Australia Partner Visa: Can I apply half way through a Tourist Visa application?

[Will27]

2 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

This is where I'm going to have big problems

 

I'm a bit confused by your situation Bevup.

 

Where are you living now and what type of visa do you want to apply for?

[organicman]

25 minutes ago, Will27 said:

Bevup answered "other" previously.

 

It usually states "If in Australia, Immigration status".

Either way, other is the only one that fits.

 

Why would you possibly think your bank would refund you the application money?

That's just crazy.

 

As Simple1 has said, It's a long process and some are not suited to all of the bureaucracy.

 

Or you can get help on TVF.

 

You don't seem to know what you want to do TBH.

Tourist visa, partner visa in Australia or in Thailand.

 

 

 

 

You can always dispute transactions with your bank. If you pay by credit card even if the government says no refund. Visa or Mastercard usually always refund to the buyer if you dispute it. Seriously, I've always get my money back so easy if I call my bank. This is what I did with a Tourist Visa that they refused it for my ex Vietnamese girlfriend. Even tho my Thai girlfriend has less than $1000 in her bank account and very limited paperwork, her application was approved. My Vietnamese ex had $3000 and 10x as much paper work. I questioned them where they said she needs $10,000+ in her bank account even tho I was supporting her and had $30,000 in my bank at the time.  She was only coming for 2 weeks to see me on her uni break. My Thai girlfriend was staying for the full 3 months. 

[BEVUP]

1 minute ago, Will27 said:

I'm a bit confused by your situation Bevup.

 

Where are you living now and what type of visa do you want to apply for?

* Australia 

* wife (14 yrs married)/ son (12 yr old ) Thailand

* Have 2 x Family sponsor visas in limbo since Feb 2020 (clause 8503)

*Always visited every mth for the last 12 yrs to Thailand

* Nothing in shared names (i send her money )

* Plan to withdraw those "above" Visas & apply for normal TV for wife that will need an exemption as "immediate family"

* Son is Thai / auss

* Plan to change wifes Visa in Auss

[BEVUP]

2 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

* Australia 

* wife (14 yrs married)/ son (12 yr old ) Thailand

* Have 2 x Family sponsor visa applications in limbo since Feb 2020 (clause 8503) fully paid for along with Medicals / Biometrics

*Always visited every mth for the last 12 yrs to Thailand

* Nothing in shared names (i send her money )

* Plan to withdraw those "above" Visas & apply for normal TV for wife that will need an exemption as "immediate family"

* Son is Thai / auss

* Plan to change wifes Visa in Auss

 

[Will27]

4 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

* Australia 

* wife (14 yrs married)/ son (12 yr old ) Thailand

* Have 2 x Family sponsor visas in limbo since Feb 2020 (clause 8503)

*Always visited every mth for the last 12 yrs to Thailand

* Nothing in shared names (i send her money )

* Plan to withdraw those "above" Visas & apply for normal TV for wife that will need an exemption as "immediate family"

* Son is Thai / auss

* Plan to change wifes Visa in Auss

As you're married, what's stopping you from applying for a standard 309 visa?

 

You might not be able to apply onshore for a 820 visa is she still has 8503 condition on her next visa.

[BEVUP]

Just now, Will27 said:

As you're married, what's stopping you from applying for a standard 309 visa?

 

You might not be able to apply onshore for a 820 visa is she still has 8503 condition on her next visa.

I misquoted VISA they are still in the application process 

I would have to withdraw that one & apply again (impossible to get the 8503 off )

A 309 in Thailand = 20 mths waiting 

[Will27]

4 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

I misquoted VISA they are still in the application process 

I would have to withdraw that one & apply again (impossible to get the 8503 off )

A 309 in Thailand = 20 mths waiting 

So you want to apply for another tourist visa and hope they don't impose 8503 and then apply onshore for a 820 visa?

 

I don't know how long it will be before people will be allowed back in Oz anyway.

 

In a normal (pre-covid), world, I'd suggest getting her here on a tourist visa ASAP and hope 8503 is not imposed. If it is, you can still apply offshore and use tourist visas whilst your 309 is being processed.

[BEVUP]

2 minutes ago, Will27 said:

So you want to apply for another tourist visa and hope they don't impose 8503 and then apply onshore for a 820 visa?

 

I don't know how long it will be before people will be allowed back in Oz anyway.

 

In a normal (pre-covid), world, I'd suggest getting her here on a tourist visa ASAP and hope 8503 is not imposed. If it is, you can still apply offshore and use tourist visas whilst your 309 is being processed.

1- Yes

2- Immediate family can come back with Aussie Son (not sure if she could get on Repat flight ) - should be able to if escorting Son

3- TV without 8503 is the plan

 

[RemyDog]

My wife and her birth son now hold Australian Partner Visas. It was a long process over about 5 years starting in 2015 and completed last year. We did not use an agent. Even with my background in systems and administration with good insights in public servant culture and processes, it was certainly an interesting and challenging experience. The Australian Home Affairs Dept (which included Immigration within their empire) is a disgrace to the Australian government's reputation (in Australia and overseas).

 

In the OP questions about how to complete her family details, you do need to nominate and disclose the details of her parents, siblings and her children (whether any of them be alive or dead). I cannot remember whether spouses (if any) of my wife's siblings and wife's children were also included (I think not, but marital status was part of the detail for each living person).

 

If her children or mother or any siblings are likely in the future to immigrate to Australia (family reunion or any other purpose), it is important that you do disclose that possibility in the Partner Visa  application (it was one of the sub-questions at the time in 2015 when we started the process ). Immigration want to know whether by opening the door to one person if that will potentially let in another 15!!

From what you have said, their immigration status would be "Other".

You have not stated whether her children, mother or siblings will be part of your girlfriend's Visa application. To be part of your girlfriend's application,  she/they would need to show a dependency on the main applicant. Additional non-refundable fees are payable at time of the application lodgement for each subordinate applicant.

 

By the way, Immigration does not refund fees for Visa applications, even if a week after you paid the fees, you and your girlfriend were to part company. Australian Home Affairs and Immigration are in no way bound by consumer protections, providing goods or services fit for purpose, warranty and quality protections that are mandated and apply for other businesses in Australia.

 

You have been given excellent advice by other contributors to this thread. I endorse the view that you need to be very clear in your thinking on what it is you are actually looking to achieve with Australian Immigration. 

[BEVUP]

29 minutes ago, organicman said:

 

You can always dispute transactions with your bank. If you pay by credit card even if the government says no refund. Visa or Mastercard usually always refund to the buyer if you dispute it. Seriously, I've always get my money back so easy if I call my bank. This is what I did with a Tourist Visa that they refused it for my ex Vietnamese girlfriend. Even tho my Thai girlfriend has less than $1000 in her bank account and very limited paperwork, her application was approved. My Vietnamese ex had $3000 and 10x as much paper work. I questioned them where they said she needs $10,000+ in her bank account even tho I was supporting her and had $30,000 in my bank at the time.  She was only coming for 2 weeks to see me on her uni break. My Thai girlfriend was staying for the full 3 months. 

Let us all know of your progress 

It is difficult as not all people work on computers & Immi only wanting certain formats concerning pictures / ect

[organicman]

A great guide for uploading evidence I just found:

https://brookearoundtown.com/uploading-evidence-to-our-820-801-australian-partner-visa-application

 

Some others:

https://www.australiaforum.com/visas-immigration/84002-partner-visa-subclass-820-application-checklist-suggestions-thoughts.html

https://www.australiaforum.com/visas-immigration/65769-how-i-presented-my-application-partner-visa-subclass-820-a.html

 

[simple1]

16 minutes ago, organicman said:

A great guide for uploading evidence I just found:

https://brookearoundtown.com/uploading-evidence-to-our-820-801-australian-partner-visa-application

 

Some others:

https://www.australiaforum.com/visas-immigration/84002-partner-visa-subclass-820-application-checklist-suggestions-thoughts.html

https://www.australiaforum.com/visas-immigration/65769-how-i-presented-my-application-partner-visa-subclass-820-a.html

 

 

To be blunt the first URL is info overload. Just image yourself as the government person reviewing your application, do you really think they will be happy ploughing through 100 uploads? Only provide doco that is requested, (e.g. summarise social media contact / phone calls, no requirement to show financials for each year, only your financial status summary at time of application. Thai friends I've assisted we only uploaded about five photos showing couple together at different locations). Stat Decs that all adhere to the same messaging you're communicating and so on.

 

Didn't bother to look at the other URLs. 

[BEVUP]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

To be blunt the first URL is info overload. Just image yourself as the government person reviewing your application, do you really think they will be happy ploughing through 100 uploads? Only provide doco that is requested, (e.g. summarise social media contact / phone calls, no requirement to show financials for each year, only your financial status summary at time of application. Thai friends I've assisted we only uploaded about five photos showing couple together at different locations). Stat Decs that all adhere to the same messaging you're communicating and so on.

 

Didn't bother to look at the other URLs. 

Good to know it seemed a nightmare as I (if the time comes ) am not going to be able to provide half that info (not forgetting over a duration of 13 yrs ) - Don't keep reciepts /ect ect 

Will have to rely on wifes memory

Also Thailand do not keep records of international travel (have doc from embassy stating this )

As i was a FIFO worker i only visited every mth so no joint anything

But married with son

 

[organicman]

I have a question. Her parent's IDs aren't in English so how do I get a verified person to translate it to English? 

 

I also don't think her parents have birth certificates. Would they accept no birth certificates?

 

 

[simple1]

10 minutes ago, organicman said:

I have a question. Her parent's IDs aren't in English so how do I get a verified person to translate it to English? 

 

I also don't think her parents have birth certificates. Would they accept no birth certificates?

 

 

 

Can't remember, does IMMI actually require translated birth certificates for parents? If so can do a search as there are Oz government certified translators for Thai doco. IMMI are use to working with Thai applicants, so if don't have birth certificates for parents, just say so as I did for my partner, albeit some years back, but no problems. Will27 will know if there currently would be an issue.

[organicman]

33 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

Good to know it seemed a nightmare as I (if the time comes ) am not going to be able to provide half that info (not forgetting over a duration of 13 yrs ) - Don't keep reciepts /ect ect 

Will have to rely on wifes memory

Also Thailand do not keep records of international travel (have doc from embassy stating this )

As i was a FIFO worker i only visited every mth so no joint anything

But married with son

 

 

It's not different than writing a paper at high school or uni. 

 

International travel stamps should be in your passports where you should still have emails for buying tickets online or contact the travel agent you went through. If you have an android phone, you can use Google Timeline to prove where you both were on a date/time. I know they use Google Timeline in court cases for evidence. (https://support.google.com/maps/answer/6258979?co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop&hl=en)

 

 

My girl and I have no joint anything. At the end of the day, ask yourself if you were the person examining your evidence, would you believe these two are together? 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

1 hour ago, BEVUP said:

Good to know it seemed a nightmare as I (if the time comes ) am not going to be able to provide half that info (not forgetting over a duration of 13 yrs ) - Don't keep reciepts /ect ect 

Will have to rely on wifes memory

Also Thailand do not keep records of international travel (have doc from embassy stating this )

As i was a FIFO worker i only visited every mth so no joint anything

But married with son

 

The last sentence should make proof of relationship fairly easy.

The ones that I have seen get rejected are guys who have fallen madly in love and apply after 12 months of knowing her and don't have much proof.

If you have photos over 12 years, getting married, together with your child, with her family and your family, that should be fine. Your passport will show  your regular visits. 

Things like joint bank accounts can help but in my case I just said that as a couple we said I would take charge of the finances. You can probably show money sent to her or money spent on stuff in the area where she lives etc. It is normal not to have kept receipts from 10 years ago so just show more recent stuff and in your case it should be fine. 

As others have said it's just whether your story is believable and if you both tell the same story it should be fine. They have to have a good reason to say no.

 

[BEVUP]

26 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

The last sentence should make proof of relationship fairly easy.

The ones that I have seen get rejected are guys who have fallen madly in love and apply after 12 months of knowing her and don't have much proof.

If you have photos over 12 years, getting married, together with your child, with her family and your family, that should be fine. Your passport will show  your regular visits. 

Things like joint bank accounts can help but in my case I just said that as a couple we said I would take charge of the finances. You can probably show money sent to her or money spent on stuff in the area where she lives etc. It is normal not to have kept receipts from 10 years ago so just show more recent stuff and in your case it should be fine. 

As others have said it's just whether your story is believable and if you both tell the same story it should be fine. They have to have a good reason to say no.

 

thanks

[organicman]

Page 21/28: Previous relationships.... they can't be serious.... I don't know there full names let alone their DOB. They also want the dates when we went were together as well?

 

I don't think I can get any of this information unless I try to contact my exs if possible by FB which is something I don't want cause some of the break ups didn't end well. 

[BEVUP]

22 hours ago, organicman said:

Page 21/28: Previous relationships.... they can't be serious.... I don't know there full names let alone their DOB. They also want the dates when we went were together as well?

 

I don't think I can get any of this information unless I try to contact my exs if possible by FB which is something I don't want cause some of the break ups didn't end well. 

This is another (maybe) bad wording

Maybe they should state legally binding or ect 

Like you say, you might of bean a butterfly & stayed with many women for 2/4/or6 mths never to here from them again & not even know where they are 

So if you can't remember how in the hell would they know

 

I might just put always had one nighters as i was never in a real relationship until I met my now wife (thought of setelling down )

[Old Croc]

On 1/29/2021 at 1:46 PM, organicman said:

Thanks for the feedback!

 

Page 12 of 820 visa:

Applicant's Immediate Family Members

 

Does the applicant have any parents, siblings or children including those that are deceased?

 

 

She has 2 children in Thailand and a mother, father is dead. Do i put No here or Yes? If I put No it ask for a reason. If i put Yes, it ask the following for each family member. Each have never been to Australia and live in Thailand.

Immigration status

Australian immigration status

 

You must list all immediate family of the applicant, even if deceased or not planning to seek residence in this application. It's not uncommon for new residents to suddenly decide they want to sponsor their children after not listing them in their own application.  If parents, for example, are deceased Immigration will not need copious documentation about them. Just don't try to sponsor them somewhere down the line! 

 

[organicman]

17 hours ago, BEVUP said:

This is another (maybe) bad wording

Maybe they should state legally binding or ect 

Like you say, you might of bean a butterfly & stayed with many women for 2/4/or6 mths never to here from them again & not even know where they are 

So if you can't remember how in the hell would they know

 

I might just put always had one nighters as i was never in a real relationship until I met my now wife (thought of setelling down )

 

We put down our long term relationships only where we were living together and guessed the date and birthday. 

[organicman]

When we submit the application, will they require us to be in the country while they process it for 1-2 years? We wish to stay in Thailand for the next 2-3 years. I'm worried if we need to come back it will cost $4,000 for hotel quarantine for 2 people if immigration needs us here for something. I really don't want to waste $4,000 + flight costs. What about when it's approved and we are overseas. Do we have to be in Australia at any time?

[BEVUP]

3 hours ago, organicman said:

When we submit the application, will they require us to be in the country while they process it for 1-2 years? We wish to stay in Thailand for the next 2-3 years. I'm worried if we need to come back it will cost $4,000 for hotel quarantine for 2 people if immigration needs us here for something. I really don't want to waste $4,000 + flight costs. What about when it's approved and we are overseas. Do we have to be in Australia at any time?

Some bad news for you & you need to read BVA conditions

If GF leaves Auss she will not be able to return - meaning she would have to start a Visa process & good luck with that

Yes she does have to be in Auss when approved 

[organicman]

On 2/1/2021 at 3:57 PM, BEVUP said:

Some bad news for you & you need to read BVA conditions

If GF leaves Auss she will not be able to return - meaning she would have to start a Visa process & good luck with that

Yes she does have to be in Auss when approved 

 

I just called Home Affairs and they said she needs to apply for a BVB where she will be allowed to go back home and come back to Australia.

[BEVUP]

9 minutes ago, organicman said:

 

I just called Home Affairs and they said she needs to apply for a BVB where she will be allowed to go back home and come back to Australia.

They should of given that in the first place 

BUT - I would presume they were thinking about the difficulty of getting back & quarantine availability since she will have to be in Auss on approval - in maybe 2 yrs or so 

No one can predict what is going to happen with CV19 as it changes by the day 

Good Luck

Was it easy to get in touch with Immi 

Make sure you try & get every Doc you can think of & Translated as the Thai embassy in Auss may not be able to do

 

[BEVUP]

41 minutes ago, organicman said:

 

I just called Home Affairs and they said she needs to apply for a BVB where she will be allowed to go back home and come back to Australia.

Just read up on BVB

There seems to be an expiry date (not sure how long ), then you have to renew in Auss (if not granted visa )

THERE'S a catch to the travel

You have to give reason for travel BUT it is at the discretion of Immi for the length of time

IE: So yu get the BVB but Immi may impose a Travel Period 

Lets say BVB March to March 22 - ( 1 yr ) - So during this 12 mths Immi might say you can go March to Sept 21

If you can't get back by Sept - CANCELLED

if you leave after Sept - CANCELLED

 

[organicman]

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[organicman]

I have to ask for page 18 where you have to answer the questions about the relationship, each question has a limit of 2000 words. How many words did you write for each section? I'm finding it hard to write more than 200 words due to being in a de facto relationship where I pay for all bills hence everything is in my name. We don't have anything in our names together.

[BEVUP]

57 minutes ago, organicman said:

I have to ask for page 18 where you have to answer the questions about the relationship, each question has a limit of 2000 words. How many words did you write for each section? I'm finding it hard to write more than 200 words due to being in a de facto relationship where I pay for all bills hence everything is in my name. We don't have anything in our names together.

I read of Google that it doesn't have to be an essay - Not forgetting you are writing on behalf of wife applying 

I'm sure you have to write your story as well

Since GF/ come Defacto (according to Auss law ) you could write that she was visiting on Tourist visa's & didn't seem to need to change financials & now that Home affairs has agreed to allowing GF to apply for PR we both decided to let myself (you) take care of the finances