Dubai's Sheikha Latifa issues video from 'villa jail'- BBC Panorama

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

Thats what professionals are for. You seem to think kidnapping and deprivation of liberty is ok.

 

If she has issues they should be dealt with properly. How is what the father did helping her?

Different country, different culture. I tried to explain that its normal practice in Arab countries. Foreigners should butt out and not interfere in other countries traditional practices. Their country, their rules. Where have I heard that before on TV? 555 Same. Same.

[Sujo]

12 minutes ago, polpott said:

Different country, different culture. I tried to explain that its normal practice in Arab countries. Foreigners should butt out and not interfere in other countries traditional practices. Their country, their rules. Where have I heard that before on TV? 555 Same. Same.

She wasnt in an arab country when kidnapped.

 

When their traditional practices are against human rights then things should be done.

 

If your neighbors daughter runs into your house saying her father keeps raping her do you just say tough luck, back you go, its your family tradition.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

She wasnt in an arab country when kidnapped.

 

When their traditional practices are against human rights then things should be done.

 

If your neighbors daughter runs into your house saying her father keeps raping her do you just say tough luck, back you go, its your family tradition.

She was in international waters. My cousin was in the UK.

 

Many human rights infringed in Thailand on a mass scale. What's the West doing about it?

 

The Emirati girl, far from being raped by her father, lives in the lap of luxury, in a beautiful villa surrounded by servants. Would you prefer that she was locked in a mental institute? I have visited the national mental institute in Morocco, Berashid, its the size of a town and hell on earth inside the gates, it makes Bedlam look like a holiday resort.

 

Its traditional for Arabs t look after their own with mental health problems, many would say that its preferable to institutionalising them. The girl has been treated exceptionally well by her father.

[Sujo]

12 minutes ago, polpott said:

She was in international waters. My cousin was in the UK.

 

Many human rights infringed in Thailand on a mass scale. What's the West doing about it?

 

The Emirati girl, far from being raped by her father, lives in the lap of luxury, in a beautiful villa surrounded by servants. Would you prefer that she was locked in a mental institute? I have visited the national mental institute in Morocco, Berashid, its the size of a town and hell on earth inside the gates, it makes Bedlam look like a holiday resort.

 

Its traditional for Arabs t look after their own with mental health problems, many would say that its preferable to institutionalising them. The girl has been treated exceptionally well by her father.

How do you know how she is treated?

 

There is no evidence she has mental health problems. Thats just an excuse they use.

 

Even Mary Robinson said she was mislead.

 

She is not in morocco. I dont care if she is being held in buck palace. She was kidnapped and is being held against her will. Her father has form for this. 

 

She was not in an arab country, she was near Goa. She wasnt hurting anyone, let her do what she wants. Or is it your view that she should never be allowed to leave the country unless her father says its ok.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/missing-dubai-princess-sheikha-latifa-bint-mohammed-al-maktoum-re-emerges-in-videos-at-jail-villa/OOFWF2WONUVIRQVD4UOOKLUECU/

Edited February 18, 2021 by Sujo

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

There is no evidence she has mental health problems. Thats just an excuse they use.

 

Even Mary Robinson said she was mislead.

 

She is not in morocco. I dont care if she is being held in buck palace. She was kidnapped and is being held against her will. Her father has form for this. 

 

She was not in an arab country, she was near Goa. She wasnt hurting anyone, let her do what she wants. Or is it your view that she should never be allowed to leave the country unless her father says its ok.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/missing-dubai-princess-sheikha-latifa-bint-mohammed-al-maktoum-re-emerges-in-videos-at-jail-villa/OOFWF2WONUVIRQVD4UOOKLUECU/

There's plenty of evidence that she has mental health problems. Do you have evidence that she hasn't?

 

I repeat that she was in international waters having sailed from Dubai.

 

I do believe that her father believes that he was acting in her best interests and I agree to some extent. Why else would he do what he did?

 

A number of years ago, I met a woman on a diving trip on Phuket. We hit it off, had dinner together and then spent the night at my hotel. She was a member of the Omani royal family. She wasn't mentally ill but a wild child by Omani standards. Her father gave her a generous stipend in order for her to travel the world and indulge in her love of diving, on condition that she never returned to Oman. The Emirati girl's father obviously took the view that she would be a danger to herself if she were allowed to roam free. Up to him.

[simple1]

48 minutes ago, polpott said:

Different country, different culture. I tried to explain that its normal practice in Arab countries. Foreigners should butt out and not interfere in other countries traditional practices. Their country, their rules. Where have I heard that before on TV? 555 Same. Same.

 

Difference being the father committed a criminal offence on UK territory and if convicted in the UK would have been jailed for many years. In other words the father wasn't practising 'when in Rome" as you seem to be arguing. In any case a number of countries are under international pressure to change laws / cultural practices which is achieving, albeit very slowly, positive outcomes for the disenfranchised / oppressed.

[polpott]

3 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Difference being the father committed a criminal offence on UK territory and if convicted in the UK would have been jailed for many years. In other words the father wasn't practising 'when in Rome" as you seem to be arguing.

The girl was in international waters having sailed from Dubai. No involvement of the UK.

[Sujo]

46 minutes ago, polpott said:

The girl was in international waters having sailed from Dubai. No involvement of the UK.

The first time it was done in the uk.

Hence he has form.

[Sujo]

47 minutes ago, polpott said:

The girl was in international waters having sailed from Dubai. No involvement of the UK.

She wasnt in dubai, or any arab country as you asserted. She was kidnapped.

[Sujo]

56 minutes ago, polpott said:

There's plenty of evidence that she has mental health problems. Do you have evidence that she hasn't?

 

I repeat that she was in international waters having sailed from Dubai.

 

I do believe that her father believes that he was acting in her best interests and I agree to some extent. Why else would he do what he did?

 

A number of years ago, I met a woman on a diving trip on Phuket. We hit it off, had dinner together and then spent the night at my hotel. She was a member of the Omani royal family. She wasn't mentally ill but a wild child by Omani standards. Her father gave her a generous stipend in order for her to travel the world and indulge in her love of diving, on condition that she never returned to Oman. The Emirati girl's father obviously took the view that she would be a danger to herself if she were allowed to roam free. Up to him.

I really dont care about your self deflections.

 

No its not up to him. Using your analogy its ok for honor killings. No its not, its disturbing you think that way.

[Sujo]

59 minutes ago, polpott said:

There's plenty of evidence that she has mental health problems. Do you have evidence that she hasn't?

 

I repeat that she was in international waters having sailed from Dubai.

 

I do believe that her father believes that he was acting in her best interests and I agree to some extent. Why else would he do what he did?

 

 

Can you post a link to her mental issues, as stated, mary robinson said she was deceived about it.

 

You have no idea what the father thinks. Those committing honor killings think they are doing the right thing also.

 

 

[polpott]

37 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You have no idea what the father thinks. Those committing honor killings think they are doing the right thing also.

I have been immersed in Arab culture and thinking for most of my life. I think that I have more idea what her father thinks than you do. Honour killings? What on earth does honour killings have to do with this girl's treatment?

[polpott]

49 minutes ago, Sujo said:

I really dont care about your self deflections.

 

No its not up to him. Using your analogy its ok for honor killings. No its not, its disturbing you think that way.

Its disturbing that you have a complete lack of understanding of Arab culture. No you don't care that I've tried to educate you. Too busy getting on your soap box on a subject you know nothing about.

[Sujo]

14 minutes ago, polpott said:

I have been immersed in Arab culture and thinking for most of my life. I think that I have more idea what her father thinks than you do. Honour killings? What on earth does honour killings have to do with this girl's treatment?

So you have no idea what hes thinking.

 

honour killings are done by parents that think they know best. Like you say about her father.

 

 

[Sujo]

8 minutes ago, polpott said:

Its disturbing that you have a complete lack of understanding of Arab culture. No you don't care that I've tried to educate you. Too busy getting on your soap box on a subject you know nothing about.

You have no idea about my experience or what i know. So another assumption from you, just like you assume what the father is doing.

[polpott]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

There is no evidence she has mental health problems. Thats just an excuse they use.

 

Even Mary Robinson said she was mislead.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latifa_bint_Mohammed_Al_Maktoum

According to Mary Robinson, the meeting was arranged by one of the wives of Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Princess Haya, and described Latifa in a BBC Radio 4 interview^[113] as a "troubled young woman" and claiming that she regretted making the earlier video in which she alleged abuse

 

Translating from diplomatic jargon, "troubled young woman" means fruit loop.

 

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

The first time it was done in the uk.

Hence he has form.

Please provide a link. I can find no reference to her ever having been to the UK let alone kidnapped from there.

 

 

Edited February 18, 2021 by polpott

[simple1]

4 hours ago, polpott said:

The girl was in international waters having sailed from Dubai. No involvement of the UK.

I was referring to your story of a family member who was drugged and kidnapped in the UK, arranged by by her Moroccan father - a serious criminal offence which you seem to approve. A surprise to me as your prior posts indicated support for Human Rights. Out of curiosity are you a citizen of a Western democratic country?

Edited February 18, 2021 by simple1

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Self deleted - duplicate post

 

Edited February 18, 2021 by simple1

[polpott]

13 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I was referring to your story of a family member who was drugged and kidnapped in the UK, arranged by by her Moroccan father - a serious criminal offence which you seem to approve. A surprise to me as your prior posts indicated support for Human Rights. Out of curiosity are you a citizen of a Western democratic country?

Her father could not be prosecuted as he was a high ranking member of the Moroccan government and had diplomatic immunity in the UK. I fully approved of his actions as she was impossible to control and a danger to herself and others. No real alternatives to safeguard her. My, father, her uncle, was very relieved when she was taken back to Morocco. In hindsight, she should never have been allowed into the UK in the first place.

[Morch]

There's a whole lot of details, references and summary of events on her Wikipedia page:

 

Latifa bint Mohammed Al Maktoum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latifa_bint_Mohammed_Al_Maktoum

 

Also mentioning a claim that the yacht escape thing might have been some sort of scam.

[Morch]

34 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I was referring to your story of a family member who was drugged and kidnapped in the UK, arranged by by her Moroccan father - a serious criminal offence which you seem to approve. A surprise to me as your prior posts indicated support for Human Rights. Out of curiosity are you a citizen of a Western democratic country?

 

First line from a previous post may explain...

 

3 hours ago, polpott said:

I have been immersed in Arab culture and thinking for most of my life. I think that I have more idea what her father thinks than you do. Honour killings? What on earth does honour killings have to do with this girl's treatment?

 

Personally, I think that there's a difference between understanding cultural differences and endorsing them.

[Morch]

9 hours ago, bendejo said:

Al Arabiya not mentioning this, as expected.  But neither is Al Jazeera (well, not that I could find), which is usually pretty quick to throw shade at their competitor.

 

 

 

Al Jazeera will be playing nice for a few months, I guess. Qatar probably doesn't want to rock the boat just as things were (sort of) settled with Saudi Arabia and others. Officially, they haven't given in to pressures about curbing coverage of such things, but who knows what unofficial understandings were reached. Had a brief look in the Arabic version and nada as well.

[richard_smith237]

39 minutes ago, polpott said:

57 minutes ago, simple1 said:

I was referring to your story of a family member who was drugged and kidnapped in the UK, arranged by by her Moroccan father - a serious criminal offence which you seem to approve. A surprise to me as your prior posts indicated support for Human Rights. Out of curiosity are you a citizen of a Western democratic country?

Her father could not be prosecuted as he was a high ranking member of the Moroccan government and had diplomatic immunity in the UK. I fully approved of his actions as she was impossible to control and a danger to herself and others. No real alternatives to safeguard her. My, father, her uncle, was very relieved when she was taken back to Morocco. In hindsight, she should never have been allowed into the UK in the first place.

 

I would hardly expect a poster who names himself polpott (Pol Pot) to be a personal bastion of human rights support. 

 

Quite correctly you (simple1) questioned whether or not the poster in question was a citizen of a Western Democratic Country. Often a touchy and delicate subject, but it is often those with strong ties to non-western / non-democratic countries who’s viewpoints are often myopic and masked by the idealoy of the country, religion and regime to which they have ties. These very same regimes to which they have ties have very poor human rights records when viewed through the lens of Western civilisation.

[simple1]

57 minutes ago, Morch said:

<SNIP>

Personally, I think that there's a difference between understanding cultural differences and endorsing them.

 

From the member's post above...

 

"I fully approved of his actions" each to their own. but living in the UK i would have thought reference to professional care more appropriate in Western culture, rather than drugging and forced return to Morocco which we know is a serious criminal offence, with diplomatic relations consequences,  no matter the diplomatic status of the offender.

Edited February 18, 2021 by simple1

[voulez vous]

She is beautiful woman.

 

If I was with her, she would be happy. She wouldn't want to leave; except for France with me.

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, polpott said:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latifa_bint_Mohammed_Al_Maktoum

According to Mary Robinson, the meeting was arranged by one of the wives of Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Princess Haya, and described Latifa in a BBC Radio 4 interview^[113] as a "troubled young woman" and claiming that she regretted making the earlier video in which she alleged abuse

 

Translating from diplomatic jargon, "troubled young woman" means fruit loop.

 

Please provide a link. I can find no reference to her ever having been to the UK let alone kidnapped from there.

 

 

Fruit loop. To which mary robinson said she was horribly tricked and the girl does not have bi polar

 

I have friends that are bi polar and they are not fruit loops anyway.

 

https://www.independent.ie/news/mary-robinson-says-she-feels-horribly-tricked-by-the-family-of-dubais-princess-latifa-40098707.html

[Morch]

26 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

From the member's post above...

 

"I fully approved of his actions" each to their own. but living in the UK i would have thought reference to professional care more appropriate in Western culture, rather than drugging and forced return to Morocco which we know is a serious criminal offence, with diplomatic relations consequences,  no matter the diplomatic status of the offender.

 

For starters, I'm inclined to take certain stories with a grain of salt.

 

Wonder if placing a foreign national with mental health issues, in a facility located at the host country is fully conductive to treatment. Barriers of language, culture differences and stress could certainly figure into it. Not saying I condone the kidnapping option or see it as legit, just that there aren't always perfect answers for each and every situation. Doubt either the alleged relative or the Princess could/would receive proper mental health care in their respective countries.

 

One thing that the poster said does relate to previous comments made. There is a strong element of saving face (or honor, whatever), often handled by hiding/removing the "problem". An earlier post suggested part of the "solution" was publicly shaming and shunning the father. Trouble with that is the reference point of such leaders is domestic. Being perceived as a barbarian by Westerns can be handled, being seen as weak by his own people, could be dangerous.