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I'm currently working in a school and i'm on a non-b visa while working on my teaching license.
The thing is, the ministry of education says that my degree is not certified according to Thailand standards, so they are not giving me a teaching license. (Anyone knows about this standars?)

 

Has anyone been in a similar situation? What other option did you find?

 

My school says that i should pay for a ED visa and i will still be available to continue working for them, but i'm wondering if there is another option. 

One friend said something about a tutoring visa.... hope someone can help me. Thanks!

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The question about the teachers license need to asked in the teaching in Thailand forum.

You have to have a work permit to work as a teacher.

You cannot get work permit with a non-ed visa and a tutoring visa or extension of stay does not exist.

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25 minutes ago, johanna universe said:

my degree is not certified according to Thailand standards, so they are not giving me a teaching license. (Anyone knows about this standars?)

As you do not say type degree; for what; from who and what evidence has been shown it is a bit hard to answer - expect Thailand may believe it is of below type without better proof.

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1 hour ago, johanna universe said:

I'm currently working in a school and i'm on a non-b visa while working on my teaching license.
The thing is, the ministry of education says that my degree is not certified according to Thailand standards, so they are not giving me a teaching license. (Anyone knows about this standars?)

 

Has anyone been in a similar situation? What other option did you find?

 

My school says that i should pay for a ED visa and i will still be available to continue working for them, but i'm wondering if there is another option. 

One friend said something about a tutoring visa.... hope someone can help me. Thanks!

 

Don't listen to the school, working on an ED visa will land you in a ton of hot water when immigration come to check your school.

 

Which country are you from? The process differs greatly. For the UK, follow these steps. Should take around a month to complete:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/714089/Legalisation_info_June_2018.pdf

 

Make sure you have copies in the school and can show the immigration officers that you are waiting for documents to be processed should they come knocking whilst waiting. Hopefully you have enough time to get this done.

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You could have it “certified” or “verified” by your embassy. Different embassies have different ways of dealing with this. At the US Embassy, you fill out and sign an affidavit swearing that your degree is legitimate, which their notary officer then signs and stamps. You then take this to the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to have this translated and stamped by them. This can then be accepted by Thai authorities. This is what I’ve done.

 

Note this now means that if your degree is fake, you’ll have to answer to both your and the Thai govt.

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Yeah, working on an ED visa is definitely not a good idea! I’d rather go back home, if I was you! It’s not worth the hassle and it’s not even a question of if you get caught, but when! 

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16 hours ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

You could have it “certified” or “verified” by your embassy. Different embassies have different ways of dealing with this. At the US Embassy, you fill out and sign an affidavit swearing that your degree is legitimate, which their notary officer then signs and stamps. You then take this to the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to have this translated and stamped by them. This can then be accepted by Thai authorities. This is what I’ve done.

 

Note this now means that if your degree is fake, you’ll have to answer to both your and the Thai govt.

This is not true. My degree was apostilled and had stamps from a  notary and letter from the Secretary or the State in America. Legal and valid in any other country in the world..  Yet, refused by krunsapa because the university I went to for my degree was no longer listed as an accredited school. He is SOL unless he works illegally which I would not suggest at all. Immigration regularly check all schools for illegal foreigners working there. I moved to China and work there legally as a teacher now. Teachers get more respect there anyway and are paid triple what Thailand pays. 

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17 hours ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

You could have it “certified” or “verified” by your embassy. Different embassies have different ways of dealing with this. At the US Embassy, you fill out and sign an affidavit swearing that your degree is legitimate, which their notary officer then signs and stamps. You then take this to the Thai Ministry of Foreign Affairs, to have this translated and stamped by them. This can then be accepted by Thai authorities. This is what I’ve done.

 

Note this now means that if your degree is fake, you’ll have to answer to both your and the Thai govt.

This is not true. The US Embassy in Thailand does not certify or notarize educational documents anymore. Is says this clear as a bell on their website. 

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17 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

This is not true. The US Embassy in Thailand does not certify or notarize educational documents anymore. Is says this clear as a bell on their website. 

Nothing new but they will allow you to complete a blank affidavit stating it is true and correct that most most Thai authorities will accept as a certification of it.

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20 minutes ago, thesetat2013 said:

This is not true. The US Embassy in Thailand does not certify or notarize educational documents anymore. Is says this clear as a bell on their website. 

Above this I wrote something to the effect of "I solemnly swear I possess a legitimate degree in X from university X, etc." Yes, they didn't even want to look at the degree, and that's not what what they're actually verifying. But what they are notarizing is your affidavit that you swear your degree is legitimate. This was then accepted by the Thai MFA, then the labor office, and then khurusapha. At least two other teachers at my school have done this, as have others I've seen posting on the Internet. Hope this is clear enough.

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Note on the Embassy certification of a document....If you swear to that affidavit that the information

is true and correct, if it is later found to be false you are liable for a prison sentence and fine for lying 

to a government official.  If as you say all the documentation is accurate then you would have no

problem with doing it this way.

 

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Maybe it is too late for you to do this. But when I was in the USA and knew I was coming to Thailand, I was told by my school that if you go to a foreign country, that they might not recognize my degree as legit. As to them it's just a piece of paper that I might of created using my computer. So my school suggested that I get my degree "apostille", stamped by a notary and include a letter from the Sec of State. I paid a fee and my school handled everything for me. It took about two weeks.

So when I came to Thailand five years ago, presented to the University, I had no issues at all. But since you are already hear, i would take the advice of "Ubonjoe" about going to the US Embassy or consulate.

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3 minutes ago, Crazy Noobie said:

But since you are already hear, i would take the advice of "Ubonjoe" about going to the US Embassy or consulate.

Ubonjoe corrected information from an incorrect post.  We do not even know the nationality of the original poster.  

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4 hours ago, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

Above this I wrote something to the effect of "I solemnly swear I possess a legitimate degree in X from university X, etc." Yes, they didn't even want to look at the degree, and that's not what what they're actually verifying. But what they are notarizing is your affidavit that you swear your degree is legitimate. This was then accepted by the Thai MFA, then the labor office, and then khurusapha. At least two other teachers at my school have done this, as have others I've seen posting on the Internet. Hope this is clear enough.

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specific to the US Embassy ....  what one does is essentially a SELF-certification... YOU are stating, under penalty of perjury, that your statement (whatever that is on the form) is true and correct.

 

True, some places and agencies might accept this... but it is fair and correct to note that this process (again, specific to the US embassy) is NOT a certification/verification by the degree-granting school itself nor any a certification/verification by any governmental agency or instrumentality attesting to the legitimacy of the degree itself.

 

I was required to present an original degree and TOR to my employer and they knew the US process and required it be stamped by the Sec of State (state level) the US DoS Office of Authentifications , then finally the Thai Embassy (Legalization) 

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