Retirement extension with multi reentry,, what more required to re-enter

[jonnyscot]

Ok I’m a British National here on an extension based on retirement still almost a year remaining of my extension, I already have the multi re entry permit, but just wondering what the current additional requirements are for returning to thailand, assuming I need a Cert of entry to return, can this be obtained from another country other than home nation? What are the requirements for the COE, ? I shall be traveling to Taiwan for around a month (excluding Taiwan quarantine protocol) on business,

any replies or advice appreciated. 

[ubonjoe]

You can apply for a COE in the country you will be traveling to here from. 

I checked the Thailand Trade and Economic Office website and if is only in Thai or Chinese. Using google translate I could 

not find any info for non Thais entering the country. I suggest you contact them for info.

Info here: https://tteo.thaiembassy.org/th/page/55727-ติดต่อ-|-contact-us-2?menu=5d7dc71915e39c072c004e80

The COE is applied for online here. https://coethailand.mfa.go.th/

You will need covid 19 insurance with $100,000 of coverage valid to the day your re-entry permit expires.

Most embassies are requiring medical insurance that meets the 40/400k coverage that is required for a OA visa even though your original visa was a non-o that will need to valid for the validity of your re-entry permit.

[jonnyscot]

Thanks for the informative reply Joe, Forgive my ignorance since this is first time I have required to use a reentry permit but expiry of reentry permit ? I wasn’t aware there was expiry on this I assumed expiry of multiple reentry permit was valid for the duration of the extension ?

any links to insurance that covers both of these criteria or should I be looking to purchase 2 different insurance policies.  Additionally would it be beneficial to any COE application if I request a new confirmation of residence certificate from immigration on my next 90 day report, 

[ubonjoe]

A re-entry permit expires on the same day as your extension of stay.

Covid 19 insurance here. https://covid19.tgia.org

Insurance required under the OA visa listing. https://longstay.tgia.org/home/companiesoa

[Peter Denis]

This is an example where having bought a Re-Entry Permit is actually more of a burden than an advantage.

In your case when wanting to re-enter Thailand on the Re-Entry Permit that kept the permission to stay 'alive' of the 1-year retirement extension based on your original Non Imm O Visa, you will need to meet 2 insurance requirements:

1 - a 400K/40K health-insurance policy < dead-cheapest policy being the LMG Plan-1 insurance with 200K deductible, which sells for an annual premium of 6.000 to 11.400 THB in the age categories of 51 to 75 years of age >;

2 - a 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance, which you would have to subscribe to for the remaining period on your Re-Entry Permit protected permission to stay (as you wrote, almost 1 year in your case).

 

The alternative - if you hadn't bought the Re-Entry Permit -  would have been to re-enter Thailand VisaExempt (45 days permission to stay) or on a 60-day Tourist Visa.  And then when still having at least 15 days (some IOs require 23 days) left on the permission to stay you received from that VE or TV entry, apply at your local IO for a 90-day Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement.  And in the last month of those 90 days you could then apply at that same local IO for a 1-year extension based on that new Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement.

The advantage of doing the above would be:

- that you would NOT have to subscribe to that 400K/40K health-insurance policy, AND

- that you would only have to subscribe for a 2-month period (instead of 1 year) for that 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance, AND

- that new Non Imm O Visa and subsequent 1-year extension, would reset the date of your current 1-year permission to stay with 3 to 4.5 months.

 

@ubonjoe > Interesting question is whether OP would be allowed to follow that VE or TV-route or whether his still valid Re-Entry Permit would force him to make use of it.

[ubonjoe]

55 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

Interesting question is whether OP would be allowed to follow that VE or TV-route or whether his still valid Re-Entry Permit would force him to make use of it.

For a tourist visa application it would depend upon the embassy where he applies.

For a visa exempt entry entry they would probably insist upon using the re-entry permit since it would allow a stay longer than 45 days.

Getting a new passport would eliminate the problem. Easy to do in their home country in most of them.

[unblocktheplanet]

Hard to teach old dogs new tricks. I've bought multiple re-entry permits along with my extensions of stay for 30 years! I think I won't this time. Let's see what happens next.

 

Hard to know if they want us codgers, many of whom are too old to buy health insurance, or will be be grandfathered in, eventually, by virtue of vaccination or other change in policy. Not holding my breath, though.

[Tuvoc]

Interesting situation, I'd never have thought the re-entry permit would not be the best option. I will probably have to visit the UK later in the year. I think I'll still get one, the cost of the covid insurance and the 400K/40K  vs the hassle of starting everything all over again,  I think I'll just pay the cash. I do have insurance cover in place but no outpatient option so doesn't count. Will give it serious thought.

[jonnyscot]

The 2 insurances are a little confusing to me, understood about the cover as required for the visa type, but the other (covid coverage) insurance my question would be whether this is required to cover also for the full duration of the stay extension, or sufficiently to cover for the quarantine period 

I do have a travel insurance for covid cover that is over 100k USD min coverage, but not sure this would be suitable 

edited to add that I do have 2 British passports that I guess would get me out of the reentry situation, but I may have issues then applying for another visa in Taiwan where I’ll be traveling to and may then have to travel back to Uk for the visa application process again, in that case I’d prefer just to cover the cost of 2 insurances to satisfy the requirements to get the certificate of entry, which again as being a British citizen I’m not yet certain I can get from the thai consulate in Taiwan 

[Tanoshi]

@Johnnyscot

 

If you go to Taiwan, what is being discussed are you meeting Thailand's entry requirements.

 

You'll have to quarantine on return for 15 nights in an ASQ hotel.

Apart from the COE, you'll require;

Booked flight info.

Booked ASQ hotel.

Covid 19 Insurance 100,000 USD.

Health Insurance 400K inpatient,40K outpatient.

Fit to Fly certificate issued 72 hours before boarding

A Covid 19 PCR test taken 72 hours before boarding.

 

Still want to go to Taiwan?

[jonnyscot]

“Still want to go to Taiwan” ?, Of course it’s not ideal, but it’s my job, I’m not sufficiently blessed to rely on internet or similar sources as a means of income, therefore I have to travel  , , and yes I’m aware of the quarantine, facility,

I’ve already entered and spent a stint there, my main concern was whether I can apply in Taiwan for the COE being a British National, rather than travel back to UK and apply then additional costs of flights, also was requesting some clarity of the insurance, which has been mostly provided, only difference from my last entry is that I’m entering on an extension based on retirement this next time 

[ubonjoe]

9 minutes ago, jonnyscot said:

my main concern was whether I can apply in Taiwan for the COE being a British National

Yes you can apply for the COE in Taiwan. Taiwan is your place of origin when you start your trip.

I have already assisted people that were not traveling from their home country and they got their COE from the embassy for where they were starting their trip.

 

[jonnyscot]

On 2/13/2021 at 12:43 PM, Peter Denis said:

This is an example where having bought a Re-Entry Permit is actually more of a burden than an advantage.

In your case when wanting to re-enter Thailand on the Re-Entry Permit that kept the permission to stay 'alive' of the 1-year retirement extension based on your original Non Imm O Visa, you will need to meet 2 insurance requirements:

1 - a 400K/40K health-insurance policy < dead-cheapest policy being the LMG Plan-1 insurance with 200K deductible, which sells for an annual premium of 6.000 to 11.400 THB in the age categories of 51 to 75 years of age >;

2 - a 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance, which you would have to subscribe to for the remaining period on your Re-Entry Permit protected permission to stay (as you wrote, almost 1 year in your case).

 

The alternative - if you hadn't bought the Re-Entry Permit -  would have been to re-enter Thailand VisaExempt (45 days permission to stay) or on a 60-day Tourist Visa.  And then when still having at least 15 days (some IOs require 23 days) left on the permission to stay you received from that VE or TV entry, apply at your local IO for a 90-day Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement.  And in the last month of those 90 days you could then apply at that same local IO for a 1-year extension based on that new Non Imm O Visa for reason of retirement.

The advantage of doing the above would be:

- that you would NOT have to subscribe to that 400K/40K health-insurance policy, AND

- that you would only have to subscribe for a 2-month period (instead of 1 year) for that 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance, AND

- that new Non Imm O Visa and subsequent 1-year extension, would reset the date of your current 1-year permission to stay with 3 to 4.5 months.

 

@ubonjoe > Interesting question is whether OP would be allowed to follow that VE or TV-route or whether his still valid Re-Entry Permit would force him to make use of it.

Just wondering whether a confirmed departing flight ticket from thailand maybe within say 2 to 3 months May reduce the duration requirement for the covid insurance, just a thought? , 

[Tanoshi]

17 minutes ago, jonnyscot said:

Just wondering whether a confirmed departing flight ticket from thailand maybe within say 2 to 3 months May reduce the duration requirement for the covid insurance, just a thought? , 

No. On re-entry to Thailand with a re-entry permit, you'll be stamped in and granted permission of stay until the expiry date of your current extension. The Insurance must cover the period of your stay.

 

You can purchase the required Insurance online before you go to Taiwan, but have it start just before you plan to depart Taiwan. I'd be more concerned on where/how to obtain the Fit to Fly and Covid PCR test within 72 hours of boarding, but hopefully you'll have some English speaking associates that can help you with that.

[Tanoshi]

On 2/13/2021 at 12:43 PM, Peter Denis said:

This is an example where having bought a Re-Entry Permit is actually more of a burden than an advantage.

Or having a valid Non O-A Visa  ????

[Tanoshi]

29 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Or having a valid Non O-A Visa  ????

I'm glad you saw he funny side to that comment Peter.

[Tuvoc]

On 2/12/2021 at 11:10 AM, ubonjoe said:

You will need covid 19 insurance with $100,000 of coverage valid to the day your re-entry permit expires.

Most embassies are requiring medical insurance that meets the 40/400k coverage that is required for a OA visa even though your original visa was a non-o that will need to valid for the validity of your re-entry permit.

 

Has this been a fairly recent change ?  The 40/400k for re-entry even on a standard Non-O ?  When I got my COE in November for my 3 month Non-O entry all I had to provide was insurance that included $100k of Covid cover. I used an ACS policy from a Thai broker.  That provided more than just Covid cover, it was any medical emergency, but no out-patient I don't think. 

[ubonjoe]

10 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

 

Has this been a fairly recent change ?  The 40/400k for re-entry even on a standard Non-O ?  When I got my COE in November for my 3 month Non-O entry all I had to provide was insurance that included $100k of Covid cover. I used an ACS policy from a Thai broker.  That provided more than just Covid cover, it was any medical emergency, but no out-patient I don't think. 

What was your non-o visa based upon. The 40/400k baht insurance is only needed for retirement.

Now to apply for a non-o visa for retermen at a embassy or official consulate requires t that insurance.

[baneko]

Sorry to jump in on the back of this. I have an extension based on marriage - multiple entry. I leave next month for a 3 month hitch offshore. This will no doubt extend possibly to 4 months. When I leave and get my re entry stamp how long is it valid for? Also I will be unable to do a 90 day report as I am out of country. How does this affect the extension?

 

Thanks

[Tanoshi]

39 minutes ago, baneko said:

This will no doubt extend possibly to 4 months. When I leave and get my re entry stamp how long is it valid for?

The re-entry permit is valid to the last day of your extension renewal date.

 

40 minutes ago, baneko said:

Also I will be unable to do a 90 day report as I am out of country. How does this affect the extension?

You only submit a 90 day report if staying continually in Thailand for more than 90 days.

On re-entry your next 90 day report will be due 90 days from your re-entry date.

The day of entry counts as day 1 in the 90 day count.

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, Tuvoc said:

Has this been a fairly recent change ?  The 40/400k for re-entry even on a standard Non-O ? 

The Health Insurance is only required for certain types of Visa entry applications.

It is not required for the Non O Visa application based on Thai wife/family, but is required for a Non O Visa application based on retirement.

 

1 hour ago, Tuvoc said:

When I got my COE in November for my 3 month Non-O entry all I had to provide was insurance that included $100k of Covid cover.

If it's not required for the reason of the Visa application, it's not required for the COE.

The Embassy put a notation on the Visa for the reason of issuance, which you upload as part of the COE registration. They therefore know whether the Health Insurance is required or not to approve the COE.

[bolt]

12 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

The Health Insurance is only required for certain types of Visa entry applications.

It is not required for the Non O Visa application based on Thai wife/family, but is required for a Non O Visa application based on retirement.

would a NON Thai Insurance cover this, or does it have be a Thai insurance company ?

I have a company Health insurance, but its issued outside of Thailand?

[Peter Denis]

4 minutes ago, bolt said:

would a NON Thai Insurance cover this, or does it have be a Thai insurance company ?

I have a company Health insurance, but its issued outside of Thailand?

It depends on your nationality whether the 400K/40K in/out-patient health-insurance requirement now also mandatory for Non Imm O Visa applications for reason of retirement, would be accepted when issued by a foreign/international insurer (accepted by the US Thai Embassy, but not accepted by many other Thai Embassies which insist on Thai insurance for that 400K/40K healht insurance).

NOTE: For meeting the currently - as part of the CoE requirements - also required 100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance for everybody wanting to re-enter Thailand, you can make use both of Thai or foreign/international insurance.

 

[Tuvoc]

1 hour ago, ubonjoe said:

What was your non-o visa based upon. The 40/400k baht insurance is only needed for retirement.

Now to apply for a non-o visa for retirement at a embassy or official consulate requires t that insurance.

 

Based on marriage.  I am confused now.

 

 

For in-country Non-O extensions of stay based on marriage - no insurance required ?

 

For in-country Non-O extensions of stay based on retirement - insurance now required  even where a Non-O was never involved ?

 

When using a re-entry permit based on Non-O extensions of stay based on marriage - no insurance required ?

 

When using a re-entry permit based on Non-O extensions of stay based on retirement - insurance now required  even where a Non-O was never involved ?

 

 

 

 

[Tanoshi]

15 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

For in-country Non-O extensions of stay based on marriage - no insurance required ?

Not required.

 

16 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

For in-country Non-O extensions of stay based on retirement - insurance now required  even where a Non-O was never involved ?

Not required for extension based on 'O' entry, only required for 'O-A' 'O-X' entries.

 

17 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

When using a re-entry permit based on Non-O extensions of stay based on marriage - no insurance required ?

Not required.

 

17 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

When using a re-entry permit based on Non-O extensions of stay based on retirement - insurance now required  even where a Non-O was never involved ?

Only required when re-entering Thailand, not required for subsequent extension renewals.

[Tanoshi]

56 minutes ago, bolt said:

would a NON Thai Insurance cover this, or does it have be a Thai insurance company ?

I have a company Health insurance, but its issued outside of Thailand?

It has to be a Thai approved Insurer.

Some of these approved Insurers are International companies.

[Peter Denis]

16 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

...

For in-country Non-O extensions of stay based on marriage - no insurance required ?

 

For in-country Non-O extensions of stay based on retirement - insurance now required  even where a Non-O was never involved ?

 

When using a re-entry permit based on Non-O extensions of stay based on marriage - no insurance required ?

 

When using a re-entry permit based on Non-O extensions of stay based on retirement - insurance now required  even where a Non-O was never involved ?

For in-country Non-O extensions of stay based on marriage - no insurance required ? >>>  Correct, NO 400K/40K health-insurance required on any Visa or extension application for reason of marriage 

 

For in-country Non-O extensions of stay based on retirement - insurance now required  even where a Non-O was never involved ? >>>  Incorrect, when applying IN COUNTRY at a local IO ONLY a 1-year extension for reason of retirement based on an original Non Imm O-A Visa requires the 400K/40K health-insurance

 

When using a re-entry permit based on Non-O extensions of stay based on marriage - no insurance required ? >>>  Correct, NO 400K/40K health-insurance required on any Visa or extension application for reason of marriage 

 

When using a re-entry permit based on Non-O extensions of stay based on retirement - insurance now required  even where a Non-O was never involved ? >>>  Correct, when applying ABROAD  at a Thai Embassy/Consulate, the 400K/40K health-insurance is now required - as part of the CoE requirements - for a Non Imm O Visa application for reason of retirement, as well as for wanting to re-enter Thailand on a Re-Entry Permit protected permission to stay based on the 1-year retirement extension of stay from an original Non Imm O Visa.

 

= = = =

 

The above is not related to the fact that currently EVERYBODY entering Thailand has to subscribed to a100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance for the period of the permission to stay he will be stamped in for when entering Thailand.

So indeed depending on your Visa choice for entering Thailand, you might have to meet TWO insurance requirements.

[Tuvoc]

8 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

When using a re-entry permit based on Non-O extensions of stay based on retirement - insurance now required  even where a Non-O was never involved ? >>>  Correct, when applying ABROAD  at a Thai Embassy/Consulate, the 400K/40K health-insurance is now required - as part of the CoE requirements - for a Non Imm O Visa application for reason of retirement, as well as for wanting to re-enter Thailand on a Re-Entry Permit protected permission to stay based on the 1-year retirement extension of stay from an original Non Imm O Visa.

 

= = = =

 

The above is not related to the fact that currently EVERYBODY entering Thailand has to subscribed to a100.000 US $ covid-19 treatment insurance for the period of the permission to stay he will be stamped in for when entering Thailand.

So indeed depending on your Visa choice for entering Thailand, you might have to meet TWO insurance requirements.

 

Ah, so if you are able to do a marriage extension that is a better option despite all of the extra paperwork, photos, possible home vists etc. You avoid the need for the 40k/400k insurance on re-entry. There is a very cheap "paper" option available if you are in this position ?

[Tanoshi]

4 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

 

Ah, so if you are able to do a marriage extension that is a belter option despite all of the extra paperwork, photos, possible home vists etc. You avoid the need for the 40k/400k insurance on re-entry. There is a very cheap "paper" option available if you are in this position ?

Visas and extensions based on marriage/Thai family are granted for humanitarian reasons as you have ties to Thailand. The requirements can be less than for those based on retirement, who have no ties to Thailand.

[jonnyscot]

38 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

57 minutes ago, Tuvoc said:

For in-country Non-O extensions of stay based on retirement - insurance now required  even where a Non-O was never involved ?

Not required for extension based on 'O' entry, only required for 'O-A' 'O-X' entries.

 

so just to be clear on my situation, I entered on non imm O type single entry,,, made an extension on retirement at immigration with multi reentry permit, is it correct that I require both insurances firstly to satisfy my period of stay in country, and the covid insurance also to cover the full duration of my stay