake ? 

45 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Then why did you not stand as an MP, with an eye on becoming PM.

 

 

Can his dog stand as an mp? I will vote for the mutt.

11 minutes ago, Aforek said:

The first case in France came from Italy , which had already several people sick; at the period, nobody thought of a pandemic, and nobody coming from Italy by road was stopped ; in a few days, virus was already in many places; this time, everybody knows the risks ; who will accept to do the same mistake ? 

Solution could be  only ship the lorry containers only   keep the UK drivers in U.K ,  same way from France doing so keeping E.U. drivers in E.U.  

Mean time repatriate the E.U. ones from U.K.  put them in Quarantine or severe testing in E.U.  

same in reverse for the U.K drivers to U.K. 

 

Both sides keeping their own on own grounds 

Edited December 22, 20205 yr by david555

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

 I cannot understand the UK's covid policy .

The take measures by closing things down and having restrictions , soon as Covid infections decrease, they open up and everyone goes out and mingles....................and the infections rise again and everything gets closed down again .

Buying time while vaccinations are taking place.

 

A few cycles of restrictions isn't too bad overall assuming the vaccines work.

 

The real large scale vaccine roll out hasn't started yet but it's imminent.

 

16 hours ago, asiacurious said:

seem to recall a talk a year or two ago that if Brexit happened as a "hard" Brexit, there would be thousands and thousands of trucks stuck at the border and it would cause all kinds of difficulties in the UK.

At present more than 1,500 trucks backed up...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/covid-uk-may-test-all-lorry-drivers-to-try-to-break-port-gridlock?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

“The British home secretary, Priti Patel, said the government was talking to the French authorities about testing all hauliers leaving Britain, as she confirmed more than 1,500 lorries were stuck in Kent on Tuesday morning.”

Edited December 22, 20205 yr by Bluespunk