Earliest length of time to apply for STV?

[OxKing033]

Hi everyone,

 

Been doing more research in regards to the Special Tourist Visa but was wondering would 4 weeks before departure of flight be too early to apply for it OR would 3 weeks be a safer bet? Still pretty new in regards to understanding when the Start Date of a  thai visa occurs.

[Salerno]

Why are you looking at an STV? It's about to finish, easier options but depends on how long you intend to stay and where you come from.

 

4 weeks before is not an issue.

[ubonjoe]

A SYV is valid to use for entry to the for 3 months from the date it is issued to get a 90 day permit to stay.

[OxKing033]

7 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Why are you looking at an STV? It's about to finish, easier options but depends on how long you intend to stay and where you come from.

 

4 weeks before is not an issue.

That's a big relief about the 4 weeks deal. Thought if applying for it too early would cut down on the length of time the visa is active.

 

I figured to do the STV as i'm in my 30s and my intention was to stay between 6 to 9 months. I saw the Tourist Visa but even with the initial 60 days and extensions...wouldn't it really only last 90-120 days at most with the c0vid extensions?

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

A SYV is valid to use for entry to the for 3 months from the date it is issued to get a 90 day permit to stay.

Ohhh...it starts the date you enter thailand?

 

 

[ubonjoe]

2 minutes ago, OxKing033 said:

Ohhh...it starts the date you enter thailand?

No

The is valid for 3 months after the day is it issued at a embassy or consulate. You can use the visa to enter the country up to the day it expires and get the 90 day entry it allows.

[Salerno]

2 minutes ago, OxKing033 said:

my intention was to stay between 6 to 9

 

You won't get that with the STV, depending on when you fly you might get 6 months but no way to get 9 from it (if you arrive after 3 July you'll only get 3 months).

[OxKing033]

2 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

No

The is valid for 3 months after the day is it issued at a embassy or consulate. You can use the visa to enter the country up to the day it expires and get the 90 day entry it allows.

That clears things up for me. Thanks!

 

2 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

You won't get that with the STV, depending on when you fly you might get 6 months but no way to get 9 from it (if you arrive after 3 July you'll only get 3 months).

I see now...That's what i suspected due to the September 30th date, was def aiming to fly before July 3rd. Much obliged!

[ubonjoe]

1 minute ago, OxKing033 said:

I see now...That's what i suspected due to the September 30th date, was def aiming to fly before July 3rd. Much obliged!

The is what a announcement done by immigration states.

[Salerno]

2 minutes ago, OxKing033 said:

I see now...That's what i suspected due to the September 30th date, was def aiming to fly before July 3rd. Much obliged!

 

555 We've had this conversation before I think ... depending on how risk averse you are, you could enter visa exempt (saves the hassle on a lot of paperwork) and go for a visa in-country (volunteer visa seems to be flavour of the month at around 35-45K).

[OxKing033]

2 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

555 We've had this conversation before I think ... depending on how risk averse you are, you could enter visa exempt (saves the hassle on a lot of paperwork) and go for a visa in-country (volunteer visa seems to be flavour of the month at around 35-45K).

Oh yeah! I thought your avatar looked familiar haha. Going for visa in country does seem quite risky lol

 

6 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The is what a announcement done by immigration states.

Figured as much, with that being the "final" extension. 

[Salerno]

1 minute ago, OxKing033 said:

Going for visa in country does seem quite risky lol

 

Not that risky really, people doing them all the time. The risk is a sudden crackdown happens but that's not exactly common.

[OxKing033]

4 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Not that risky really, people doing them all the time. The risk is a sudden crackdown happens but that's not exactly common.

Oh does that strategy also relate to extending a TR?

[Salerno]

6 minutes ago, OxKing033 said:

Oh does that strategy also relate to extending a TR?

 

Getting an extension, you are eligible for is not an issue (e.g. the 30 day extension to the 45 day visa exempt). Changing to a somewhat "dodgy" type of visa doesn't appear to be that much of an issue either (at this time).

Edited April 17, 2021 by Salerno

[DrJack54]

Enter visa exempt then obtain 30 day extension followed by 60 day covid extensions.

[OxKing033]

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

Enter visa exempt then obtain 30 day extension followed by 60 day covid extensions.

Aren't 60 day COVID extensions going to be ending in like a month or so?

 

10 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Getting an extension, you are eligible for is not an issue (e.g. the 30 day extension to the 45 day visa exempt). Changing to a somewhat "dodgy" type of visa doesn't appear to be that much of an issue either (at this time).

Oh ok, as long as its not all that big of deal....def another option for sure

[ubonjoe]

5 minutes ago, OxKing033 said:

Aren't 60 day COVID extensions going to be ending in like a month or so?

The order for them will probably be extended again from the end of May for another 2 months.

[DrJack54]

9 minutes ago, OxKing033 said:

Aren't 60 day COVID extensions going to be ending in like a month or so?

Where did you read/hear that. 

Only a guess but don't think they will stop until borders open.

Edited April 17, 2021 by DrJack54

[OxKing033]

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Where did you read/hear that. 

Only a guess but don't think they will stop until borders open.

Just an assumption on my part due to the vacc most likely arriving not too long from now.

 

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The order for them will probably be extended again from the end of May for another 2 months.

Thanks for the info, covid extension info is relatively new to me 

[Tanoshi]

20 hours ago, OxKing033 said:

Just an assumption on my part due to the vacc most likely arriving not too long from now.

They haven't even started rolling out the vaccines to the general populous yet.

Last I heard the plan was to start June and hopefully 50% vaccinated by the end of the year.

Can't see borders reopening anytime this year.

 

21 hours ago, OxKing033 said:

Thanks for the info, covid extension info is relatively new to me 

Covid extensions for 60 days at a time. which in my opinion will continue until borders reopen.

 

Extensions for STV will cease end of September.

TV will grant you a stay of 60 days on entry.

VE will currently grant a stay of 45 days on entry.

Both can be extended by 30 days > 60 day Covid extensions.

[Tanoshi]

22 hours ago, OxKing033 said:

Ohhh...it starts the date you enter thailand?

The period of visa validity is different from the period of stay.

 

Visa validity is the period during which a visa can be used to enter Thailand. In general, the validity of a visa is 3 months, but in some cases, visas may be issued to be valid for 6 months, 1 year, or more. The validity of a visa is granted with discretion by the Royal Thai Embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General and is displayed on the visa sticker.

 

The period of stay is granted by an immigration officer upon arrival at the port of entry and in accordance with the type of visa. For example, the period of stay for a transit visa is not exceeding 30 days, for a tourist visa is not exceeding 60 days and for a non-immigrant visa is not exceeding 90 or 365 days from the arrival date. The period of stay granted by the immigration officer is displayed on the arrival stamp. Travellers who wish to stay longer than such period may apply for an extensions of stay at offices of the Immigration Bureau located in the provinces.

[OxKing033]

 

 

On 4/17/2021 at 10:04 PM, Tanoshi said:

They haven't even started rolling out the vaccines to the general populous yet.

Last I heard the plan was to start June and hopefully 50% vaccinated by the end of the year.

Can't see borders reopening anytime this year.

 

Covid extensions for 60 days at a time. which in my opinion will continue until borders reopen.

 

Extensions for STV will cease end of September.

TV will grant you a stay of 60 days on entry.

VE will currently grant a stay of 45 days on entry.

Both can be extended by 30 days > 60 day Covid extensions.

Seems like their progress will take a bit longer than many western countries(especially US). Doesn't suprise me in that case of the 60 day extensions.

 

 

On 4/17/2021 at 10:11 PM, Tanoshi said:

The period of visa validity is different from the period of stay.

 

Visa validity is the period during which a visa can be used to enter Thailand. In general, the validity of a visa is 3 months, but in some cases, visas may be issued to be valid for 6 months, 1 year, or more. The validity of a visa is granted with discretion by the Royal Thai Embassy or Royal Thai Consulate-General and is displayed on the visa sticker.

 

The period of stay is granted by an immigration officer upon arrival at the port of entry and in accordance with the type of visa. For example, the period of stay for a transit visa is not exceeding 30 days, for a tourist visa is not exceeding 60 days and for a non-immigrant visa is not exceeding 90 or 365 days from the arrival date. The period of stay granted by the immigration officer is displayed on the arrival stamp. Travellers who wish to stay longer than such period may apply for an extensions of stay at offices of the Immigration Bureau located in the provinces.

 

I was very confused thinking the visa expiration date was a "departure" from Thailand date regardless of when you arrive but i understand now that its the date of validity of when u enter and length of stay. In that case, for a TR visa...the date they would need to get the first extension(first example) would be by 60 days after first arrival?

 

Thanks!! The members on this forum have been super helpful. ????

 

Edited April 19, 2021 by OxKing033

[Tanoshi]

23 minutes ago, OxKing033 said:

I was very confused thinking the visa expiration date was a "departure" from Thailand date regardless of when you arrive but i understand now that its the date of validity of when u enter and length of stay. In that case, for a TR visa...the date they would need to get the first extension(first example) would be by 60 days after first arrival?

Visa conditions vary by Country.

A visitor Visa for the UK is valid for 6 months, during which time you can enter, but it is also the time you are permitted to stay, so entering 3 month after the Visa was issued only allows you a stay of 3 months.

 

In Thailand's case the validity of the Visa and the validity of your permission of stay are different.

The validity of the Visa being the first and last dates you can enter.

The permission of stay is granted by Immigration on entry, dependant on the method of entry.

Visa exempt > 30 day entry (currently 45 due to Covid and quarantine periods).

Tourist Visa valid 90 days > 60 days on entry.

Non O Visa valid 90 days > 90 days on entry

Non O-A Visa valid 1 year > 365 days on entry.

Certain Visa types can also have multiple entries.

[OxKing033]

13 minutes ago, Tanoshi said:

Visa conditions vary by Country.

A visitor Visa for the UK is valid for 6 months, during which time you can enter, but it is also the time you are permitted to stay, so entering 3 month after the Visa was issued only allows you a stay of 3 months.

 

In Thailand's case the validity of the Visa and the validity of your permission of stay are different.

The validity of the Visa being the first and last dates you can enter.

The permission of stay is granted by Immigration on entry, dependant on the method of entry.

Visa exempt > 30 day entry (currently 45 due to Covid and quarantine periods).

Tourist Visa valid 90 days > 60 days on entry.

Non O Visa valid 90 days > 90 days on entry

Non O-A Visa valid 1 year > 365 days on entry.

Certain Visa types can also have multiple entries.

Very good info! So much easier to understand now. Also am starting to look at the Non O visa

Edited April 19, 2021 by OxKing033

[Tanoshi]

1 hour ago, OxKing033 said:

Very good info! So much easier to understand now. Also am starting to look at the Non O visa

Being under 50 you cannot apply for the Non O.

It is only available to those over 50 based on retirement, or those married or having Thai family.

 

A TV will grant you 60 days on entry, which you can extend for 30 days = 90 days.

Beyond that you'd have to leave and re-enter to stay longer, or apply for a 60 day Covid extension.

Some who entered VE or TV over 12 months ago are still here using the Covid 60 day extensions.

At some point in time this situation will change, but when is the million dollar question.

 

The STV will grant you a stay of 90 days on entry and provide you entered before the end of June, you'll be able to extend that for another 90 days = 180 days, until the end of December, then 60 day Covid extensions for as long as they are available.

 

For what it's worth, you could enter VE, grants a stay of 45 days, extend for 30 = 75 days, then 60 day Covid extensions.  There are Pros and Cons for each.

Edited April 19, 2021 by Tanoshi

[OxKing033]

10 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

Being under 50 you cannot apply for the Non O.

It is only available to those over 50 based on retirement, or those married or having Thai family.

 

A TV will grant you 60 days on entry, which you can extend for 30 days = 90 days.

Beyond that you'd have to leave and re-enter to stay longer, or apply for a 60 day Covid extension.

Some who entered VE or TV over 12 months ago are still here using the Covid 60 day extensions.

At some point in time this situation will change, but when is the million dollar question.

 

The STV will grant you a stay of 90 days on entry and provide you entered before the end of June, you'll be able to extend that for another 90 days = 180 days, until the end of December, then 60 day Covid extensions for as long as they are available.

 

For what it's worth, you could enter VE, grants a stay of 45 days, extend for 30 = 75 days, then 60 day Covid extensions.  There are Pros and Cons for each.

My bad, i meant to say the ED Visa(confused it with the non immigrantion O visa). That person you mentioned, he's really had atleast 3 covid extensions and immigration hasn't said anything? Def leaning toward the TR and VE at this point due to how restrictive the STV actually is

Edited April 19, 2021 by OxKing033

[racram]

On 4/17/2021 at 11:07 AM, ubonjoe said:

The is what a announcement done by immigration states.

Hello. 

 

I entered on an STV on the 5th of April, I'm stamped in until the 3rd of July. My 1st extension should take me through to the 1st of October. 

 

Am I correct in thinking that based on the announcement posted above, as long as I make my second extension before the 30th of September I should be ok to receive the second extension with another 90 day?

[ubonjoe]

10 hours ago, racram said:

Am I correct in thinking that based on the announcement posted above, as long as I make my second extension before the 30th of September I should be ok to receive the second extension with another 90 day?

That is correct.