Animal Cruelty

[Tywais]

Usually we let our Golden outside for short periods each day to exercise. Rarely will he come back late but didn't show up all night last night. When he came back there was a coat hanger tied around his back leg. It is absolutely impossible for it to be an accident because it was wrapped around tight and crimped down with pliers. Looked nearly like a snare but the wire is too heavy to close that tight. Lower circulation was nearly cut off and after spending 15 minutes cutting it off (the wire), his leg is red and raw at that point and the joint swollen to about twice normal size.

He is walking alright with some tenderness but will watch the swelling for a few hours. Reason for the post is just to remind members to be watchful of their pets, fortunately he was not poisoned as one of our other dogs was, but this is not a good sign.

[Nienke]

Usually we let our Golden outside for short periods each day to exercise. Rarely will he come back late but didn't show up all night last night. When he came back there was a coat hanger tied around his back leg. It is absolutely impossible for it to be an accident because it was wrapped around tight and crimped down with pliers. Looked nearly like a snare but the wire is too heavy to close that tight. Lower circulation was nearly cut off and after spending 15 minutes cutting it off (the wire), his leg is red and raw at that point and the joint swollen to about twice normal size.

He is walking alright with some tenderness but will watch the swelling for a few hours. Reason for the post is just to remind members to be watchful of their pets, fortunately he was not poisoned as one of our other dogs was, but this is not a good sign.

Wow, sorry to read that. It's amazing (disgusting) what people can do to an animal.

You write that another dog of yours was poisoned, that was in the same area? If so, i really would watch out with your dogs, and maybe don't let them go out un-supervised anymore.

Nienke

[Tywais]

Talked to my wife about this (and of course she was quite upset about it) and she feels it wasn't someone in the moo bahn but outside of it. Behind our house is all rice fields and several shacks plus another poor area near by. She suspects someone was trying to steal him for sell or even worse, to eat him. I didn't think that happened in Chiangmai (doggie meals) but she indicates quite a few in the Hang Dong (near Chiangmai) do.

Well, he's not going to have as much freedom now as he used to and will be accompanied on his exercise times.

[Nienke]

Talked to my wife about this (and of course she was quite upset about it) and she feels it wasn't someone in the moo bahn but outside of it. Behind our house is all rice fields and several shacks plus another poor area near by. She suspects someone was trying to steal him for sell or even worse, to eat him. I didn't think that happened in Chiangmai (doggie meals) but she indicates quite a few in the Hang Dong (near Chiangmai) do.

Well, he's not going to have as much freedom now as he used to and will be accompanied on his exercise times.

Oh, yeh, unfortunately, your wife is completely right. There is a lot of stealing going around (and from what i've heard, rumors, they're sold in Thailand or exported to China) and there are many who eat dog meat in Chiang Mai. Just watch a newly road victim, within an hour it's gone (if it's a dog, I mean ) Faham and Hang Dong are 'famous' for their dog markets. Care for Dog and Lanna Dog Rescue can tell you ALL about it.

Nienke

[Jet Gorgon]

Really sorry to hear that, Tywais. Hope he is OK now.

It looks like you'll be getting more walking exercise everyday.

[endure]

You can buy a little plastic bag of doggie curry in many of the markets round Chiang Mai. I'm normally a fairly placid man but if I ever caught anyone mistreating a dog like like that I'd horsewhip the b*astards till they were red raw and couldn't walk.

[MTW]

I guess you don't need to hear this, Tywais, since you say you will reform, but really no matter how much you like Thai culture, if you do, please don't take on "thai ways" re dog care.

I see my neighbors, letting their dogs out of their very larged fenced-in yards everyday, to freely cruise around the area, I think because maybe they think it is better to have their dogs poo somewhere they won't have to clean. To me, this is the same as letting a 3 year old kid out to roam for a couple of hours. There are so many hazards out there. Besides the traffic, they may get into dog fights, will surely be making unwanted puppies if he is not fixed, poison is sometimes laid out to get rid of some of the soi dogs, sometimes they eat rotten dead things/old garbage which can make them very ill, as well as that especially with a purebred dog, people will view him as valuable, for any number of things.

If you don't like to walk with your dog, you can play ball and other games with him to give him some exercise and stay on your own property, and also if your dog lives with other dogs, they can get plenty of exercise playing with their pals.

[cmsally]

I must say I would never let my dog out unattended. Too many things that could happen to it.

At the more grizzly end is the dog meat trade which does go on - Sanpatong is the famous district.

If a pedigree more likely to get stolen for sale.

Dogs also get regularly poisoned and my dog would eat anything she finds on the street , not to mention she would go with anyone that was nice to her.

So dog stays at home or goes out accompanied.

[Tywais]

I must say I would never let my dog out unattended. Too many things that could happen to it.

I understand what you are saying cmsally, we just got too complacent and assuming that all our neighbors knows us and the Golden here and probably wasn't a problem (and quite unlikely it was one of them). The other thing is that my wife's sister is staying with us at the moment and she needs to understand the rules for she's the one who let him out, though I doubt that will be an issue anymore after this incident.

I examined the wire more closely and it was an insulated electrical wire setup as a noose. Suspect that they got his leg in it but he is a VERY big Golden (not fat either) and believe he fought his way free and in the process tightened the noose very tight. Took about 24 hours, but the swelling is nearly gone - he still favors the leg only slightly and licks the raw point where the wire was.

Definitely a lesson learned and thanks for listening.

He is a pedigree and ear tattooed. Mentioned about getting a RFID implanted to my wife and her comment 'they'll eat that too'.

[colino]

I have had 2 dogs since being in thailand ,

first one was just 6 months old and stolen from my drive most likely ended up at chat u chak market ,he was worth about 4-5000 baht??

second one was poisend along with six otheres in my area she was 4 months old

also i know of a school that payed the security guard 100 baht per dog that he killed ,

This realy bugs me (i could use stronger words),

the king is a dog lover and told the thais to do the same and love and care for the dogs, hence the story and statue of thailands most famous dog thong dang

[Old Man River]

Usually we let our Golden outside for short periods each day to exercise. Rarely will he come back late but didn't show up all night last night. When he came back there was a coat hanger tied around his back leg. It is absolutely impossible for it to be an accident because it was wrapped around tight and crimped down with pliers. Looked nearly like a snare but the wire is too heavy to close that tight. Lower circulation was nearly cut off and after spending 15 minutes cutting it off (the wire), his leg is red and raw at that point and the joint swollen to about twice normal size.

He is walking alright with some tenderness but will watch the swelling for a few hours. Reason for the post is just to remind members to be watchful of their pets, fortunately he was not poisoned as one of our other dogs was, but this is not a good sign.

I am very happy to hear Jedi is doing better. These are obviously very cruel people, and it is good to hear that Jedi was able to outsmart them and get away.

[cmsally]

Actually this subject caught my eye, as I was in a local restaurant for take away khanom saen and many local people sitting there having lunch. The 2 men just by me were obviously brainstorming ideas for making a bit of money (local economy not too good at the moment). and they started to discuss (after a few other things) breeding golden retrievers. They were going into start up costs and talking about how popular goldens were. My ears pricked up and I was thinking about what fate my dog would meet if someone stole her as she is very good looking and female but also neutered. They were not happy thoughts. Anyway this post came up just 2 days after, also Chiang Mai. Coincidence? Who knows?

[November Rain]

I know for a fact Goldens are stolen for breeding/to order here in HH. I get regular calls from distressed owners hoping against hope that their dog has run away or even got injured & we have taken it in. It's heartbreaking to have to tell them it's virtually a dead cert that their dog was stolen & they won't see it again. So sad. Glad yours escaped that fate, Tywais!

[Tywais]

I know for a fact Goldens are stolen for breeding/to order here in HH. I get regular calls from distressed owners hoping against hope that their dog has run away or even got injured & we have taken it in. It's heartbreaking to have to tell them it's virtually a dead cert that their dog was stolen & they won't see it again. So sad. Glad yours escaped that fate, Tywais!

Thanks November. Ours is 4 years old now and my wife used to hire him out for breeding. A successful litter fetched 5,000 Baht! Talked to the wife about perhaps we should consider neutering him now because that has been the driving force for him to wonder too far - females in heat. Any thoughts?

[Nienke]

I know for a fact Goldens are stolen for breeding/to order here in HH. I get regular calls from distressed owners hoping against hope that their dog has run away or even got injured & we have taken it in. It's heartbreaking to have to tell them it's virtually a dead cert that their dog was stolen & they won't see it again. So sad. Glad yours escaped that fate, Tywais!

Thanks November. Ours is 4 years old now and my wife used to hire him out for breeding. A successful litter fetched 5,000 Baht! Talked to the wife about perhaps we should consider neutering him now because that has been the driving force for him to wonder too far - females in heat. Any thoughts?

Although, I'm not in favor of spay or neuter pet dogs for health reasons, IF the dog or bitch is closely supervised and/or always in an enclosed area.

From what I understand from your mails your dog has enjoyed on several occasions the freedom at the other side of your fence. He will certainly try again when he gets a chance again, especially when he smells a female in heat. Therefore I suggest to neuter him. Further, a neutered dog is much less interesting for thieves, I assume.

And breeding alone for the money is certainly something I do not favor.

But best of all, is to keep your dog inside your garden and keep your gate locked, because I know from dog owners where their dog was stolen out of the garden.

Just my two cents,

Nienke

Edited May 21, 2007 by Nienke

[Mossfinn]

but if I ever caught anyone mistreating a dog like like that I'd horsewhip the b*astards till they were red raw and couldn't walk.

My sentiments entirely!!

Took about 24 hours, but the swelling is nearly gone - he still favors the leg only slightly and licks the raw point where the wire was.

Glad to hear of the recovery Tywais, I just cannot comprehend why this has to happen.

Good Luck and further recovery to your Golden

Moss

[November Rain]

I know for a fact Goldens are stolen for breeding/to order here in HH. I get regular calls from distressed owners hoping against hope that their dog has run away or even got injured & we have taken it in. It's heartbreaking to have to tell them it's virtually a dead cert that their dog was stolen & they won't see it again. So sad. Glad yours escaped that fate, Tywais!

Thanks November. Ours is 4 years old now and my wife used to hire him out for breeding. A successful litter fetched 5,000 Baht! Talked to the wife about perhaps we should consider neutering him now because that has been the driving force for him to wonder too far - females in heat. Any thoughts?

Although, I'm not in favor of spay or neuter pet dogs for health reasons, IF the dog or bitch is closely supervised and/or always in an enclosed area.

From what I understand from your mails your dog has enjoyed on several occasions the freedom at the other side of your fence. He will certainly try again when he gets a chance again, especially when he smells a female in heat. Therefore I suggest to neuter him. Further, a neutered dog is much less interesting for thieves, I assume.

And breeding alone for the money is certainly something I do not favor.

But best of all, is to keep your dog inside your garden and keep your gate locked, because I know from dog owners where their dog was stolen out of the garden.

Just my two cents,

Nienke

Don't believe it! Nienke & I agree on a case of neutering!! No, seriously, we both see it from different sides of the coin due to differing aspects of work & the types of dogs we deal with. But, Nienke has really answered for me in this case; to stop your dog from wandering after bitches in heat - yes! And to help prevent him getting stolen (very easy to see whether a male has been neutered & is, therefore, worthless to thieves) - yes! That would be my recommendation, regardless of my feelings about population control.

[Tywais]

That would be my recommendation, regardless of my feelings about population control.

Thanks November and Nienke. I'll discuss it with my wife (as soon as I can uncross my legs and that chill down my back stops).

[elfe]

I guess you don't need to hear this, Tywais, since you say you will reform, but really no matter how much you like Thai culture, if you do, please don't take on "thai ways" re dog care.

I see my neighbors, letting their dogs out of their very larged fenced-in yards everyday, to freely cruise around the area, I think because maybe they think it is better to have their dogs poo somewhere they won't have to clean. To me, this is the same as letting a 3 year old kid out to roam for a couple of hours. There are so many hazards out there. Besides the traffic, they may get into dog fights, will surely be making unwanted puppies if he is not fixed, poison is sometimes laid out to get rid of some of the soi dogs, sometimes they eat rotten dead things/old garbage which can make them very ill, as well as that especially with a purebred dog, people will view him as valuable, for any number of things.

If you don't like to walk with your dog, you can play ball and other games with him to give him some exercise and stay on your own property, and also if your dog lives with other dogs, they can get plenty of exercise playing with their pals.

exactly my thoughts... unthinkable for me to let one of my 52 dogs roam around outside the garden freely... seeing dead dogs on the road all the time. also here on samui there are people who love barbecued dog meat... why would i spend so much money and effort for care of the dogs and then let them wander around to get killed, poisoned, injured, infested with flea and ticks, causing accidents with horrible consequences etc? i really love my dogs and want them to live and their company for longer.

good advice on this thread anyway

[Tywais]

Just an update. Jedi is back to his normal playful self now and his leg is healing well but still looks nasty. He is no longer allowed outside without being accompanied. This is the damage inflicted upon him by the individual(s).

[November Rain]

Poor boy! I'm glad he's starting to get back to his old self, now, Tywais.

[Nienke]

Just an update. Jedi is back to his normal playful self now and his leg is healing well but still looks nasty. He is no longer allowed outside without being accompanied. This is the damage inflicted upon him by the individual(s).

Wow, that was really bad! I'm glad he's much better. Do you notice any difference in his behavior, when you go for a walk during the day, during the evening/night, when you pass a certain spot, etc.? This must have been a quite traumatic experience for Jedi. Poor dog!

Nienke

[elhdee]

I know for a fact Goldens are stolen for breeding/to order here in HH. I get regular calls from distressed owners hoping against hope that their dog has run away or even got injured & we have taken it in. It's heartbreaking to have to tell them it's virtually a dead cert that their dog was stolen & they won't see it again. So sad. Glad yours escaped that fate, Tywais!

Thanks November. Ours is 4 years old now and my wife used to hire him out for breeding. A successful litter fetched 5,000 Baht! Talked to the wife about perhaps we should consider neutering him now because that has been the driving force for him to wonder too far - females in heat. Any thoughts?

Although, I'm not in favor of spay or neuter pet dogs for health reasons, IF the dog or bitch is closely supervised and/or always in an enclosed area.

From what I understand from your mails your dog has enjoyed on several occasions the freedom at the other side of your fence. He will certainly try again when he gets a chance again, especially when he smells a female in heat. Therefore I suggest to neuter him. Further, a neutered dog is much less interesting for thieves, I assume.

And breeding alone for the money is certainly something I do not favor.

But best of all, is to keep your dog inside your garden and keep your gate locked, because I know from dog owners where their dog was stolen out of the garden.

Just my two cents,

Nienke

[Jet Gorgon]

That was bad, Tywais. So glad it was not around his neck. I'm with NR and Nienke: please get him neutered. As he's a golden, I reckon you'll be out walking with him at least two hours a day. Hope you have a river or beach nearby.

[Globeliner]

Just an update. Jedi is back to his normal playful self now and his leg is healing well but still looks nasty. He is no longer allowed outside without being accompanied. This is the damage inflicted upon him by the individual(s).

A very nasty thing to happen. By 'Golden' I take he's a Retriever not a Labrador?

Keep your wits about you and don't let him out of your sight, My Golden Labrador ran onto the road and got hit by a pick-up, that sped off, was an almighty clump, i let him out of my sight for 5 seconds, this was about 6mths ago, he still limps.

All the best to yourself and Jedi...

[Tywais]

A very nasty thing to happen. By 'Golden' I take he's a Retriever not a Labrador?

All the best to yourself and Jedi...

Thanks for that, and yes he is a Retriever. Jet G, we have a pond near our house and he is escorted there now daily rather then off on his own. My wife and I are pretty busy with work but her sister is staying with us now and takes him for his walks. She knows now not to not let him out unsupervised.

[Jet Gorgon]

Fab! They do love fresh water swimming. Spoiled is good.